Japan Nuclear Plant Operator Says Finds Crack in Concrete Pit; Radioactive Water Leaking into Sea

[Hissyspit]

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Japan nuclear plant operator says finds crack in concrete pit at reactor no.2, radioactive water leaking into sea

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UPDATE 1-Japan finds radioactive water leaking into the sea at nuclear plant

Sat Apr 2, 2011 6:40am GMT
April 2 (Reuters) - The operator of Japan's quake-stricken nuclear plant said on Saturday it had found radioactive water leaking into the sea from a cracked concrete pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) officials said it was possible that the crack may be the source of recent radiation contamination in the sea off the northeast coast.

The radiation in the pit measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour. It was not clear whether the water had come from the reactor itself nor how much has been leaking from the pit into the sea.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director-general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told a separate news conference that TEPCO was planning to pour concrete into the pit to seal the crack.

Read more: http://af.reuters.com/article/metalsNews/idAFL3E7F203920110402

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[highplainsdem]

1. Here's the Reuters article/link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/02/japan-leak-idUSL3E7F117D20110402

Japan's TEPCO says radioactive water leaking into the sea at nuclear plant
April 2 | Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:16am EDT

April 2 (Reuters) - The operator of Japan's stricken nuclear plant said on Saturday it had found radioactive water leaking into the sea from a cracked concrete pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) said the radiation in the pit measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour.

-snip-

They're planning to pour concrete into the pit to repair it.

[TacticalPeek]

2. "preparing to pour concrete"

Drawing straws.

[tavalon]

9. Very sadly true

Shit

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. well they better do it quickly!!!

[robinlynne]

28. They could have sealed the entire thing off with concrete 3 weeks ago. But they didnt want

to lose the reactor, i.e. income. WOuld have saved a lot of lives.

[stockholmer]

50. they cannot entomb it until they stop the meltdowns

[robinlynne]

75. Couldn't they have entombed it 3 weeks ago?

[Taft_Bathtub]

65. You're speaking complete nonsense

They killed the reactors, i.e. income, when they poured salt water and boron all over them.

Do you even know how Nuclear Energy works?

[robinlynne]

74. no i don't. but The first week, they explained on public television plans A b and C.

And that they were trying other things first instead of cementing it immediately because cementing it would mean the loss of the plant. They were trying to save the reactor, when cementing it would have saved lives. No i don't understand any of it. But I trust the news I watch on BBC and hear on NPR.
they suggested, at the time, 3 weeks ago,that i the end they would need to do what they a re going to do now and that it would have been wiser to do it 3 weeks ago.

[TNLib]

92. You don't know what you are talking about!!!!

If they were able to stabilize the plant they would have salvaged whatever they could. The plant may have been inoperable but they would have salvaged everything and anything they could. I've worked at a power utility company and this is what they do. If they scrap one unit they salvage whatever they can for other plants and other units.

[grahamhgreen]

3. "radiation in the pit measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour". More info from AP

"TOKYO (AP) -- A Japanese nuclear official says highly radioactive water is leaking from a damaged nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean.

Nuclear safety spokesman Hidehiko Nishiyama says the air above the leak contains 1,000 millisiverts of radioactivity. Exposure to 500 millisiverts over a short period of time can increase the risk of cancer.

The water was seeping Saturday from a crack in the containment for a maintenance pit on the edge of the nuclear site.

The Fukushima Dai-ichi plant has been spewing radioactivity since it was hit by a tsunami three weeks ago."

[sce56]

34. 1,000 millisieverts per hour = 1 sievert per hour! Use the smaller number to make it look like no

big deal! 1 Sievert is DEADLY!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert
The unit gray measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed into any material. The unit sievert specifically measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed by a person. The equivalent dose to a person is found by multiplying the absorbed dose, in gray, by a weighting factor (w). The weighting factor (sometimes referred to as a quality factor) is determined by a combination of: the radiation type, the tissue absorbing the radiation, and other pertinent factors.<1>

In terms of SI base units:

1 Sv = 1 Gy • w (where Sv=sievert, Gy=gray, w=weighting factor specific to each type of radiation and tissue).
big deal!


1 Gy = 1 J / kg of absorbing material
therefore:

1 Sv = 1 J / kg of absorbing material • w


Dose examples Single dose examplesDental radiography: 0.005 mSv<4>
Average dose to people living within 16 km of Three Mile Island accident: 0.08 mSv during the accident<5>; maximum acceptable dose for the public: 1 mSv/year<6>
Mammogram: 3 mSv<4>
Brain CT scan: 0.8–5 mSv<7>
Chest CT scan: 6–18 mSv<7>
Gastrointestinal series X-ray investigation: 14 mSv<8>
International Commission on Radiological Protection recommended limit for volunteers averting major nuclear escalation: 500 mSv<9>
International Commission on Radiological Protection recommended limit for volunteers rescuing lives or preventing serious injuries: 1000 mSv<9>
Hourly dose examplesAverage individual background radiation dose: 0.23μSv/hr (0.00023mSv/hr); 0.17μSv/hr for Australians, 0.34μSv/hr for Americans<10><5><11>
Highest reported level during Fukushima accident: 1000 mSv/hr reported as the level at a pool of water in the turbine room of reactor two.<12><13><14>
Yearly dose examplesLiving near a nuclear power station: 0.0001–0.01 mSv/year<8><10>
Living near a coal power station: 0.0003 mSv/year<10>
Sleeping next to a human for 8 hours every night: 0.02 mSv/yr<10>
Cosmic radiation (from sky) at sea level: 0.24 mSv/year<8>
Terrestrial radiation (from ground): 0.28 mSv/year<8>
Natural radiation in the human body: 0.40 mSv/year<8>
Radiation produced by the granite of the United States Capitol building: 0.85 mSv/year<15>
Average individual background radiation dose: 2 mSv/year; 1.5 mSv/year for Australians, 3.0 mSv/year for Americans<10><5><11>
Atmospheric sources (mostly radon): 2 mSv/year<8><16>
Total average radiation dose for Americans: 6.2 mSv/year<17>
New York-Tokyo flights for airline crew: 9 mSv/year<11>
Smoking 1.5 packs/day: 13-60 mSv/year<15><16>
Current average limit for nuclear workers: 20 mSv/year<11>
Background radiation in parts of Iran, India and Europe: 50 mSv/year<11>
Elevated annual regulatory limit for workers during Fukushima emergency: 250 mSv/year<18>
Dose limit examples Criterion for relocation after Chernobyl disaster: 350 mSv/lifetime<11>
In most countries the current maximum permissible dose to radiation workers is 20 mSv per year averaged over five years, with a maximum of 50 mSv in any one year. This is over and above background exposure, and excludes medical exposure. The value originates from the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP), and is coupled with the requirement to keep exposure as low as reasonably achievable (ALARA) – taking into account social and economic factors.<19>
Public dose limits for exposure from uranium mining or nuclear plants are usually set at 1 mSv/yr above background.<19>
Symptom benchmarksSymptoms of acute radiation (dose received within one day):<20>

0 – 0.25 Sv (0 – 250 mSv): None
0.25 – 1 Sv (250 – 1000 mSv): Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.
1 – 3 Sv (1000 – 3000 mSv): Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.
3 – 6 Sv (3000 – 6000 mSv): Severe nausea, loss of appetite; hemorrhaging, infection, diarrhea, peeling of skin, sterility; death if untreated.
6 – 10 Sv (6000 – 10000 mSv): Above symptoms plus central nervous system impairment; death expected.
Above 10 Sv (10000 mSv): Incapacitation and death.
See also Radiation poisoning.

[moonbatmax]

47. I don't know

Without knowing what a Sievert is, most readers, I think, are more impressed with a number like 1000 than 1.

That does make it look a bit more serious, don't you think?

I will hit the Wiki page, though. I like learning new things, and the Sievert is a unit I hadn't encountered before. Thanks for the link!

[krispos42]

78. A dose of 6 or more Seiverts in a short span of time is quickly fatal.

I also believe it's 100% fatal.


So, it's bad.


This might help. It's from XKCD and he's pretty good with this kind of thing.

[DeadEyeDyck]

88. Barlet Engineering is hiring

Looking for a quick buck? Have some engineering background or project management skills and a passport? They are sending engineers and techs to Japan to help with the crises.

You can be assured you will receive your limit of occupational exposure. Since you are not in the US, I don't know if you are held to 10CFR20 limits or something else.

Good money.
Any takers?

[pam4water]

87. It means if you are in there for 5 hours you are dead for sure. The 1/1000 is to show how little

radiation the human body can tolerate.

[daleo]

54. A full work day there would be one's last day. n/t

[Devil_Fish]

76. I know, Why don't the say it's leaking .000001M Sv per hour? That should calm some nerves. NT

[Scottybeamer70]

4. Oh, I'm sure

it's nothing to worry about.......move along......nothing to see here.

[4saken]

5. Let's just hope this is the only spot contaminating the seas so directly.

Well at least they found this one. :thumbsup:

[No Elephants]

6. Concrete way overdue.

[caseymoz]

24. Right, problem is . . .

. . . it's not easy to put concrete under concrete while working in a radioactive area. Plus, unlike Chernobyl, it's right next to the Ocean. It wouldn't be much to seep right into there, and trying to put up a solid, stable concrete structure to stop it is an engineering challenge on a huge scale.

Also,with Chernobyl, you had an authoritarian regime that could draft 800,000 people and could spread out the dosage for most of them, that is, have them work only a few hours or a day in the radiation before retiring them and rotating others in. In Japan, you don't have that kind of regime. You have to ask for volunteers, or send the army in under orders, but the army isn't large enough. So, who's going to volunteer? Despite their Kamikaze heritage, I don't think they'll get that many, and it'll be done by people who are mostly unskilled at the task.

Not only that, at Chernobyl you had one reactor and it took 800,000 people. In Japan, you have four. So, let's say they're more economical. Can they move nearly 3 million workers in and out of there to do the job, and pay for their medical expenses afterward?

Japan's not going to be able to do this on its own, if it can even be done. Make no mistake, this is a huge catastrophe, and the whole world had better wake up to it and help. Especially those on the Pacific, like the US.

[kristopher]

36. +1

[gateley]

41. I agree - I think this is a disaster. I don't understand why so many people paint

it as insignificant (at least to us in the US). I may be worrying about the worst case scenario (whatever that might be!) but others are cheerily focusing on the best case, minimal impact scenario. Both sides are probably wrong - it's probably somewhere between the two. But I swear, it keeps getting worse every day. :(

[radhika]

44. Thank you for the photo of Nabbous...

I was not aware of him before. I Wiki'd the name and found out about his life and alas, death during the 2nd battle of Bengazi. The WaPo covered it, I later found out. The Wiki also included a Livestream link to the Libya Alhurra TV, the station he founded. I am adding these links for the benefits of other DU-ers like me who may not have this information.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/libyan_citizen_journalist_mohammed_nabbous_killed_in_fighting_in_benghazi/2011/03/21/AB2rcA8_blog.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Nabbous

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya_Alhurra_TV

[gateley]

45. I became aware of him shortly before he was killed. I think it was joshcryer, in

his excellent coverage of the Liibyan situation (along with pinboy3niner) that had a link to "Mo's" live broadcasts. I couldn't believe I was watching someone reporting in real time what was going on!

After he was killed, I couldn't bear to watch the videos, but the little I saw of him touched my heart and humbled me, so I wanted to always remember what this is about if I should become impatient or concerned about us "getting involved" again.

Here's joshcryer's thread from today -- excellent coverage:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=792681&mesg_id=792681

He has a very touching tribute to Mo on it, too -- that's where I got his picture from.

[caseymoz]

67. The radiation to our coast so far isn't too much a threat.

The fallout isn't bad so far, but will worsen.

And if plutonium or cesium is is transplanted through to ocean or through the ecosystem it will get far worse. So, how do you get our leaders to look at this squarely as the massive catastrophe it's soon going to be if they don't something? I don't know how. I don't know how to get their attention, or what measure they should call for.

I'll take it as given that nothing is going to happen until the Japanese start dying of radiation in mass numbers, a large section of Tokyo has to be permanently evacuated, and the Japanese government announces it can't handle the problem. You talk about losing face.

[bvar22]

77. Those people who considered the Worst Case Scenario....

....when the scientists and engineers were saying its A-OK to build Nuclear Power Plants on active faults
.....those "Luddites",
those Anti-Science people,
those ignorant people obstructing progress,
those people saying "Wait a minute...that stuff is DANGEROUS,"

...Those People have been PROVED correct.

The scary part is that ONE LESSON that CAN be learned from TMI, Chernobyl, and now Fukushima,
is that It Will Happen Again,
no matter how many times the people "who KNOW science" assure us that it can't happen.

As long as we are using Nukes, It WILL happen again!

...but thats OK.
because it is ONLY a little more radiation added to ALL the OTHER radiation you are exposed to every day.

[aquart]

52. We are helping. That's what the Putzmeisters are for.

[robinlynne]

29. profits over life, once again. i've been saying that for 3 weeks. seal it up!!!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. pfft! you enviro wackos act as if this something to worry about

[slay]

8. K&R

wind solar water.

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. "pour concrete to seal the leak" that's making the "burning" "radioactive puddles"

"last-ditch Chernobyl style containment" is the phrase that comes to mind after decoding from PR speak to real life danger. These kinds of PR frames are not beneficial to the public in times of total disaster.

[PCIntern]

11. It's as though you dumped 50 bananas into the water...

or some such crap. :sarcasm:

Well, those of us who were pessimists KNEW something was not quite right...oh, and YOO-HOO, where are all you folk defending the industry and parsing every word? Quiet these days...oh well, they'll have to go back to supporting things like having surreptitious cameras in unwitting people's homes.

[jimlup]

13. Not to be flipant but this

has been obvious for several days if not longer. The radioactivity being detected in the seawater several days ago didn't just get there by magic.

[PCIntern]

14. It might have been the stone houses or radiation from watch-dials...

:sarcasm: of course...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. 24/7 Live stream News with english translation from Japan

scroll down

http://www.globale-evolution.de/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=22523#p22523

[JJW]

16. Dumb as a fence post, Reagan dead wrong

Tree hugging hippies, absolutely correct.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. TEPCO sez, "We just wish we could have our lives back!"

They should make the CEO run the concrete vibrator. And maybe do a slump test on him after the pour.

[Tesha]

21. My guess is they'd find him too watery.

In the form of a sudden yellow puddle underneath
his pants legs.

Tesha

[Hubert Flottz]

91. I don't know if he'd pass a break test but I'd say that before this is

resolved(if ever)he won't be able to pass the broke test.

The reactor is set on "Drill Baby Drill" and that "clean energy" is radiating around the big blue marble as I type.

The think tank that the plans for this monster came out of really had their heads up their collective asses.

[barbtries]

18. i have to kick this

i have been searching the web since the wee hours trying to find this story. here's the link to cbs news: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/02/501364/main20049958.shtml?tag=stack

it is huge. and i want to know more. i don't want to hear another story about how much radiation i get on a normal day, or on an international flight. i want to know the true implications of THIS.

[Raschel]

31. Look, according to the experts around here you just don't know enough about science.

So don't make comments about matters too weighty for you, just sit back and let it unfold.

:sarcasm:

[barbtries]

42. it's not just the people on DU

just the other day listening to NPR for about 10 minutes they had a guest doing nothing but explaining that people are exposed to radiation in their daily lives. okay, i'll buy that. how much of that radiation comes from a crippled nuclear power plant?! my son and his children surf in the pacific ocean several times a week. what are the odds that they may ever be sickened by the radiation spewing into that same ocean from japan right now? this is not panic, this is concern. and it is justified, and the PTB have certainly proven to my satisfaction that when it comes to telling people the real deal, whether it be the spill in the gulf, the human toll from hurricane katrina, who knows what else, they will lie, they will obfuscate, they will dither, they will cover up, they will spin spin spin.

all i want is the truth. obviously there is a massive catastrophe going on. let's get real. if it's no threat because of our great distance from the plant, fine. what about the people there? what are the odds, just what are the odds, that tokyo and its millions of people are threatened, really threatened by the fallout from this disaster? etcetera.

it's one thing to be helpless to do anything to change or ameliorate the situation. i don't want to be ignorant as well.

[marions ghost]

80. +++++

for the truth

[paparush]

19. A leak, that's dumping deadly poison into the sea. Why does that sound familiar?

[Thegonagle]

26. But, my friends, the ocean is self-healing, and the radioactive half-life of this particular

natural element is a mere fraction of a percent of the nuclear fuel itself, which is still high and dr--that is, safe and sound, well above sea level. Folks, we are safe from this disaster--so there's a few hundred plant workers, currently stockpiling the overtime pay for their precious families, who will be at a negligibly increased risk of cancer, but the number of people who have died as a direct consequence of a nuclear power plant is zero.

So, that was my right-winger-on-the-radio impression. I'm astonished by how easily I came up with that jibber jabber B.S., but not so astonished that a few people take millions a year to make it sound convincing to their targets.

[Sabriel]

30. You forgot that radioactivity is diluted by sea water

Or so that's the BS I'm told, both here on DU and in the MSM.

[MisterP]

38. that's because industry and Randroid propaganda have saturated US culture

to the point where they're assumed by people to be common opinions (even if 70% of Americans would deem them diabolically amoral)
though they build on several traditions like Calvinism and the idea of the "frontier"

[Moostache]

48. Because its another "profits-over-people" decision...

Just like BP and the oil spill or the Citizens United Supreme Court buy-off or any number of Wall Street related actions and decisions in the last 30 years.

Face it, people DO NOT MATTER to those in power and responsible for writing and enforcing the laws of the land.
Money talks, everything else walks. End of discussion.

Because clean energy requires (*GASP*) funding for research and development; and because it can cut into the inflated gross revenues of anyone in the energy producing business (actually its a racket and they are racketeers, but I digress), it must therefore be marginalized and ignored and made to seem insignificant as long as there is one more dollar of profit to be squeezed out of the existing system.

Change is pain and we are in the most pain adverse society in history....ironic that our steadfast self-denial and delusions of eternal growth in a finite system will eventually lead to more pain than almost any of us can yet imagine. Yet.

[enough]

20. Link to fairly long NYT article that went up half an hour ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/asia/03japan.html?_r=1&hp

[plumbob]

40. From the NYT article: the "crack" is 8 inches wide! Some crack.

"Plant workers discovered a crack about eight inches wide in the maintenance pit, which lies between the No. 2 Reactor and the sea and holds cables used to power seawater pumps, Japan’s nuclear regulator said."

Are we pretty close to deciding this is a hole in the bottom?

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. I heard that 8" quote on the news this morning and thought, "8 inches is considered a CRACK?"

I don't think so! How about an 8 inch GAP in the cement? I just LOVE how the MSM (except MSNBC who actually reported the TRUTH about this so-called crack) likes to minimize this stuff. "Miniscule amounts" When ANY amount is NOT good and now an 8 inch gap is characterized as a crack. :eyes:

[NobleCynic]

22. Are any of these isotopes the type that organics are likely to absorb?

Will this move up the food chain or will they sink to the ocean floor and have minimal effect?

[JesterCS]

32. just use corexit! it fixes everything *sarcasm* n/t

[aquart]

53. Let me put it this way. An organic farmer has already committed suicide.

[LiberalEsto]

23. Oh well, we didn't need the Pacific Ocean anyway

Or the Gulf of Mexico, for that matter,

We've still got the Atlantic and Indian oceans.

:shrug:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. yeah, its not as if they all flow into each other or anythiing

:puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Oh, give them time, they'll destroy those too!

Not to worry. :grr:

[Stuart G]

25. What can one say???

[tblue37]

27. The world actually has only one ocean. We just identify

the several sections of the World Ocean as separate, for our own referencing convenience. They are all hooked together, though.

[sce56]

35. I was planing on cruising the Pacific ocean in my retirement now looks like it wont be healthy!

[Taft_Bathtub]

60. You'll be fine

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/02/world/asia/assessing-the-radiation-danger.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.mc_id=WO-SM-E-FB-SM-LIN-ATR-040211-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

[kristopher]

37. My usual 4 words fail me.

"Duct tape and epoxy" just isn't going to cut it this time...

[Brother Buzz]

39. Junk Shot, go for the Junk Shot!

[marions ghost]

81. Top Kill, Top Kill! I say, bro

and put a few Blow-out Preventers on it too while yer at it...haven't ya got some laying around since the 70's back in the yard?

:banghead:

[ladywnch]

43. I'm not understanding something here.... if this is capable, as has

been reported, of melting through concrete how does 'entombing' it in concrete protect anything?

Or am I mixing/confusing procedures together?

[onecent]

85. I have the same question Ladywnch, If it melts the concrete

how can they entomb it? Can anyone explain it to me in layman's terms? Thanks

[MissDeeds]

46. I grieve for the human toll

but also the poor innocent sea creatures who will suffer and die. What a tremendous tragedy.

[Taft_Bathtub]

61. What human toll?

No one has died.

[plumbob]

70. These people don't count? Why?

Japan Update 4/01: Death Toll 11,600 - Nuclear Crisis Worsens
April 01, 2011 01:25 PM EDT
5 people recommend this | comments: 8

The death toll from the Great Quake-Tsunami is officially reported to be 11,620 at 3:00 P.M. local time, April 1, 2011, an increase of 203. The number of missing has increased by 103 to 16,464. Total dead and missing now stands at 25,084. Taking into account overlap of the lists (about half the dead have been identified), the actual count of collected dead and persons reported missing by name and likely dead is probably somewhere between 21,000 and 24,000. As reported earlier, not all of the missing are in the missing list, because no one has reported them by name. Therefore, a not unreasonable estimate of a final death toll would exceed 30,000.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979180308

[Taft_Bathtub]

90. Because the nuclear plant didn't cause an earthquake/tsunami

Hope that helps.

[thereismore]

86. That is an ignorant comment. nt

[jwirr]

49. And no concrete building over top of it will help that problem. Between

the Gulf and those nukes our poor ocean is suffering. I just watched a film called Plan B. They are talking about global warming. It was before these nukes got out of control. I wonder if we have a plan C?

[stockholmer]

51. the attempt with the concrete failed (see link for breaking news)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4798176&mesg_id=4798176

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. Oh what a nightmare! n/t

[BillyJack]

55. Worse than Chernobyl....what a disaster!!!!

Humans would do well to harness the wind, the sun, and the water's energies.

That is quite a lot of power, just right there....and not much "mess".

[Taft_Bathtub]

59. Haha no it isn't

Not even close.

[redwitch]

62. Is it against the rules to call you obnoxious? nt

[Taft_Bathtub]

63. Please tell me why

It's pretty sad when being rational and not engaging in media-hyped hysteria is considered obnoxious.

[redwitch]

64. What media hype?

They are barely mentioning Fukushima, it's all Libya all the time. And there IS a human toll, how can you not see the severity of this accident?

[Taft_Bathtub]

66. Are you kidding?

The only thing I've heard on NPR, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Huffington Post has been Fukushima. Except for the Dog being saved after three weeks at sea, I haven't seen a story about the Tsunami or the Earthquake in the last week.

Who has died from this accident? 30,000 died three weeks ago from one of the worst natural disasters in human history, please show me a death from the Fukushima plant.

[redwitch]

68. You are right, you have totally convinced me.

It's no big deal and there will be no human toll from the meltdown of multiple nuclear reactors. No rising cancer rate, no contaminated, uninhabitable land or water. No problem at all.


Seriously though.
Do you think the brave souls in the plants trying to prevent further damage are just fine and dandy? True, they haven't died yet, thank God, they are still there doing their damndest to save their fellow countrymen, but they will die from their exposure to the radiation, of that I am sure.


And your flippant responses to others concerns are why I called you obnoxious.

[Taft_Bathtub]

69. Amazing how you know these things

Simply amazing, I did not know you are present at the nuclear plant to medically examine the workers and had the ability to see far into the future. I'm honored to be in your presence, perhaps you can tell me tomorrow's winning powerball numbers.

So far the only people that have been injured have been the workers who had their feet burned by the radioactive water. Will they get cancer? Maybe. Will they die from it? Maybe. Will other people get cancer? Maybe.

But to claim this is worse than Chernobyl, which actually killed people on site, is just laughable. To claim this is worse than Chernobyl, which actually had an explosion that sent burning reactor components into the atmosphere in large amounts, is just laughable.

Sorry if that's "obnoxious" to use science and rational thought to refute hysteria and sensationalism. I welcome your hate, the same way I welcome the hate of Teapartiers when I call them on their unfounded bullshit as well.

[redwitch]

71. That all of this makes you laugh says lots about you.

You welcome my hate? I don't hate you. But you really are obnoxious.

[Taft_Bathtub]

83. No just the hyperbole

[plumbob]

73. Amazing how YOU know these things. By your own analysis, I assume

you claim you are present at the nuclear plant to medically examine the workers and have the ability to see far into the future? You claim knowledge cannot be had any other way.

So you meet your own criteria, or are you just another parser of language for the purpose of insulting and diminishing people who are actually working to solve problems rather than trying to prove they don't exist in the context of language?

Please answer. You're either there and have first hand knowledge and therefore entitled to speak by your own analysis.

Or you're a laughable dumbass, same as anyone else not there by your own analysis.

Please indicate which so that this conversation can extend.

[Taft_Bathtub]

79. Really? Where do I say that?

I enjoy the strawman and the personal attacks though, they add very much to the conversation.

[plumbob]

82. Because you are simply exhibiting dishonest behaviors and will not

take responsibility for nor acknowledge the consequences of your own words, no further good can come from continuing this...well, whatever it is.

Have a nice life, breathe deeply, live long. Bye.

[Taft_Bathtub]

84. I have no idea what you are talking about

/shrug

[plumbob]

72. Got any theory as to where the actual source of all energy on this

planet comes from?

[glinda]

89. JFC block the sucker up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't take this anymore...

The poor sealife, animals, people.... wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: