Two injured in HMS Astute nuclear submarine shooting

[Bosonic]

Source: BBC

A man has been arrested after a shooting on board the nuclear submarine HMS Astute left two people injured.

Police were called at 1212 BST to Southampton docks where the vessel has been berthed since Wednesday as part of a five-day visit.

An eyewitness said he saw one person being stretchered off the submarine into a waiting ambulance.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13014640

[AtheistCrusader]

1. "Some Things In Here…Don’t React Too Well To Bullets…Ryan."

Hope everyone is ok..

[Blue_Tires]

4. Maybe the men just wanted to stay in Tahiti...

"The women are handsome ... and have sufficient delicacy to make them admired and beloved - The chiefs have taken such a liking to our people that they have rather encouraged their stay among them than otherwise, and even made promises of large possessions. Under these and many other attendant circumstances equally desirable it is therefore now not to be wondered at ... that a set of sailors led by officers and void of connections ... should be governed by such powerful inducement ... to fix themselves in the midst of plenty in the finest island in the world where they need not labour, and where the alurements of disipation are more than equal to anything that can be conceived."

[FailureToCommunicate]

5. So many great lines in that movie!

I have yet to tire of re-watching it!

[Diclotican]

7. AtheistCrusader

AtheistCrusader

The hunt for red october;).. I know that book, and movie, as I have read at least 4 copys of the book to death..

And Sean Connery do a hell of a job playing Ramus in that movie... The movie could not be that great, if he had not been in it.. As i don't really like the actor playing Ryan... I know a better actor to that job... But the movie was allmoust as good as the book...

Diclotican

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Update - one has died, other in 'life-threatening condition'

same link.

[nalnn]

3. Anyone remember

A while back (a few years ago) a girl serving on an HMS Cruiser was arrested for Herorine smuggling. Apparently she had been at it for a while and had it built up to where she could move several kilos at a time onboard. She went to jail.

[slackmaster]

6. Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is a warship!

:argh:

[Stuart G]

8. One Dead After Shooting on UK Nuclear Sub

Source: AP, Yahoo News..

LONDON – A British sailor aboard a nuclear-powered submarine apparently shot dead a crew member and seriously wounded another Friday while the vessel was on a goodwill visit to an English port, officials said.

The suspect was overpowered by colleagues and visiting dignitaries aboard HMS Astute and arrested on suspicion of murder.

Police and military officials said the incident was not related to terrorism, but offered few details about what may have prompted a sailor to open fire during a tour of the submarine by local officials, including the mayor of Southampton, in southern England.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110408/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_submarine

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You know....everyone needs to have a gun, yeppp...everyone, needs one...everywhere.............
and all the time...of course...

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[JohnnyRingo]

9. I'm shocked there was a firearm on board

I never served, but I thought that since the days of yore only the captain kept a sidearm locked up in his quarters (for obvious reasons). Even for security, guns are completely needless on a ship, since any criminals onboard are going nowhere and can be easily subdued and incarcerated. The last thing thay need on a ship is a shoot out.

Americans may hate gun control, but the Navy, both here and abroad, are firm on their rules.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. There is plenty of armed security keeping an eye on those nukes.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. I don't understand though

Protecting the nulear missiles from who? The crew? Hidden terrorists on board who will steal one and make off in a life raft? it's a warship in communication with the fleet. Even a Somali pirate would head the other direction for easier prey.

It's my belief rifle calibre weapons on a warship are useless for anything but mutiny, but like I said, I was never in the service.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. As already established, there are no nuclear missiles involved here

It's a nuclear powered submarine, not a nuclear-armed one. However, a nuclear reactor is still the kind of thing that needs guarding when you are in port. Especially when you're having an open day, and inviting members of the public on board. So they had armed guards, of whom the killer was one (perhaps he was the only one - I don't know).

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Well that would make more sense

They probably lock up weapons when underway, but I can see how a couple assault rifles might be needed in port.
I just thought it would appear ludicris to see seamen wending their way through a submarine a thousand miles from anywhere with a firearm. If a crew of a nuclear submarine ends up in hand to hand combat with an enemy, they probably already lost the battle.

Even so, a nucleat reactor is not a weapon. The fuel, though marketable, isn't weapons grade.

[BrightKnight]

10. Killing an active duty officer on a nuclear weapons platform

is treason regardless of the "motive."

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Not nuclear weapons - nuclear propulsion, with conventional armaments

and since it's being handled by Hampshire police, rather than Ministry of Defence police, and 'murder' is the grounds for arrest, I don't think they agree with you about 'treason'.

[BrightKnight]

17. They are keeping it cool. How a nuclear powered sub is armed is not public

information. I believe that we are to assume that any nuclear submarine has nukes at all times (regardless of how it is armed). Nuclear subs were not designed to clean swimming pools. I am guessing that you did not grow up during the Cold War.

[boppers]

19. "assume that any nuclear submarine has nukes at all times"?

Wayyyyyy off.

Most nukes are on land, under lock and key, and heavily tracked, not sitting on a boat or ship where they could be lost if the ship goes down.... they're too expensive to risk them that way.

[daleo]

20. I think British nukes are all submarine based these days. n/t

I suppose some might be stored on land, but all the launchers are sub based.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. I did grow up during the Cold War, and I guess you don't know much about submarines

or the British nuclear deterrent.

The only British nuclear weapons are the Trident submarine-launched ballistic missiles. This is not a Trident submarine. It cannot launch ballistic missiles. It is a hunter-killer submarine, designed to find and destroy ballistic missile submarines, or do general submarine duties (eg a hunter-killer submarine sank the General Belgrano in the Falklands conflict).

[BrightKnight]

24. It's a Tomahawk thrower and I am not losing sleep. - n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Exactly - the British have no nuclear warheads for Tomahawks

You don't need to lose sleep about it, just check the situation before you post, that's all.

[underpants]

12. Tough to plan a getaway right chap?

WOw that is scary

Motive is probably money or sex (not with each other).

[Corruption Winz]

13. Killing someone on a goodwill trip isn't ironic at all....

And that wasn't sarcasm, either.

[Leonardo Da Biker]

14. Of course there are guns

in the case of submarines because of the nukes on board. I don't know how they do things in the British navy but in the U.S. navy there are shotgun toting guards on the subs. When I was at Pearl Harbor I could board any ship I had friends on. Just walk right up the gang plank, show my I.D. to the officer on deck and ask to board, no problem on the smaller ships. Bigger ships like aircraft carriers or frigates had a marine guard detachment on board. I couldn't just board and go on my merry way. Whatever sailor I was visiting would have to come up on deck and sign me in. Not the subs. Nobody goes on them but their own crews, no visitors. When passing moored subs at the sub base you gave that gang plank a wide berth. I had no doubts anyone who didn't have any business there trying to get on a sub would be immediately blasted overboard. They are not kidding around.
Until we evolve to the point when we don't need nukes there will be guards with guns.

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15. "Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons"?