Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claim

[kpete]

Source: MSNBC

Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

By Michael Isikoff
National investigative correspondent
NBC News

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan defended his plan to redesign the government’s biggest health insurance plans on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday, saying it was necessary to avert a sovereign debt crisis.
Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.
Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/

[Botany]

1. Sadly it doesn't matter because in some people's ....

.... warped minds the notion that Obama isn't a real American lets them
get out of bed in the morning and go through their day w/out acknowledging
that a man who is black is POTUS.

The 2 Hawaiian papers that had President Obama's birth announcement had
some sort of heading that said all information published comes from the
Department of Health and the Health Department would have gotten that
information from the Island's hospitals. So for the birther conspiracy to work
somebody would have had to travel back in time and get to phone and call in
the accurate births for that day in the hopsital and a made up one for Barack
Obama.

I met a birther the other night and after 30 seconds I had to walk away ....
"Well, if he ain't got nothing to hide why can't he show us his ..... "

:banghead:

[Iliyah]

2. Also sad

that the tea brats in most part are focusing on this bullshit while their partners in crime are effing them with cuts that I know they reply on.

[DavidDvorkin]

4. "Tea brats" is a good name for them.

[yurbud]

7. the irony of the birther position: if Obama wasn't born here, that makes him smarter than any white

con man who has never attempted the same.

Their conspiracy theory undercuts it's own racist motive.

[No Elephants]

8. President Arthur wasn't white? (Never say never.)

"Chester Alan Arthur was the son of Irish-born preacher William Arthur (born in Cullybackey, Ballymena, County Antrim) and Vermont-born Malvina Stone Arthur. Malvina's grandfather, Uriah Stone, fought for the Continental Army during the American Revolution and named his son, Malvina's father, George Washington Stone. Malvina's mother was part Native American.<2>:4 At the time of the birth of the future president, Arthur's father was an Irish subject of the United Kingdom of Scottish descent, who naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1843.<3>

Arthur's restored ancestral home from the late 18th Century is in County Antrim in Northern Ireland. An interpretive center at the cottage tells the story of the Arthur family, and provides visitors with demonstrations of life in Ireland over the last 200 years.<4>

Most official references list Arthur as having been born in Fairfield in Franklin County, Vermont on October 5, 1829. However, some time in the 1870s Arthur changed it to 1830 to make himself seem a year younger.<2>:5<5> His father had initially migrated to Dunham, Lower Canada, where he and his wife at one point owned a farm about 15 miles (24 km) north of the U.S. border.<2>:4 There has long been speculation that the future president was actually born in Canada and that the family moved to Fairfield later. If Arthur had been born in Canada, some believe that he would not have been a natural-born citizen (interpreting the law to mean that to be a natural-born citizen one must be born on U.S. territory) and would thus have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president. During the 1880 U.S. presidential election a New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, was hired to explore rumors of Arthur's foreign birth. Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old. When that story failed to take root Hinman came forth with a new story that Arthur was born in Canada. This claim also fell on deaf ears.<2>:202–203 In any case, Arthur's father was not naturalized until some years after his birth, resulting in Arthur having a claim to dual citizenship."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur

[forty6]

14. I'd like Donald to time travel back in time to the point

just before Donald' mother slept with his father.

[libmom74]

3. The really ludicrous

thing is Donald Trump running for president.

[forty6]

15. You got that 100% RIGHT!!! n/t

[LaurenG]

5. The whole birther movement is just a distraction

for us and a way to make the president less desirable to the idiots they play too. Its really crazy how people like Trump know better but spin their bs for hit points on the president. :eyes:

[SoapBox]

6. Donald "Teh Crazy" Trump has gone WAY over the edge...

I can't believe what he's been saying...and when are the
big media really, REALLY gonna call him and the loons out
on this garbage?

But if he keeps up with this, the Dems/Libs/Progressives need
to make these crazy claims stick to him AND the RushThugs / T.HaterBaggers
like glue! Super glue!! And hammer, hammer, hammer that message onto them.

[octothorpe]

9. I don't understand what the "birthers" want.

I could have sworn I saw a copy of Obama's birth certificate at some point. In addition, aren't there snippets from news articles mentioning his birth?

[tammywammy]

10. They want an actual picture of his birth

With his mom laying spread eagle under a "Welcome to Hawaii" sign. Maybe that would prove it to them?

[NickB79]

11. They'd only accept it if Ronald Reagan was in the picture

Giving the camera a smile and a big thumb's up as Barack's head pops out.

[librechik]

17. Obama's legal birth certificate has been posted on the web

and newspapers reported the birth along with others in their births and deaths announcements, a feature of newspapers at the time which was free and reported by the paper, not the parents.
Trump's revival of the issue shows how out of touch he is--the issue had been thoroughky debunked, yet the Donald was surprised there even was an issue, and delighted that he could use it to boost his campaign.

[jmowreader]

18. They want something called a "vault copy" of his BC

This is what the state never releases. If you send the Hawaiian Department of Health $11.50 for a certified copy of your BC, you get the same thing the president has put on the Internet--a Certificate of Live Birth.

They claim the state of Hawaii will issue COLBs to people who weren't born in Hawaii but moved there from out of the country. This may be true today, but the people who issue these say that if you were born in Nairobi, Kenya, the place of birth block says "Nairobi, Kenya."

It's all fucking bullshit and as we all have figured out it's just a way for them to try to get the black guy out of the White House.

[Blasphemer]

20. Maybe FAUX news can send Geraldo Rivera into the vault

The ratings would be huge. Of course, the birthers would claim that the state of HI has had years to falsify a "vault copy".

[SharonAnn]

19. They want a white Republican to be president.

[MellowDem]

12. Poll after poll shows...

the majority of Repbulicans are birthers. Shows how extremist of aparty they have become.

[Ohio Joe]

13. The birther claims are not ludicrous

They are racist.

[RedCloud]

16. By Jove, if he is an African American, he must be African!