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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:44 PM Original message |
National Day of Prayer ruled constitutional |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Did not have the standing to do so? |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. No people can't do that. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. What about someone on the President's staff whose job it is to make arrangements for it? n/t |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I think that would be like a atheist being hired to do maintenance on a church. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I mean if the day of prayer was just PART of this person's duties. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Private organizations are not bound by the Constitution; government is. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. I know but I was trying to use an analogy however imperfect. |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. The outcome of my duties? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Always wondered what injury Bush* had in the Florida fiasco. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. He was being denied a job. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Wouldn't that make it a 'Presidential Day of Prayer', then? |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Lack of standing due to lack of injury. |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. It means that they couldn't demonstrate actual harm to them |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. The problem is that the definition of harm is so narrow |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. So who would have standing to contest the constitutionally of it? |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The President. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Fat chance. |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. Atheists aren't full citizens so of course they lack standing |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Religion as used by the PTB |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. You nailed it! Atheist & Agnostics are not respected or considered... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sweet. +10 points to my blood pressure. |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. let's all pray that the National Day of Prayer is a huge failure . . . n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
32. Pray every day other than the National Day of Prayer. That'll show 'em good! |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
11. What about forcing someone to participate? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. No. Court almost said as much. |
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4saken (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ruling not overturned because it's found to be constitutional? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
13. That is NOT a finding that it's "constitutional"; it's disputing the right of the claimants to sue |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Sometimes it's only a technical distinction without a single practical difference, though. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. That's not what the conservative followers are being told, though |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Bad Headline! They Didn't Rule Anything Constitutional, They Threw the Suit Out on a Technicality |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Yes, headline is legally wrong, but please see Replies 31 and 33. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. Constitutional or not, as a Catholic I find it to be bad religion to |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. Bad ruling. We should jettison this and the Prayer Breakfast as well |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
17. They didn't rule it constitutional. They ruled that they didn't have jurisdiction. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Exactly. The CBS headline is bullshit |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. yeah frickin mainstream media |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Yes...but that's not the whole story. Please see Replies 31, 33 and 35. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. The headline is not "legally" wrong |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. No, they ruled plaintiffs did not have standing. That's different from saying a |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
18. ooops... I recced this by accident |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. Separation of Church and State? In this country? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. The Government should have zero to do with religion.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
27. Then, a National Day of "No Prayer" should also be Constitutional -- !! |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
29. Harry Truman (D) signed this law in 1952 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Reagan signed this law in 1988 and Obama defended it in 2011. Please see Reply 33. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
38. When there's a national atheist day, I wonder if those people challenging it will have standing? |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Isn't every non-national prayer day atheist day?! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. Well..... |
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astral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. How does having a Nat'l Day of Prayer harm anybody who doesn't want to pray? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. It's none of the government's business who prays and who doesn't. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. So when is the National Day of Sacrilege? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. When is the National Day to prey? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
51. Don't worry -- Obama will find a way to cancel it, just like he does every year. |
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