White House releases Obama birth certificate

[Modern_Matthew]

Source: CNN

(CNN) – The White House released President Obama's original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.

In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday, Trump repeated his doubts and said he had been told the certificate was "missing."

A new CNN investigation revealed earlier this week what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/

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How long until they call it a forgery?

[chelsea0011]

1. 3...2...1...

[caseymoz]

111. I think this is part of his middle-of-the-road effort.

The White House had probably concluded that the issue was preventing him from picking up votes he otherwise would have from some of the rather conservative things he is doing. So, he swallowed his pride and had this released. It did hurt his credibility, though it should have hurt the credibility of the Birthers.

Plus, he knew after CNN pulled the shenanigans it did in both totally debunking and lending credence to Birther theories, that the rest of the news organizations would stay equivocal just for ratings and readership.

And it now makes a lot of Republicans look very foolish, especially if Democrats cooperate and don't let them forget this.

Despite my first point, we should do that.

[Spinny Liberal]

124. Queen Carnival Barker Orly

thinks Obama is using a bogus social security number. She should just admit it already. She and other birthers can't stand and can't believe that a black guy was elected POTUS. Own the racism.

[ck4829]

2. Why does Obama want to satisfy the birthers? He should milk this for as long as he can.

[yardwork]

6. I agree. I was hoping that Trump would bankrupt himself again.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Perhaps it was starting to affect his reelection polling

[No Elephants]

19. Maybe among folks who'd never vote for him anyway?

[Freddie Stubbs]

55. It must have been growing traction with swing voters, otherwise he wouldn't have done this

[No Elephants]

57. I never said "Republicans."

[Bodhi BloodWave]

137. I'm quite in awe at your ability to read minds, could you please teach me how to do it? n/t

[cstanleytech]

18. Actually this does more to discredit them

and the rest of the extremist fruit loops that claim to be member of the mad (crazy) tea party.

[peace frog]

35. Exactamundo

Obama should have let them go on and on and on with teh crazy, to their grievous detriment. He just keeps bailing them out! Incredible.

[Zorra]

53. Makes Trump look like a big fool as well. nt

[nichomachus]

65. Not really

He will claim that he is the one who forced Obama to release it, and the teapeople will swallow it whole.

[No Elephants]

106. He has already claimed it several times today--in NH, no less.

[maddogesq]

74. Look like a big fool?

HE IS ONE!!!!

I mean, my gawd, this publicity seeking shithead (no ref. to his hairstyle) lost billions, only to be propped up by rich bankster buddies. Why anyone watches his TV shows is beyond me.

[RaleighNCDUer]

54. Of course it does - which means those crazies will now look to get

behind a more viable candidate instead of wasting their time and money supporting someone who cannot possibly win.

This move does not weaken Trump. It strengthens Pawlenty.

[stanwyck]

110. Agree. They're hung on their own petard. Totally discredited. nt

[TheEuclideanOne]

119. Their biggest problem is needing another metaphor for NIGGER

The beautiful thing for them is that it is much more politically correct to say "He was born in Africa" than to say "Get the nigger out of the whitehouse". I wonder what they will use now? They will probably stick with their current position. My prediction is that polls will not change at all.... okay, maybe they will go down by .5 percent.

[freshwest]

132. You got a point there. Transferring racial bigotry to place of origin bigotry, claiming lawbreaking.

You're right about it not changing the numbers, either. Too bad for the poor sucker being courtmartialed.

They gave up on their 'soft on terror' game when he said there would be no war on Iran, after he didn't pull the troops out of Afghanistan even though he has consistently resisted attacking Iran.

But they've still 'communist, atheist, christian liberation theology racist radical and muslim' in their bag of bigot tricks.

For the left, there's the accusation of being a warmonger and being 'in bed with the banksters.'

How 'paralyzingly dull, boring and tedious...'

[Shadowflash]

23. I agree

It makes them look like the fools they are and having them frothing at the mouth about this at election time would have been a plus.

[pstokely]

33. to take that issue away from them?

?

[trud]

83. yes, too bad he released it. n/t

[aggiesal]

96. Maybe to prove how racist they actually are? Just asking ...

Now they're going to question his school transcripts?

WOW

[Spinny Liberal]

125. I heard a theory on DK

that it wasn't about placating them, but showing them what fools they really are. He is milking it because they still don't believe he's legit. Orly thinks he is using a bogus SSN.

[aggiesal]

136. I agree with you, but this won't shut them up, ...

Look at Trumpethead, he now brought up his school transcripts,
and wanting to know how he first got into Columbia(?), then
into Harvard.

Forget the fact that he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review,
and got straight-A's.

He's a black man taking up a white man's slot.

It's all about race.

[Spinny Liberal]

138. You're right

They're finding all kinds of "errors" on the Birth Certificate and say it's a fake. No pleasing them because it's all about getting the black guy out of the white house.

[patricia92243]

3. What they are showing on CNN is the same thing they have had all along????? Certificate of Live

Birth. I think the birthers want some other sort of document. Could be wrong on this.

[CreekDog]

7. they arent

this has more info

[shanti]

112. this is the "long form"

bc that they baggers have been clamoring for.

[oberliner]

4. Photo is posted here

Wonder if this will shut them up:

http://twitpic.com/4q47pm

[Lasher]

98. No, this won't shut them up. Read the comments at the site you linked.

Birthers seek questions, not answers.

[Hosnon]

5. Oh I wish I had the day off today! nt.

[Bragi]

9. Long overdue

I can't believe the White House waited this long to release the original long form certificate.

Given that it (I assume) shows nothing amiss, and given that the absence of this document has allowed the stupid birther controversy to infect a lot more people than should have been the case, this is absolutely the right thing to do.

Sure, the hard core birthers may not be satisfied, but releasing this will no doubt satisfy any reasonable person that the whole controversy is idiotic.

[gaijinlaw]

17. Pretty sure that "any reasonable person" has been of this opinion for a long time now.

It'll be interesting to see if there's any appreciable shift in the numbers when another "Where was he born?" poll is taken.

[Bragi]

101. I agree. Let's see what the polls do

I predict belief that Obama was not born in the U.S will go way down, as it should.

[SkyDaddy7]

22. So, will all white POTUS going forward have to do the same thing? nt.

[No Elephants]

41. I hope so. We should have been requiring it all along for pres. and vp. It's a

Constitutional requirement for President.

And it's not only a race issue. Check Chester A. Arthur's wiki..

[SkyDaddy7]

45. They already do!! Presidents have Passports...

And you don't get that without LEGAL PROOF of citizenship! The next POTUS will not have to do this & EVERYONE KNOWS IT! So, I honestly wish the Press would call this what it is RACISM!

BTW- I am a white Southern Male & I know many birthers & they are disgustingly racist!

[ronnie624]

79. *

:thumbsup:

[No Elephants]

92. Where to begin?

1/ What Presidents have is beside the point. The Constitution says you cannot BE President unless you are a "natural born citizen."

Do you really want to find out only AFTER an election or, worse, after an inauguration or, maybe worst of all, after a President dies in office (and a V.P. is not a "natural born citizen")? What do you do then? Start primary season all over?

Hence, every CANDIDATE for President or V.P. should have to produce proof. (Tho' I forgot to add, a COLB, which Obama did produce, suffices.)

2/ Passports are also beside the point. So is "legal proof of citizenship."

The Constitution says "natural born citizen," not merely "citizen." That is why where and to whom Obama was born matters, ditto Chester A. Arthur (and John McCain-- Congress passed a law saying McCain was a citizen, but a law does not trump the Constitution). It's also why Ahnuld could not run for President, even though he is a citizen.

Remember, this started when a British paper interviewed one of Obama's Kenyan relatives and claimed she said she had witnessed his birth in Kenya. (I've seen the video. The reporter lied.)


3/ "So, I honestly wish the Press would call this what it is RACISM!"

Where have you been? I've seen and heard many in media calling it racism. However, since it IS a Constitutional requirement and was also an issue with Chester A. Arthur and John Mc Cain, that I know of--maybe others, too--it is, as I said, NOT ONLY a race issue.

BTW- I am a white Southern Male & I know many birthers & they are disgustingly racist!

I have no doubt and I'm sure it's also true in other parts of the U.S., but do you understand how the words "not only" affect my statement?

[JDPriestly]

107. Actually, as I recall, McCain was the candidate who admitted to

being born out of the US. Now, I think he was still a natural born US citizen because he was born to parents who were both citizens. I do not think that the location, the country in which you are born makes any difference. My two children were born while my husband and I lived abroad. They have certificates that show they are citizens born abroad.

[Redford]

127. I remember

when Al Gore was running for president he was considering picking a Puerto Rican governor as a running mate. The guy was born in Puerto Rico and was ineligible because being born in a commonwealth was unacceptable to the constitutional requirement.

[JDPriestly]

129. But was Gore's vice presidential pick born to a parent who was an

American citizen?

[No Elephants]

147. Not sure what you're contradicting, or why. Who admitted something first is irrelevant.

I was responding to a post saying, "So, I honestly wish the Press would call this what it is RACISM!"

While I recognized that a lot of this re: Obama IS about race, my only point in mentioning McCain, who looks as white as can be, was that racism against a person of color is not the ONLY possible reason to be concerned with where and to whom a Presidential (and VP) candidate was born.

What was relevant, given what I was responding to, was that McCain's "natural born" US citizenship had been an issue when he ran, even though racism seems to have had nothing to do with McCain's "natural born" US citizenship having been an issue when he ran.
(IMO, Congress's passing a law about one lone person's citizenship indicates the existence of an issue.)

In the context of the comment to which I was responding, who did or did not mention something first was irrelevant. Moreover, as we know, candidates often strive to mention potentially damaging things first--and/or write tell all autobiographies-- before running--as a strategy.

"Now, I think he was still a natural born US citizen because he was born to parents who were both citizens."

Maybe, but I don't know if the Supreme Court has ever said anything like that. And this thread is about Obama, only one of whose parents was a U.S. citizen and who was born in the U.S. Whether McCain is actually a "natural born" US citizen or not has nothing to do with that or with my post about motivation. And, unless McCain runs again, is moot anyway.


I do not think that the location, the country in which you are born makes any difference.

? The Supreme Court that has said being born in a country has always been accepted by every nation on earth as conferring "natural born" citizenship, so the country in which you are born makes a huge difference for purposes of deciding whom the Constitution permits to be President.

Perhaps you meant that, in your opinion, while place of birth confers "natural born" citizenship, place of birth is not the only path to "natural born" citizenship?

"My two children were born while my husband and I lived abroad. They have certificates that show they are citizens born abroad."

Yes, but, their certificates do not say they are "natural born citizens" for purposes of becoming President. As my prior post indicated, the two are not necessarily the same.

Now, IMO, as in yours, your sons are "natural born citizens," but the only dispositive opinion on this matter would be the majority opinion in a Supreme Court case.

But, again, this thread as a whole is about a President with only one U.S. parent who was born in the U.S. and my post was about whether or not racism is the only possible reason to be concerned with where and to whom a Presidential (and VP) candidate was born. So, we've gone very far afield.

Cheers.

[sinkingfeeling]

108. There is NO Constitutional requirement to prove anything in order to be president. It's the law of

the land and you insist that we need more 'proof'.

[No Elephants]

148. You're mistaken on both counts, sinkingfeeling.

1/ If a law sets a condition or a requirement, like being 16 before you are entitled to get a student permit to learn to drive,it is definitely also understood that you may have to prove you are 16 if you seek that privilege, esp. if a question arises. And the Constitution DOES set a few requirements for the Presidency.

2/ Not only did I never "insist" that we need more proof, I expressly said that candidate Obama had provided sufficient proof when he produced a COLB.

[SkyDaddy7]

141. Basically all you are calling for...

is stuff that is already done. There was no question whatsoever at anytime about Obama's citizenship or where he was born, period. The Clintons knew this & that is why they did not push the issue because we know for sure she would have! So did the press!

You are acting as if the major candidates for POTUS are not thoroughly investigated by not only the press but most of all their opponents, they are!

A foreign born individual has ZERO chance of getting far in Presidential election. That is just reality.

And yes passports do matter because in order to get one you must present your birth certificate or certificate of live birth & it shows where you were born...If you are simply a "citizen" then that will be public knowledge.

The only video I have ever seen is President Obama's Grandmother saying, "Obama is a son of the village" & folks tried to say the translation meant Obama was born in the village. If you know of a video in which a family member is on tape saying they witnessed his birth like I have heard people on the right claim I would love to see it...Not that it matters because we know those people, Obama's relatives in Kenya are very proud & just want to claim how close they are to him. We have the proof of where he was born even if 200 people in Kenya claimed they witnessed the birth.

The ONLY reason this was an issue here in the US was RACE! And I know it does not end here. The folks on the Right are already claiming this is not his "Birth Certificate" because it says "Certificate of Live Birth" so on & on it will go!!

[No Elephants]

150. Um,, as to Obama, I never called for ANYthing.

Read your own Reply 22. You asked if we will require this of white Presidents. I replied that we should. Unless you consder Obama white, you should have understood my reply applied only to future Presidents (future Presidents of any hue, really, but, clearly, I was not referring to Obama).

Besides that, in my Reply 92, the very post to which you are supposed to be replying, I specifically said that the COLB candidate Obama had provided was sufficient. So, please tell me why you are "explaining" to me what I already said in Reply 92--namely, that Obama has already done enough?

Also in Reply 92, I said, again very specifically, that I had seen the video and the reporter lied about what Obama's Kenyan relative supposedly said. So, why on earth are you trying to prove to me that the video shows the reporter lied about what the relative supposedly said?

As for passports, AGAIN, yes, someone born overseas, like Ahnuld, can get a passport, if he has beome a citizen. And, yes, he has to show a birth cert. to get a passport, but birth cert. Ahnuld showed proved he was born in Austria. So, AGAIN, having a passport does not prove anything about birth in the U.S. If you don't get that after having it explained twice in writing, I have no idea why you still don't get it and I give up.

I also already covered your "racism is the ONLY possible motive to question a Presidential candidate about his birth" claims--twice, I think. You've yet to explain what racism had to do with McCain or Arthur or the requirements of Art. II, though, so we're just going in circles.

I see no point in my repeating any more of our prior posts to each other. Try reading posts with a moditum of care and thought before you reply to them on the basis of what you ASSUME a poster wrote. It's only fair to yourself and the other poster,

[Prof Lester]

28. There are no "reasonable" people in that crowd

That's the whole point. No reasonable person would have been sucked in by this crap in the first place. Lunatics by definition are unreasonable. It is vain to expect them to be magically cured by reasoning with them. They just hate African Americans.. period. They just hate Democrats.. period. No earthly power is going to change them.

[peace frog]

37. You got that right, bunky

Obama should never cave to the delusional wingnuts. By doing so, he gives them undeserved political cover.

[108]

39. maybe because he deserves the privacy

something no other President has made public before

[No Elephants]

94. Someone who runs for president deserves privacy as to something that is a public record?

I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but, in general, I don't believe anyone who runs for Presidentdeserves privacy as to anything that is a public record.

[LibertyLover]

70. Another site I like to read, one dedicated to conspiracy theories,

UFOs, etc., has posts about the long form release where the hard core birthers are already claiming that it is fake and a hoax. My Gods, you really can't educate the stupid. :argh:

[trud]

84. Bragi

It required that the Hawaii Dept. of Health change its policy. Obama himself did not have a copy before this.

[No Elephants]

97. So, when did the Hawaii Dept. of Health change its policy?

According to you, Obama ould not have gotten a copy, even now, without a change in the policy of the Hawaii Dept. of Health. So, when did the Hawaii Dept. of Health change its policy?

[trud]

114. read the article n/t

[No Elephants]

149. I read it. Now tell me when Hawaii changed its policy.

You said Obama could not possibly have made his long form cert. available sooner because of Hawaii's policy. That is untrue. Obama asked for an exception to the policy. He ould have asked for an exception whenever he wished.

Just to be clear, this has to do with your post. It has nothing to do with Obama. Obama long ago proved all he had to prove and more. I just like info to be accurate.

[skip fox]

134. Obama's lawyer has access! He paid for a lawyer to fly over and get

a copy.

Geez.

[Bragi]

102. Oh. That would change my view, for sure /nt

[No Elephants]

151. It's untrue, though Please see Replies 97., 149. and 134.

[stanwyck]

88. I think Obama played this perfectly. By waiting, the right has

hung themselves with their own rope. All those who supported the birthers - like Trump - are now exposed. This has taken the wind out of their sails. They're adrift.

[Mr. Sparkle]

10. FFS !!! they cave in on everything.

How long before the white house realizes that showing these loons his birth certificate is not good enough.

[GoCubsGo]

16. It won't be good enough for the core loons.

But, it SHOULD be enough for everyone else. They are the ones this is aimed at, not the loons. Too many sane people are buying into the conspiracy because the media has been harping on it. I don't see how the President has a choice at this point. If he lets it go any farther, it will end like John Kerry's "swiftboating". Hopefully, it hasn't already gone that far. I only hope the he gets up there and says, "Here is the goddamn birth certificate. Now, shut the fuck up and crawl back under your rocks, you America-hating lunatics." But, he won't. He's far too polite for that.

[Mr. Sparkle]

31. anyone who had doubts after the President released his birth certificate during the campaign

is a loon in my opinion. It is only the core right wing republicans who believe otherwise. And even after this release, they will still think it is a fake.

He should have never released his birth certificate and instead watch the right wing go crazy, right up to the election.

[NYC Liberal]

99. Here's the problem (and my first reaction was the same as yours):

Before the re-election campaign it was just a stupid non-issue even if it kept getting brought up all the time.

However, during the campaign you KNOW the media will bring it up as a 'question'. They will have whole shows dedicated to it. They'll innocently ask, "Is there SOMETHING to the claims Obama wasn't born here?" and then put some birthers on and give them a platform.

Remember Kerry and the Swift Liars. Yeah, they were nut jobs too...but thanks to the media it got turned into a "legitimate" story. Releasing the BC makes it MUCH harder for the media/Republicans to peddle this is a legitimate question.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

93. snuffing a false controversy is far from caving.

[Marrah_G]

11. Sigh- the birther morons will just claim its fake...........

[Modern_Matthew]

12. I ventured into Freeperville...they're already disputing it...

Calling it a CIA creation. Some were demanding to now see his college records (when did that become a requirement)...

Some are saying his race would've been listed as NEGRO back in 1961, rather than African.

Sigh. There's no winning with these people.

[gaijinlaw]

24. No. No there is not.

The less-crazy, more-cynical among them are outright admitting it:

To: DCBryan1

Goody.

Then we just “move the goal posts” hee hee hee

Where is your original passport? Where are your college records and financial aid info? etc.

28 posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:14:10 AM by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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I don't see the upside of this for Obama. Maybe his speech will explain his thinking, but Faux will twist that up into something sinister that their zombies will mindlessly parrot.

[MilesColtrane]

29. "Some are saying his race would've been listed as NEGRO back in 1961, rather than African."

They really are too stupid to read.

The box filled, AFRICAN is labeled "Race of Father".

[Modern_Matthew]

40. Yeah. There's not enough facepalms in the world. nt

[No Elephants]

52. I think their point may be "Africa" is a place, not a race. Plenty of white folk are born in

Africa (though the majority born in Africa is certainly non-white).

Then again, maybe I'm giving Freepers too much credit?

[Renew Deal]

48. This is why there was no point releasing it.

[crim son]

13. I think Trump's bullshit finally pissed Obama off.

Good; make him look like the uninformed/lying loser that he is.

[eggplant]

14. Just wait until there is a problem with the font

it couldn't possibly have been typed back in (whatever year he was born)!

just wait...

[highplainsdem]

15. Love Josh Marshall's TPM headline: "Birther Massacre at the Long Form Corral?"

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/04/birther_massacre_at_the_long_form_corral.php

[garthranzz]

20. Demand the long form!

It should be federal law that everyone must produce a certified, notified, ratified, long form birth certificate, with picture, before being allowed to vote, get a driver's license, hunt deer, elk or wooly mammoths, drink beer, watch a Disney animated film, enter a department store, play fantasy football or use a toilet.

[qanda]

21. Best response I just saw....

Unfortunately the people who want to see it can't read. LOL :rofl:

[mwb970]

25. They won't buy it.

It's missing a signature.
It's the wrong size.
It's the wrong thickness.
"Hawaii" is misspelled.
It was created on an Apple II.
The time is wrong.
It's the wrong color.
The seal is at an angle.
There is a smudge over a crucial word.
The paper is of the wrong kind.
There are variations in the ink color across the document.

(What did I miss?)

So this is what he paid that mysterious $5 million for - a not-so-clever forgery!

[ehrnst]

122. now they're claiming because his father wasn't a citizen....

He's still not eligble.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292205

[Yavin4]

26. The Birthers Won't Accept This As Proof Until...

Obama is no longer Black.

[No Elephants]

100. And/or no longer a Democrat. IMO, if he were an African American REPUBLICAN President,

the polls on where he was born would be very different.

[IDemo]

27. Placenta, umbilical cord still missing, believed to be on the run in Kenya

/sarcasm...

[Bragi]

32. Oh, did we say "birth certificate?" We meant "placenta."

A tweet this morning from @TabathaSouthey, a Canadian columnist.

[mulsh]

30. this merely shifts the meme to "they copied it from a book" and

"what took so long?" both of which I found in freeperville immediately after I read the story on TPM. Calvin Ball - it's not just in the comics. They're already moving on to question Mr. Obama's college and law school career.

BTW does this mean we're going to get to see the other side's candidates birth certificates ? College Transcripts?

[progressoid]

38. Yup. n/t

[Firebrand Gary]

34. Donald Trump cannot be running. He is like Palin with a penis.

[VaYallaDawg]

42. How do you know she doesn't have one?

Maybe we should demand to look.

[Dollface]

56. More like a blond Blagojevich without the integrity. Both are too boring to watch.

Almost did a spit take at the "carnival barker" comment in Mr. Obama's press briefing.

[nolabear]

91. Yes, Carnival barkers indeed!

Man, Obama is the most grown up man I've ever seen, and I mean that literally. Most of the people I know, including myself, would not have the patience to just keep going, to work at the day to day while all around him people are hurling bolts about everything from his race to his wife's looks. Some will stoop to anything. I'm rather sad that he finally showed the certificate, but it is the grown up thing to do, and I'm so glad he's the president rather than any of the hounds.

[Frisbee]

66. I though Sarah was like Donald with better hair.

Shows how much I know.

[jberryhill]

36. They've been anticipating a forgery for a while, LOL

You'll still have those birthers who believe "two citizen parents" is necessary. Those ones are beyond the outer limits of stupid.

[No Elephants]

104. The Supreme Court has said place of birth has always been universally understood to confer

citizenship. That is why some people are demanding a Constitutional amendment to deny citizenship to anchor babies (as opposed to simply a statutory change to citizenship law).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause

(You probably know that, but some others reading this thread may not.)

[cilla4progress]

43. You know what, it was a judgment call,

and he could have decided either way. He followed his instincts (or perhaps the team did), and really, nothing to lose, since they were on the side of truth.

Of course, I do HATE to see the bloviating bastards paid ANY amount of attention to, but...can't really question his decision. I just HOPE this doesn't encourage those assholes to keep trying to play him, manipulate him.

And we all know this won't satisfy the crazies out there anyway, so, on to the next fake controversy.

[lonestarlib]

44. Obama has caved in to repukes again!

[neoralme]

46. It also may be that Trump coerced Obama to release the birth

certificate so as to clear the birther thing from some voters minds so that Obama would have an easier time getting re-elected. Trump has given more money to Democrats than Republicans.

[FourScore]

47. This will not satisfy the nuts questioning the validity of Obama's birth certificate.

They'll still find something wrong with it. Did you notice they don't have a residential address on the form? Did you notice that one side is curved so that we can't read it? Did you notice the typeset? That's not from a 1960's typewriter!!! It's a forgery -- anyone can forge one of these! Why didn't he produce it sooner?

:sarcasm:

The part I find so crazy is that his opponent in the 2008 election, John McCain, really wasn't born in the United States. He was born in Panama. Also, Obama's mother is American, so doesn't that automatically make him an American also?

This is about race. They just cannot stand that a black man is in the highest office of the land. Period.

[FourScore]

63. Like I said:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x969353

[Renew Deal]

49. Once it was decided that it shouldn't be released, it shouldn't have been released.

It legitimized the idiotic argument and it won't satisfy the crazies. Now they think it's a forgery, etc.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. This will solidify

to the independents how insane the GOP is.

[neoralme]

68. No. This will solidify both Trump and Obama. Trump has done what

he wanted FOR Obama and will drop out and suggest people vote for Obama. Trump does not like the Republicans going after Senior's programs, which Trump feels they have earned and would be disastrous for this country if they were decimated. I've been thinking this for about a week now. Trump may be steering Obama into positions and releasing what Trump views as errant positions to make Obama more electable. But, then, I see things differently than you. The main reason I like Trump is he is a dealmaker. He would bring China to its knees. As far as the rest, I think Trump or Obama would do approximately the same things. But, then, I have read about Trump. I think he is way more Democratic leaning than the Republican. But I'm not interested in arguing about it. One other thing: Trump gives more money to Democrats, including Harry Reid, than Republicans. Trump may actually be a RINO.

[BumRushDaShow]

115. How did you infer

what you wrote from what I wrote? And then you go on to claim that somehow "(you) see things differently than (me)...". You have no idea what I'm thinking and it's certainly not about a near-bankrupt opportunist. And be advised that opportunists ARE apolitical (see Ariana Huffington as an example) and I would rarely if ever assume their loyalty to any party.

[neoralme]

118. I don't see the asserted inference. But I can sure tell you are

not thinking about a a near-bankrupt opportunist worth probably around 3-4 billions dollars. I will agree that Trump is mainly apolitical. But he is a force in today's mindless electorate, so I have studied his every move to try and detect his motivations for doing things. I think I have him figured out.

[CRK7376]

51. The heads of Freepers and Lunatics to

my left and right are exploding! What a hilarious day to watch the loons run around on fire. Too bad the Pres released the long form. Of course hardcore lunatics and freepers will never believe it. So how will Faux spin today? Probably how The Donald made the Pres release the long form....I also wonder how the Corsi guy will spin this....? Boom there goes another birther head explosion!

[Ian David]

58. They're going to say we should impeach him for illegally obtaining it from Hawaii. n/t

[drm604]

59. I like how he indirectly referred to Trump as a carnival barker.

"We can't afford to be distracted by side shows and carnival barkers". :rofl:

[Skinner]

60. Prediction:

Birthers will not change their minds.

[FourScore]

64. Bingo!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x969353

[bongbong]

61. Next demands from the wingnuts

"How come Obama's birth video isn't on Youtube?"

"Can Obama explain why he, a Muslim, went to a Christian church for decades?"

"Why does Obama, an avowed Marxist, keep bailing out banks to the tune of trillions?"

[PatSeg]

62. And of course Trump is taking credit for it

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished."

"I want to look at it, but I hope it’s true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/


What an ego. Somehow he can make everything about him all the time.

[HERVEPA]

67. Just a dumb decision - Neville Chamberlain would be proud

Now they will just give him a hard time for not doing it earlier.
Almost nobody who would ever vote for him believed the crap.

[PassingFair]

73. Did you listen to him?

He busted their chops, and hopefully
he did it at just the right moment.

:applause:

I know that there are a lot of
teabaggers I don't have to
argue with anymore. Now their
other ridiculous claims can be
discounted.

[HERVEPA]

80. Didn't listen. I'm at work. Still disagree with decision.

All he did is give them credibility when they clearly had none.
If he was going to do this, should have happenned when the crap firsts started a long time ago, not because of Trump.

[PassingFair]

89. I'm not a huge Obama fan, but sometimes he scores BIG.

Please listen to him and see how you feel after....

:)

[stanwyck]

109. Disagree. I think Obama played the birthers perfectly. Gave them

enough rope to hang themselves. Who knew they could look even more like idiots than they did before? And the birthers have dragged some high profile people down with them.

[tilsammans]

69. I'm wondering if this story is getting any coverage on Fox . . .

. . . and the rest of the freepturd media.

(Not that I'd tune in to find out, mind you.)

[cbdo2007]

77. It's on Drudge so at least they're getting word somehow.

[gauguin57]

71. As soon as the BC was released, the Freepers found stuff "wrong" with it.

The threads are coming fast and furious at FreeRepublic.com, about Obama's father's foreign status affecting Obama's, about Obama using a SocSec. # that belonged to a dead man (?) ... all kinds of fruitloopery.

They will never be satisfied. Obama shouldn't have wasted his valuable time.

[caseymoz]

113. True, but they'll never come up with a theory as plausible and uniting as this one.

And the most reasonable of them are embarrassed.

They're basically homeless fruit-loops.

[ehrnst]

123. Now they claim that because his father wasn't a citizen....

He isn't according to the Founding fathers:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292205

They also never intended for Michelle Bachmann to run for public office either...

[Kingofalldems]

72. They now want all of his college records

Buchanan screaming about it yesterday on Hardball

[Raschel]

75. What a frickin' sad day for our country. If the world survives long this will go down in history as

one of our neanderthal moments, right along with slavery.

Let this be a reminder to those who think that racism no longer exist.

[nichomachus]

76. Obviously a forgery

Did anyone notice the registrar's name is "U K L Lee"

Hawaii . . Ukelele Get it?

(Expect to hear the birthers go to town on this in 5..4..3..2

[cbdo2007]

78. President Obama shouldn't have released it now. It totally empowers Trump.

[HERVEPA]

81. Exactly

[nc4bo]

90. But Trump is a joke......How many marriages?

How many failed business attempts (saw that here somewhere), silly tv shows, horrible hair - come on now.

I bet The Donald has more dirt in his background than a agri pig farm lagoon.

I also bet there's a huge line of people who'd love to take him down in flames.

He's a joke and if he continues on this path, will split the right's voting block into even more smithereens.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

95. how? Trump has no ammunition now.

[hakko936]

82. Why now? (That is the question that will be asked.)

I never understood why he didn't do this in the beginning so everyone would shut up about it. It seemed like an easy and reasonable thing to do. I am glad he did it so everyone would just shut up. Now, everyone will question why he is doing it now.

[trud]

86. hakko936

It wasn't easy and reasonable. The policies of the Hawaii Dept of Health had to be changed. They normally don't release the long form even to the individual.

I would never have released it. I just live in some other space time continuum from Obama. He trashed the EPA, Endangered Species, toxic dump cleanups, and action against global warming in his budget "win." Started a new war, still in the old ones. Now this minor but tonedeaf item.

[bitchkitty]

116. +1000

You just summed up my feelings on the matter exactly.

[Turbineguy]

85. Now they'll have to invent

another distraction.

[No Elephants]

120. They already have.

[handmade34]

87. makes no difference

irrational people don't think rationally!! (We are a country with idiots comprising half the population)

[rayofreason]

103. What a waste of time. n/t

[jakeXT]

105. So what's up with the dual citizen thing ?

If the document proves valid, it could answer the questions raised by those who have alleged he was not actually born in Hawaii. But it also could prove his ineligibility because of its references to his father. Some of the cases challenging Obama have explained that he was a dual citizen through his father at his birth, and they contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born citizens.

Read more: White House releases Obama 'birth certificate' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292165#ixzz1KjwwL2MU

[No Elephants]

117. Even sane Republicans refer to your source as "World Nut Daily."

If I claimed to be Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte would you ask, "So what's up with Napoleon still being alive and in Boston?"


ETA: Besides, you did not read the story very well. The writer cites nothing but lawsuits brought by birthers. AFAIK, all those suits have been dismissed, so their allegations are not exactly authoritative.

[jberryhill]

130. Nothing is "up with that"

It is totally irrelevant whether some other country considers you a citizen.

You think if the Iranian Parliament declared all candidates to be citizens of Iran, then the entire field would be disqualified?

Jews can claim Israeli citizenship. So, do you think we should disqualify Jews from running for the office?

If your grandfather was Irish, you can be an Irish citizen too, and many Irish Americans get passports to make entry there easier. I guess someone will have to break the news to the Kennedys.

[jakeXT]

133. I read the article and I wasn't aware that some consider dual citizenship to be a problem

with the natural born/naturalised issue. It's not addressed in this link here but they talk about his UK and Kenyan citizenship.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

I was only aware of the birth certificate and the allegations of loosing citizenship by accepting the Indonesian one.

[jberryhill]

140. Oh, okay....

There are two nutty subtheories here:

1. That because he was also considered a British citizen at birth (as British law at that time conferred citizenship on the children of its citizens), then somehow having been born a US citizen 'doesn't count'.

2. That "natural born citizen" requires two citizen parents. They get this from a translation of a Swiss political theorist in the 1700's who described "children of citizen parents" as being birthright citizens under some systems. However, while they hang their hat on the plural "parents", they don't seem to notice that "children" is also plural. Nonetheless, they claim that the founders had this particular work (translated differently from French than a later translation) in mind when they wrote Article II.


Neither of those species of birther, nor the "Indonesian adoption" birthers, are satisfied, and they believe that Trump is a secret agent of Obama who focused this thing on birthplace.

The weird thing is that all of the facts were known and admitted for these three theories long ago.

(and, to leave no doubt, a child cannot lose US citizenship status by acts of its parents, or even foreign adoption... only an adult can renounce citizenship by declaration to a consular official abroad)

[Turborama]

121. I've got a copy, if anyone is curious and wants to see it...

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

[jakeXT]

143. Where is your copy from ?

I ask because in the pdf version there are no white remains in the lower right corner of the document.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

[Turborama]

145. The same place I linked to. I Photoshopped out the control buttons & was sloppy with the fill. n/t

[yurbud]

126. aaah...but it's not the handwritten APPLICATION for the original birth certificate...

and so on...

[aquart]

128. Must he always give in?

Hasn't he figured out they simply move the finish line?

[NoodleyAppendage]

131. What's with the PDF being visible in layers when brought into Adobe?

Just wondering. How could this be possible if it was a document scan?

J

[jakeXT]

135. The document has been created with Quartz on Mac

http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/10/23/reduce-file-size-pdf-mac/


It seems this program makes pdf's smaller this one has only 300 something kilobytes.
I don't know how, but maybe it's using layers to do it.

[jakeXT]

144. If the document originally was a negative, then converting it to make it pretty was a stupid move

The assessment at WireUpdate.com: ‘The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable’.
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2011/04/obama-birth-certificate-adobe-illustrator-reveals-different-layers/

[NoodleyAppendage]

153. Or, maybe it was done purposefully to keep the crazy on the crazy train?

This PDF certainly provides enough fodder for the haters, so maybe its release had a dual purpose?

J

[johnnyrocket]

139. Yea, but what about his "Super Long Form" Birth Certificate?? Huh?

Oh, and after that's comes out, where's his "Super-Duper Long Form"!?!

Just sayin'....


/snark out

[fantomas]

142. Trump won't stop panting about seeing Obama's long form

Trump is obviously envious. He's stuck in junior high trying to prove he's the bigger man.

[jakeXT]

146. Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

More than a month before Donald Trump began his media blitzkrieg over the issue of President Obama's birth certificate, the document was quietly moved to a more secure location within a dual combination-key lock safe inside the state's health department vault.

The certificate was moved there by Alvin Onaka, Hawaii's State Registrar, in response to what had already become an increasing number of media requests by FoxNews.com and others, according to sources.

"It is my understanding that the book has been placed in a smaller locked container in the same secure safe," Chiyome Fukino, who served as Hawaii's health department director for eight years until last December, told FoxNews.com in late February. "The safe is still in the department."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/#ixzz1KngP1uVr

[No Elephants]

152. Smart to move it and announce the move. Not so smart to say where it is now.

They should have treated the move itself as top secret and left it at "moved to a more more secure location."


Now that everyone has seen how many voters now say either that they don't know where Obama was born, or that he was born outside the U.S., destroying the original cert. may look like a good idea.

Footnote: I feel sorry for the other folks whose records are in that book. If they ever need their records, it's going to be a mess--and they have no Presidency to soften the blow.