Pakistan Arrests C.I.A. Informants in Bin Laden Raid

[mia]

Source: New York Times

Kuni Takahashi for The New York Times
A casualty of the recent tension between the countries is an ambitious Pentagon program to train Pakistani paramilitary troops to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the northwestern tribal areas.
Pakistan’s detention of five C.I.A. informants, including a Pakistani Army major who officials said copied the license plates of cars visiting Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in the weeks before the raid, is the latest evidence of the fractured relationship between the United States and Pakistan. It comes at a time when the Obama administration is seeking Pakistan’s support in brokering an endgame in the war in neighboring Afghanistan....

Some in Washington see the arrests as illustrative of the disconnect between Pakistani and American priorities at a time when they are supposed to be allies in the fight against Al Qaeda — instead of hunting down the support network that allowed Bin Laden to live comfortably for years, the Pakistani authorities are arresting those who assisted in the raid that killed the world’s most wanted man....

Over the past several weeks the Pakistani military has been distancing itself from American intelligence and counterterrorism operations against militant groups in Pakistan. This has angered many in Washington who believe that Bin Laden’s death has shaken Al Qaeda and that there is now an opportunity to further weaken the terrorist organization with more raids and armed drone strikes.

But in recent months, dating approximately to when a C.I.A. contractor killed two Pakistanis on a street in the eastern city of Lahore in January, American officials said that Pakistani spies from the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, known as the ISI, have been generally unwilling to carry out surveillance operations for the C.I.A. The Pakistanis have also resisted granting visas allowing American intelligence officers to operate in Pakistan, and have threatened to put greater restrictions on the drone flights....



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/world/asia/15policy.html?_r=3&hp

[Arctic Dave]

1. Of course they are going to arrest them.

They would be derelict in their duty to not.

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[Wilms]

3. Now Pakistan is cracking down on whistle-blowers??

Oh. Wait.

[InkAddict]

4. Evil Midnight Children in an unsettled rogue country so young and so

far from its mission statement - sad :(

Satisfied?

[TacticalPeek]

5. I say we nuke the entire country from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

[JackRiddler]

6. 30 percent of this country won't think that's a joke to mock their insanity.

[QuintanarooBoy]

7. Breaking with the consensus

I think this is a demonstration that Pakistan is no better an "ally" than Israel.

[Duppers]

8. +100

[lunatica]

9. I really don't get Pakistan's stance on this

Are they aiding terrorists or aren't they? And if they are, then why are they? What benefit to them to give the US a rationale for sending in those damn drones? I hate this crap. Why give the warmongers in our country this invitation to stay in that region?

Didn't Hillary just go over there and give them an opportunity to ally themselves with the US?

I just don't get it. One day we're working together and the next we're fucking bombing them with our drones.

[Taverner]

13. It's pretty simple: The Pakistani Intelligence Org (ISI) sides with the Taliban

It's no secret, and Pakistan has never been our ally

The segments that were our ally against Bin Laden are going to be removed

The ISI wields a lot of power

Let's hope they don't decide to lob some nukes over the border just to see what happens

[mia]

14. Claim of U.S. "Psychological war against Pak nukes"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/defense-official-u-s-needs-effective-nobr-counter-wmd-nobr-strategy-20110615

Our suspicions about ill-designs of USA and its strategic allies Israel and India concerning Pakistan ’s nuclear program are now turning into reality. President Ahmadinejad’s recent statement that USA has evil designs against our nuclear program has further heightened our anxieties. Psychological war on our nuclear program was ignited by US government and Jewish controlled think tanks and media sometime in 2004 and became more and more vicious with each passing year. Pakistan ’s nuclear program was made to look unsafe after overplaying threat of terrorism, which was also inflamed by USA and its allies by invading and occupying Afghanistan and then deliberately pushing terrorism into Pakistan ....


Despite multi-layered system of security evolved by Pakistan which is second to none, doubts are still being aired by vested interests that Pakistan ’s nuclear program is unsafe and needs to be secured before they fall into wrong hands. Although our leaders are claiming that no harm can befall upon our strategic assets, in my humble view the threat is of different nature about which our policy makers have given no thought. Their eyes are fixed on local terrorists about whom the US is repeatedly ringing alarm bells.

The biggest threat is not from US or Indo-Israeli direct assault, or from local terrorists who are anti-American, but from foreign backed terrorists trained to undertake special operations, like the ones against GHQ and Mehran Base. Another possible dangerous threat is from pro-American elements or sympathizers of foreign sponsored terrorists working inside nuclear setups who may be bribed to steal fissile material and fuses and pass them on to wrong people. One must not forget that CIA had been able to buy the loyalties of several scientists working in a nuclear plant in 1990s. Brig Imtiaz working in ISI had busted the band on the payroll of CIA, after he accidentally found out from a girl ditched by one of the scientists belonging to this group.

I am certain that the heavy CIA network established in Pakistan since 2010 must be continuing with its efforts to cultivate scientists, officials and security guards employed in sensitive organizations. The theme of nukes falling in hands of religious extremists was purposely floated to provide smoke screen to its own covert actions. USA , Israel and India are the actual thieves bent upon stealing or destroying our nukes. Varieties of contingencies have been prepared to destroy, steal or overpower the arsenal. The noose has been sufficiently tightened and the thieves have prowled closer to the intended sites and believably have stealthily encircled them....

[Elmore Furth]

10. Pakistani tribalism rears it's ugly head

As Elizabeth Sullivan said in 2009:

There are at least two Pakistans and maybe as many as four. It's a division that threatens to destroy America's most important frontline ally in the war against al-Qaida. Among the casualties could be U.S. hopes to avoid another 9/11 and keep terrorists from getting their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

Marry those two horribles and you get the unthinkable: al-Qaida with nukes, plotting terrible carnage on U.S. soil. Which is why what happens in Pakistan matters so much to America.

The first and best-known Pakistan is the highly technological state that, primarily via theft, acquired nuclear weapons know-how after adversary India exploded its first bomb in 1974. This Pakistan long was the dominant part of Pakistan. It is a Pakistan of highly educated leaders, both generals and politicians, who - if not entirely secular - tend to put nationalism over sectarianism.

The second Pakistan also has long existed, albeit far from the realm of this first Pakistan. It's represented by the tribal communities strung out along Pakistan's wild and mountainous borders. In these areas, people still live by ancient Pashtun notions of justice that are sometimes harsh and brutal, and locals have been radicalized by the deaths associated with the recent arrival of Pakistani security forces and U.S. military drones.

Pakistan's split personality: tribalism vs. nationalism - Elizabeth Sullivan

Islam is an expansionistic religion and Pakistan is not immune from it's influence as an ideology that will reject outside powers.

WE are the outside power.

[mia]

15. Not only are we the threatening "outside power" but "China

has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and expertise and has provided critical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear facilities."

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/

[NikRik]

11. Same country we give buckets of cash to ?

If even one Americian dollare is given to this country again I believe all those involved Pakistanies and Americians should be arrested and held accountable for this outrage.Pakistan has proven they are in no way looking out for our best interest and in fact they have shown a preferance towards our enimies!When will we ever learn that true friends dont come with their hands held out looking for aid that will help their country while all the time behind our backs they are truely our enimies! Wake up Americia you are being duped.
IMHO, NikRik

[mia]

12. The security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is a concern.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/defense-official-u-s-needs-effective-nobr-counter-wmd-nobr-strategy-20110615

Updated: June 15, 2011 | 10:17 a.m.
June 15, 2011 | 10:16 a.m.
The United States still lacks an effective strategy to prevent or counter the potential loss or diversion of a weapon of mass destruction somewhere in the world, according to a senior Defense Department official.

Several recent Pentagon exercises demonstrated "that our capabilities in this regard have some serious gaps," John Harvey, principal deputy to the assistant Defense secretary for nuclear and chemical and biological defense programs, said on Friday. "A critical gap is that we do not have a systematic approach to achieve what we call in the Department of Defense 'situational awareness' for the combat commands regarding" unconventional weapons....


The solution, in part, calls for increased intelligence in a number of areas, according to Harvey, including: the state of nations' WMD programs; terrorists' interest in those efforts; existing proliferation networks; national proliferation activities; and the security status of WMD facilities, including possible threats and vulnerabilities. Also key would be continued engagement on enhancing weapons security and ongoing threat-reduction programs with other nations, he said....


He did not discuss specific commands, which cover various regions around the globe. The U.S. Central Command, for example, has an "area of responsibility" that encompasses North Africa, Central Asia, and the Middle East, including Syria, which is suspected of holding a sizable arsenal of chemical weapons, and Pakistan, which remains subject to concerns regarding the security of its nuclear arsenal....

[harvey007]

16. Pakistan's Secret Service Arrests 5 CIA Informants Who Spied on Bin Laden

Source: Fox News

The five CIA informants arrested by Pakistan’s secret services include a Pakistani Army major serving as a doctor and the owner of the safe house used by the CIA to spy on Usama bin Laden in his Abbottabad compound, Fox News has learned.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/15/pakistans-secret-service-arrests-5-cia-informants-who-spied-on-bin-laden/

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C06%5C16%5Cstory_16-6-2011_pg1_1

[Wilms]

17. So they don't like whistle-blowers.

:cough:

[buckrogers1965]

18. Sort of makes the USA look like jackasses

to complain about abducting whistle blowers, torturing them, and holding them without trail when we are doing the same thing to Bradley Manning.

[kickysnana]

19. A hard truth: Those who help American foreign policy will not be protected.

Nor will those who do business with the US. Nor will US citizens get anything but token help unless they are very, very rich.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. And again I contend, one of the most dangerous jobs in the world

is being a friend to the CIA.

If one side doesn't get you, the other will.

[Iliyah]

21. Fake news

come one

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Huh?