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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:39 PM
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Mich. Court Bars Sale of Medical Marijuana
Source: Associated Press

Aug 24, 5:07 PM EDT

Mich. court bars sale of medical marijuana

By ED WHITE
Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) -- Medical marijuana cannot be sold through private shops, the Michigan appeals court said Wednesday in a major decision that strikes at businesses trying to cash in on pot and cuts off a source for people with chronic ailments.

A three-judge panel said the 2008 medical marijuana law, as well as the state's public health code, does not allow people to sell pot to each other, even if they're among the 99,500 who have state-issued marijuana cards.

The court said Compassionate Apothecary in Mount Pleasant, Mich., can be immediately shut down as a "public nuisance." The 3-0 decision means local authorities can pursue similar businesses, estimated at 200 to 300, in their communities.

It was not immediately clear whether they would, but state Attorney General Bill Schuette said he's notifying all 83 county prosecutors.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MEDICAL_MARIJUANA_DISPENSARIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:42 PM
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1. In some ways, the collapse of this country can't come soon enough
It's completely toxic now, the way it is. This decision by the "court" is just another example.

While the real criminals get cabinet posts and billions on Wall Street.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:45 PM
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3. I agree villager, this country is toxic beyond belief. Here in Michigan our douche bag in charge
is throwing 12,000 people off of welfare. Riots are not far off.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 08:08 PM
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17. I'm also a Michigan resident and yes...
riots are not far off. Things are bad and many people are desperate and it is getting worse rapidly.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 08:27 PM
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18. When the 12,000 fall off the welfare rolls October 1st watch the crime rate skyrocket.
Over 600 of the 12,000 are in Muskegon.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:46 PM
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4. I've been thinking the same. The US is soooo F'ed up I think anymore
it's beyond redemption. Exactly as you said, "the real criminals get cabinet posts and billions on Wall Street." And we are forced to shell out money to The Corporate Welfare State.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:13 PM
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12. Be Careful What You Wish For
If/When this government does collapse, the Fundies will take over.
They already pretty much control the Air Force and seem to have
gained control of the Army (which now imposes fundamentalist xtian
"Spiritual Fitness" assessments and training on its troops).

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:20 AM
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21. You think the fundies aren't angling to take over, regardless?
The mistake of the ruling economic elites is to imagine they'll be able to "control" them...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:26 AM
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23. Of Course They Are
They can come into power by stealing an election or by hijacking a rebellion.
They are very well positioned to do either, but the former is far more likely.

Of course the elites don't want to live under a theocracy.
They would live above it, like the sheiks in Saudi Arabia
with all of life's pleasures available to them,
and forbidden to everybody else.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:31 PM
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15. the presence of fascism is becoming more and more Obvious
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 07:36 PM by fascisthunter
we will be seeing more examples... law being dictated by corporate influences... our lives are now being dictated by many "bottom lines" and we don't get to profit from it.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:43 PM
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2. This crap is so illogical and stupid. One can go drink themselves to
death with alcohol, but medical pot, oh, no no. What a BULLSHIT society we live in. I've been waiting decades for the US to get some brains, about lots of things, but none so far IMO.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:48 PM
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5. Unfuckingbelievable.
The other day a DUer suggested this bumper sticker as a reminder that MJ hasn't always been illegal.


Re-legalize It!




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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 05:53 PM
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9. I like it nt
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 05:09 PM
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6. This is about insurance and drug companies not wanting this thing to work
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socialindependocrat Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 05:11 PM
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7. Every decision shoud benefit the American people!!!
Our elected oficials need to be voted out of office.

They are here to serve the American people.

Every decision should be made to make life better for all Americans.

Greed is what is killing the country!!!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 05:20 PM
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8. Activist judges are legislating from the bench
Making laws from the bench and ignoring the will of the people as they voted in a referendum.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 06:01 PM
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10. They kin sell it in BAAARS!?!??!?
Go Wolverines!!!
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 06:51 PM
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11. I fully support legalization of marijuana and with that said...
I live here in Michigan, I haven't sought out the 'card' because I knew the law was going to be tested and the courts are stacked against us in this State. Also didn't want to be registered on the official "state list" of cardholders.

Now on to my 'beef'. The law is for 'medical marijuana', not just any person.

My neighbor has a 'card' and shops at one of these dispenceries. His first comment about the experience is "damn I felt like an old geezer as I was the oldest one shopping in the store". He is 37.

Just saying that with our current gov't in MI, things are a changing.

New constitutional referendum needed? Indeed but this time spell out the details.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:52 AM
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30. What business is it of yours what your neighbor does?
"Now on to my 'beef'. The law is for 'medical marijuana', not just any person."

Ever try minding your own business? :eyes: :hi:
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:19 PM
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13. We must expect a few setbacks along the way, but full legalization will be here in a year or two
The war on drugs is too expensive to continue. With the deficit situation in this country, enforcement of marijuana laws has no cost to benefit ratio, it just has cost.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:23 PM
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14. they are only showing how out of touch they are
this will not stand. The people voted it in once. They saw that the world did not collapse.
It will be reinstated.
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DreamSmoker Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 08:03 PM
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16. DAAAAAA what the hell did you think would happen
We here in California have been up this tree before..
Fact is who ever wrote and past those state laws and ordinances made this by design...
Californians have recently taken the Cannabis issue all the way to the federal Supreme Court to determine if Californians can supersede Federal laws to get Patients access..
The Feds would not even hear the case and so the California Supreme Court decision stands...
State Law on this trumps Federal Law...
So if the people of this State stand and battle for their right to Cannabis...
The State could very well make it happen legally..
Though many battles will be fought to argue that Federal Law is the absolute law...
Then you will have to deal with Local Governments who will make Ordinances to block any access or go right back to court to prove Federal law trumps again...
Most important one is the Ordinance rule that all have to be legal both local and federally.. Creating this loop hole for themselves...

Bottom line is in the last California election...
The Cannabis Bill to make Cannabis legal like Alcohol lost.. But not by much at all..
This will be re introduced on the Ballot in 2012..
With Gods blessing and more Americans help... We can do this..


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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 08:39 PM
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19. But hey, we can strap on giant handguns and parade around the streets with impunity.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 09:35 PM
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20. How can MJ be distributed then?
If people can not sell to each other, does that mean that robots can?
This ruling is nonsense.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:04 AM
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22. You can give it away. You can grow your own.
It's not illegal to distribute, it's illegal to *sell*.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:49 PM
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24. That wasn't the decision. Dispensaries are operating in Michigan, today.
Read the decision again (for the first time!)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:48 PM
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27. Got a link?
From the article:
"There is no dispute that the marijuana law makes no mention of dispensaries; it doesn't even indicate how people should get their dope. It says people can possess up to 2.5 ounces of "usable" pot and keep up to 12 plants in a locked place. A caregiver also can provide marijuana."

"The `medical use' of marijuana does not include patient-to-patient `sales' of marijuana. Defendants, therefore, have no authority under the (law) to operate a marijuana dispensary that actively engages in and carries out patient-to-patient sales," said appeals court judges Joel Hoekstra, Christopher Murray and Cynthia Diane Stephens.

...The way people were opining in the article, the implication was that all dispensaries were being shut down.

Of course, this wouldn't be the first time that the press story was glossing over the finer legal print.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:48 AM
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28. Start with reading the Statute: MCL 333.26430(e).
Edited on Fri Aug-26-11 07:50 AM by Romulox
And I quote: "(e) A registered primary caregiver may receive compensation for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient in the medical use of marihuana. Any such compensation shall not constitute the sale of controlled substances."

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1jvv0hyxd041c1zxiiw3pnyx))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-333-26424

"...The way people were opining in the article, the implication was that all dispensaries were being shut down."

You've got to put a finer point on the matter than that. In fact, the Michigan Medical Marihuana (sic) Act ("MMMA") allows for "Primary Caregivers" to cultivate plants for up to five patients. As you can see, the "Primary Caregiver" is explicitly enabled by the statute to receive compensation. So when they speak of "patient to patient 'sales'", what they're talking about are transfers outside of this patient-primary caregiver relationship--they aren't speaking about caregiver-patient sales. They're instead speaking about "walk in off the street" dispensaries. So they didn't say money can't change hands; rather, the MMMA contemplates compensation for the sale of marijuana within the patient-caregiver relationship. It does not speak to transfers outside of this relationship, which presumably are regulated by the old drug laws existing in the criminal code.

Now then, all that said, "walk in off the street" dispensaries are being LICENSED by cities such as Ann Arbor. Which means that the city of Ann Arbor will not be able to, on one hand, license the places, and then on the other hand, shut them down. Therefore, nearly 200 dispensaries are open for business today in Michigan, the Appeals Court notwithstanding. In perhaps what can be seen as a microcosm of the entire issue, the State of Michigan and its rightwing AG simply don't have either the police force nor the prosecutors to shut these places down--they will be shut down, if at all, by individual communities, many (perhaps most) of which have no desire (nor any duty) to execute Governor Snyders rightwing jihad against sick people.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:55 PM
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25. Michigan oughtta be happy that SOMETHING is selling in that state!
Talk about stupidity run amuck!
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 10:22 PM
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26. Under what law is selling illegal?
I can't find any mention in the article of whatever law makes selling illegal. The court said they can't, but from the article, it appears that the court thinks everything about marijuana is automatically illegal unless this law legalizes it. Labeling pot businesses a "public nuisance" seems like stretching the law a bit, and it will certainly fail if they try to stretch that particular law to individuals selling to each other inside private homes.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:52 AM
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29. It's illegal under the criminal code. nt
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