Father slit throats of three daughters in 'honour killing' after they were raped by Gaddafi's troops

[Lars77]

Source: Daily Mail

A Libyan father killed his three daughters after they were raped by Gaddafi's troops to lift the shame on his family, a human rights group said today.

The girls, aged 15, 17 and 18 were allegedly assaulted by soldiers at a school in the town of Tomina, near the war-shattered city of Misrata, during a two-month siege.

When they returned home, their father slit their throats in a so-called honour killing, according to Physicians for Human Rights (PHR).

The horrific story was one of a number to emerge from Misrata after the group sent in a team of interviewers in June to catalogue human rights abuses just after Libyan forces expelled Gaddafi loyalists.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031710/Libya-Father-slit-throats-girls-raped-Gaddafis-men.html

[WillParkinson]

1. I have no words...

This is disgusting.

[roguevalley]

19. There is no honor in murder. Damned man. He should have cradled

his daughters in his arms forever or SHIPPED THEM TO ME, THE FUCKER! Send them to me.

[Harmony Blue]

2. Why would that region of the world respond to Democracy

when they still hold onto these archaic cultural traditions?

[Uncle Joe]

18. We held on to slavery, among other

archaic cultural traditions when we started on our democratic republic path.

Having said that, I also have a strong feeling of revulsion over such stupidity as exhibited by this man.

[leftyohiolib]

27. oh....well... i guess that makes it ok

we had slavery(300 hundred years ago) so honor killings are ok... i dont you but im sure that's not how you feel but i dont understand why that was even put forth.

[Uncle Joe]

30. For your reading convenience, I have reposted the post I was responding to and a key sentence

in my own post.

Why would that region of the world respond to Democracy

Edited on Tue Aug-30-11 08:12 PM by Harmony Blue

when they still hold onto these archaic cultural traditions?

The author of that post was questioning the ability of those nations to handle democracy.

And from my own post, perhaps you didn't read or understand this part.

Having said that, I also have a strong feeling of revulsion over such stupidity as exhibited by this man.

That means I don't believe it is ok but I do believe they have every bit as much right to form a democracy as we did during our more barbaric time.

One other point our Constitution was declared in effect in 1789, that's closer to 200 years rather than 300.

One final point, peoples and cultures come to enlightenment or technological development at different stages, Great Britain began the Industrial Revolution approximately two centuries ago and China only began a couple of decades ago and now we're entering the Information Age, but just because they arrive at different levels doesn't mean they don't deserve the same opportunity to democracy and freedom.

We had to learn as we went along and so do they.

P.S. I forgot to welcome you to D.U.:hi:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Oh, NO.

Damn these "honour killings."

Horrible.

:cry:

[upi402]

4. Imagine

no religion

[yodermon]

religion is not the cause... there are deeper psychological causes, from which

these types of killings spring. Usually rooted in childhood trauma (as has just been re-staged)
Religion is an effect, not a cause in these cases.

To "imagine no religion", conditions which give rise to religion must be ameliorated, which can only be accomplished by political solutions.

[dogmoma56]

39. me thinks you think way too much. it takes effort to become educated and informed. none to be wrong.

:shrug:

[NoodleyAppendage]

44. Bullshi*t. Religion is EXACTLY the cause. Without the dogma there would be no...

...reason for the homicides. Religion gives cover to these behaviors and makes them socially acceptable. Sorry, you're not getting off that easily.

J

[LibertyFox]

63. Could you explain then which religion Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot killed for?

I missed the heavy use of religion in their campaigns of slaughter.

[NoodleyAppendage]

64. Lest you forget Hitler's Germany was PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN

Also, Roman Catholicism looked the other way when Jews were being tortured and murdered wholesale. Why didn't those religious individuals in Germany speak out against the killing of the Jews...unless the Catholic and Protestant dogma implicitly made it o.k. because Jews were "lesser" beings because of what they did to Jesus. Just sayin'

J

[Recursion]

20. What does religion have to do with this? Every religion forbids fillicide

Imams speak against it regularly.

This is a deep-seated cultural misogyny that atheism would not be able to stop, either.

[MineralMan]

5. It is an ugly culture that enables things like this.

I do not recognize such a culture as valid. I will never recognize such a culture as valid nor support it in any way at all. If we are in aid of such a culture, we should withdraw all such aid.

[closeupready]

24. Why do you insist on generalizing from an anecdote to an entire culture?

Would you like to apply your logic to our drone attacks in "Af/Pak"?

[uppityperson]

26. I see him speaking out on the culture of "honor killings". Those who participate or

allow that culture.

[closeupready]

41. Mineral Man, is this what you meant?

?

[MineralMan]

42. It's exactly what I meant. A culture that enables honor killings

is not one I can support. I can't imagine that it is one anyone here can support. If this man is not under arrest and awaiting trial, then he lives in such a culture.

[closeupready]

46. You declined to answer my second question.

Can you please do so? Thanks.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Maybe the same reason people here rush to lump all religions in with Islam

Despite the utter lack of "honor killing" headlines in the US.

[chrisa]

54. Weak comparison

Honor killings are an example of systematic abuse, torture, and murder in a culture. It happens because their culture thinks of women as chattel and non-feeling objects to be owned and controlled.

Drone attacks are an act of war. They aren't the same as an entire culture of torture, rape, and murder, where men are allowed to do whatever they want and have all of the power. You can't even compare the two.

The culture of the Middle East is backwards and oppressive. It's probably the cruelest in the world.

[closeupready]

57. Again, Mineral Man's response is what I'm interested in here, sorry.

No offense.

[chrisa]

59. It is a discussion forum - I suggest the PM feature if that's the case.

[snooper2]

56. No, it's ugly Imams preaching screed from a book thousands of years old

Just like the Crazy 'Xtians here who think Earth is 6K years old. Who think "they gay should die"...

Fred Phelps...


See, the difference is, Muslims actually follow their holy book. Here, they just talk a bunch of shit until the random nut acts out and does something like bomb abortion clinics.

[tabasco]

6. I hope he didn't fart while he was slitting his daughters' throats.

That would be culturally inappropriate!!

[Bunny]

32. I was going to comment on that, too.

Never mind about the girls, how does he feel about farts? :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

7. Well, those girls certainly had it coming to them after what they did, getting raped and all.

Perfectly justified! :crazy:

[Lasher]

8. Does this Libyan father still live?

He needs to learn a thing or two about honor by being publicly executed.

[golfguru]

47. you are missing the point

the man's honor was restored after he murdered his "damaged" daughters.
The culture looks up on a man who would do that.

[qb]

9. religiously insane christians kill their children too

I feel equal disdain for the main western religions.

[HockeyMom]

10. Same here

While I don't necessarily believe in an eye for eye, I could far more justify that same father going out and murdering those men who did this to his daughters. That would be far more of a REAL MAN defending those weaker than him and entrusted to his care. Religion warps people's minds.

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[demigoddess]

11. speechless

poor girls.

[bpollen]

12. honor killings...

One thing that really blows me away is that, in this story, the rapists are the ones who come out looking the most reasonable.

[Ilsa]

13. Yes, at least they didn't murder their own flesh and blood. nt

[uppityperson]

15. They raped them, knowing what would most likely happen. Not sure how that is

reasonable at all. More reasonable than killing the girls for being raped? Not sure but religious extremists really suck.

[dixiegrrrrl]

Women's vaginas are apparently powerful and threatening no matter what the culture or religion.

Whether it is the American Taliban here at home, or fundie religions/cultures across the globe, various forms of fear of women's sexuality STILL seems to the focus in common.

[duhneece]

25. We were called 'strident feminists' when we co-produced TVM

For the past two years, we coproduced The Vagina Monologues...this year, we're doing "In Our Own Voices" of local stories, including male rape, abortion, etc.

Fear of and control of vaginas is a world-wide obsession by certain kinds of men...and the few women who support that sick point of view.

Power to the Pussies!

[Laelth]

61. Absolutely. I could not agree more.

I think we'd all be better off if we recognized that fact and did something constructive about it (as opposed to dismissing and ridiculing it, which accomplishes nothing).

-Laelth

[Proletariatprincess]

14. am I right in assuming that this father was on the rebel side?

One of the rebels supported by NATO and the Western powers? The Rebels whom NATO went in to protect from the (so called) brutal dictatorship of Gaddaffi?
Who are the brutes, exactly?

[UnseenUndergrad]

17. Huh?

One nutcase and you think it darkens the reputation of the entire movement? And calling rape and mowing down protesters with AA fire "so-called brutality"?

I know some people are desperate to defend the (former) regime and demonize the oppostiion, but this is just stupid (and so am I, actually entering into this argument with you).

[Proletariatprincess]

49. the fact is we haven't a clue who is who in Libya....

NATO et al could be on the wrong side...or not. My point was that we created the sides. We, being NATO. Defending or demonizing the sides is a creation. The West shouldn't be there at all. It is really all about the Oil Brouse and Libya's intention to refuse petro dollars and except other currencies for oil.
I will predict, however, that the Libyan people will be shown to be much worse off now than they were under Gaddaffi just as the Iraqi people are much worse off now than they were under Saddam all thanks to our "liberating" them from their own leadership.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. No, you're just HOPING it was a rebel. nt

[dogmoma56]

34. no one, even NATO said Lybia, Egypt, Syria were "Civil" societys, now that they have

been taken off the leash of tyrants, you can expect much worse slaughter as the tribes start getting even for assumed wrongs collected during the last 1200 years.

[Sherman A1]

16. Sad

simply sad.

[SoapBox]

21. sick...

[valerief]

28. Sheesh. Despicable. WTF good is honor without life? Stupid and cruel man. nt

[Lucky Luciano]

29. Sick fuck.

Why do places like that have about ten times more psychopaths than Japan, China, Korea, the US, and European countries?!

It's so fucking uncivilized.

I was in Morocco 9 months ago too. I was most unimpressed by the people who almost universally sucked.

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. That man was incredibly weak. To opt for murder, is just inexplicable.

He should have killed himself afterwards to save everyone the trouble.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. I'd prefer if he had killed himself BEFORE killing his children.

[Marnie]

33. Just curious but how can the dishonor of murdering one's

own children not be greater than the dishonor of one's children being innocent victims of a moral crime of violence that, I believe, even Moslims see is a grievous sin?

This is just the twisted logic of a person who is already a serious abuser of those same children.

[StarsInHerHair]

35. I have serious doubts that his daughters were raped, I just think he felt like

getting rid of them, too costly, the dowries, etc.

[Lars77]

45. How do you know, were there other sources for this? PHR sounds reputable but i dont know nt

[StarsInHerHair]

48. yes, here, it's also mentioned the 'rebels' have hired 2 very big PR firms in the U.S.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/

..."In April, reports spread near and far at lightning speed of Gaddafi’s forces using rape as a weapon of war, with the first sentence in a Daily Mail article declaring, “Children as young as eight are being raped in front of their families by Gaddafi’s forces in Libya,” with Gaddafi handing out Viagra to his troops in a planned and organized effort to promote rape.<9>

As it turned out, these claims – as posterity notes – turned out to be largely false and contrived. Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International both investigated the claims of rape, and “have found no first-hand evidence in Libya that rapes are systematic and being used as part of war strategy,” and their investigations in Eastern Libya “have not turned up significant hard evidence supporting allegations of rapes by Qaddafi’s forces.” Yet, just as these reports came out, Hillary Clinton declared that the U.S. is “deeply concerned by reports of wide-scale rape” in Libya.<10> Even U.S. military and intelligence officials had to admit that, “there is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas”; at the same time Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, “told a closed-door meeting of officials at the UN that the Libyan military is using rape as a weapon in the war with the rebels and some had been issued the anti-impotency drug. She reportedly offered no evidence to backup the claim.”<11>"...

..."An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.<12>"...

[Nihil]

52. "Babies & incubators" - the never-ending story of PR-led warfare ...

"Babies being thrown out of incubators"

"Weapons of Mass Destruction"

"Anthrax"

"Handing out Viagra"

"Restoring Freedom"


There is one consistent theme throughout the recurring pattern
of politicians lying their countries into non-defensive warfare
over the last couple of decades ... but if people can't admit
it now, they never will.

[Laelth]

62. Thanks for that.

I really despise it when our government lies to us, the American people, but it's thoroughly shameful when we lie to the rest of the world in order to garner support for our foreign policy initiatives.

Shame on us.

-Laelth

[StarsInHerHair]

65. NO-SHAME on our "leaders"

[chrisa]

55. Remember, though, that if a woman is raped in the Middle East,

They believe it must have been her fault. 'Since she "shamed" the family by getting raped (since it was her fault, and all), they carry about a death sentence to restore honor to their family.'

[geomon666]

36. Just as much a monster as the rapists. n/t

[aquart]

40. Now hang that loving father by his fucking thumbs.

And that's the most generous thing I can think of to do to him.

HONOR!

[hue]

43. The Qur'an teaches forgiveness/does not condone honour killing

The Qur'an repeatedly teaches that Allah(swt) is merciful
except when a person worships other gods (shirk).
Muhammad(PBUH) was also known for His mercy and forgiving
ways. It is an grievous error when members of the Islamic
community are taught by word of mouth from misogynist
elders/"scholars" that honour killings are
acceptable and can be done 
to redeem their honour.

Honour killings originate as a cultural practice and occur
most frequently among the uneducated.  This being said I 
would think the Muslim community has a responsibility to
EDUCATE members of their following which is also a 
mandate of Allah(swt). Here is more information.
My heart pours out to the poor Girls and Ladies who suffer
this as a way of life.   

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp

[snagglepuss]

66. Given the Koran is believed to be the last communication Allah will ever

make with humans, why didn't Allah spell it out, so no one could ever misunderstand that ancient "honor" rituals were forbidden? No Muslim ever gets confused about what meat not to eat, or how many times to pray, because the 5 pillars are clearly stated. The fact that there are so many grievous omissions in the Koran that have enabled barbaric practices to continue unchanged for centuries make it clear as day that the Koran is the result of human inspiration and not the literal word of god. That is not a bad thing.

[Mimosa]

50. Which forces fomented 'revolution' on Libya and WHY????

The more the West intervenes the more 'we' have stopped natural progress.

[NikRik]

51. How can a father kill 3 of his young girls.

Yet be to much of a coward to just kill himself instead of the inocent young girls. Iam completly at a loss for words. I have never been a racist of any kind ,however when you hear these things that some other people practice in these third world countries it really makes you wonder at what level in the evolution chain they are stuck at ?

[Steerpike]

53. Shit

He should be stoned...according to my cultural norms based on the Book of Steerpike....

[Bosonic]

58. Really need some chlorine in our global memepool

[RedCloud]

60. He should have slit the rapists' throats but I guess they shoot back,