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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:21 PM
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Jayna Davis Dissects Berg-Moussaoui Links
Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:08 p.m. EDT

Jayna Davis Dissects Berg-Moussaoui Links

Was executed American contractor Nicholas Berg's decision to share his computer password with alleged "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui during a 1999 encounter in Norman, Okla., just a coincidence, as Attorney General John Ashcroft assured the nation last week?

Or was there more to this bizarre development than meets the eye?

Oklahoma City bombing investigator, former NBC reporter Jayna Davis, has been exploring some of the more troubling aspects of the Berg-Moussaoui meeting, especially in light of the role the city of Norman played in events leading up to 9/11.

First, says Davis, the official story which had Berg, then a University of Oklahoma engineering student, innocently giving up his password to Moussaoui is, in her words, "totally nonsensical."

On Sunday Davis explained why to WABC Radio's Monica Crowley:

More: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/18/141347.shtml

TYY

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:23 PM
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1. "Jayna Davis" "Newsmax?" Uhm, say no more...
:eyes: EEK!

Here is a story by Time Magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040524/wberg.html
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:32 PM
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3. I agree Newsmax sucks . . .
. . . but I have a lot of respect for Jayna Davis. Are you familiar with her work?

TYY
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:37 PM
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6. Actually I have been familarized via the Freeper element.
Don't recall the specifics but ... isn't s he's one who claims Clinton was behind the Oklahoma City Bombing?
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:44 PM
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9. I think that is the Freeper element creeping in. :) n/t
n/t
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:47 PM
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10. I don't recall hearing . . .
. . . about a Clinton connection. I've heard her interviewed and read some of her work. If she has suggested that, I'm not aware of it.

TYY
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 11:15 PM
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11. Here is her story on the Oklahoma City Bombing.
http://www.jaynadavis.com/story.html

I was incorrect in stating she named Clinton, but she has a theory that's been refuted to a great extent.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:33 PM
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4. I knew Jayna in college. She is cool. :)
n/t
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:29 PM
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2. ??? I don't get it
I just read the whole article and came away feeling like I know nothing more than I did before. The story doesn't seem to make any points or come to any conclusions.
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PolJugglr Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:34 PM
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5. Agreed, story is crap
I'll admit that i know nothing of her previous work, but that story just plain sux.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:39 PM
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8. I think the problem . . .
. . . with that story is probably with the writer. That and the fact that it was written for Newsmax. I am intrigued with the fact that Jayna Davis is speaking on the subject. Her investigative work on the Oklahoma City bombing was daring. I'm hoping that her investigation of the Berg case gets reported in depth by a more reliable source.

TYY
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 10:38 PM
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7. Jayna's website is www.jaynadavis.com. She looks like Scully...
...on the X-Files also. :)

The following is not her work but will give you a feel for what she is working on. Also, there are some Democratic heavy hitters that believe in her. Clarke even has some good things to say about her research.

*************
*************
Go to http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1846269 for a short (3:33) but interesting audio clip. Click on "All Things Considered audio" and you can listen in RealAudio or Windows Media.

Also of interest:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_c ...

Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 19, 6:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

*SNIP*

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

*SNIP*
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:15 AM
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17. I'd be more impressed if she gave pause to the video itself,...
,...which presents ALOT of questions.

UpInArms posted this link yesterday and it has some very good analysis of the video.

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

Check out the guy's head ("pale" skinned with a military cap) that pops into the corner of the video. There are some very serious questions about who committed the atrocious murder of Berg, where they committed the act and why.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 11:26 PM
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12. A HORRIBLE "reporter" -- among the worst
Edited on Tue May-18-04 11:27 PM by Eloriel
Here's why:

The investigative journalist noted also that the FBI's version of the password incident differs considerably from that given by Berg's own family.

Berg told the FBI that "he was with an unidentified man who turned out to be a terrorist who passed this information about his confidential e-mail account to Zacarias Moussaoui," said Davis. Meanwhile, Berg's family insists that it was Moussaoui himself who met Berg on the bus that day.



The bolded sentence, depending I suppose on what she means by "Berg's family, is absolutely 100% untrue.

I MYSELF SAW AND HEARD Michael Berg in a clip on TV a few days ago describe it in exactly the way she says is contradicted by Berg's family. He let an acquaintance use his email, and that person passed the password on to Moussaoui. I heard Mr. Berg myself -- very clearly -- and have posted it here a gazillion times now.

If this is her level of "skill" or "professionalism" or "fact-checking," well, NewsMax is about the right place for her I guess.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 11:33 PM
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13. It could just be that the family was incorrect. n/t
n/t
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 01:58 AM
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14. Jayna sucks harder than Monica
Edited on Wed May-19-04 02:03 AM by DulceDecorum
and I hear she blows like a whale.

She ain't worth as much as a used piece of Kleenex.
Her work is god-awful - worse even than Judith Miller.
And if you dare challenge me,
then I will retaliate by posting her crap right where it belongs,
under the rear end of a picture of Triumph, the Comic Insult Dog.

Aw heck!!
Jayna done gone and got the poor pup all constipated.
Y'all will just have to settle for this:

(Iraq expert Dr. Laurie Mylroie has long contended that Youssef was an agent of Iraqi intelligence, implicating Saddam in the first attempt to take down the twin towers.)
This sampling does not begin to do justice to the work done by the intrepid Jayna Davis. Suffice it to say that there is evidence of Iraqi involvement in at least one and perhaps all three of most deadly terrorist attacks in the United States to date. It may or may not prove dispositive, but it can no longer safely be ignored.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/frankjgaffneyjr/fg20021119.shtml

Yeah, sure.

And if you believe THAT,
then maybe you can show the rest of us
the location of those WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

A look at the BTS records show that two of the planes were not scheduled to fly and NEVER EVEN TOOK OFF.
And a look at the FAA records show that the two UA planes are still registered and are apparently able to fly around and one has actually been recorded doing so long after September 11.
And another look at the FAA records shows that the to foreign-owned AA planes were removed from the FAA registry by special request since they were BOTH "destroyed" on January 14 2002
ALTHOUGH
a careful look at aviation incidents WORLDWIDE indicates no such thing.

That Berg boy was probably really really close
to thae white male
who booked a hijacker ticket from the library at the University of Oklahoma
where we know he was hanging out with Moussaoui.

JayS,
Jayna Davis and Steve Emerson are best avoided.
signed
SteN.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:53 AM
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15. Strange post.
I take it that you don't know very much about the Oklahoma City bombing...

And it is not much of a stretch to think something is wrong with the bombing investigation when the government takes the time to write everything down for you.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:06 AM
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16. Sounds like Jayna is another one of these self-made
terrorist experts, who likes to plant their bits of misinformation all over the internet. They mix it in with enough real stuff, that it's hard for most people to pick up on it. Apparently, she's just another slimball working for Tom Ridge on the side?





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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:50 AM
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18. Like or dislike her work...
...at least someone is still doing investigative reporting these days. She has been on the Oklahoma City bombing case for nine years now. That is dedication to the story, especially in a country where the citizens have trouble following a story for nine days.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:44 PM
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19. Kick
Kick
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:23 AM
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20. Hasn't been much media coverage of the Nichols trial...
If not for American Tim McVeigh we could have had 'terrorist' fear sooner. I do remember the drawn likeness of John Doe II and also when the FBI pulled that one. At that point Clinton brought in a 'Terrorist Law' of some sort, but I don't have the link now. Another question: Was Jayna Davis friends with Chandra Levy? Levy sat on the 'Oklahoma Bombing' committee with Gary Condit. After Gulf War I, Bush, Sr. is said to have brought some Iraqi scientist over from Iraq and they settled in Oklahoma City. This trial is getting no attention where I live, anyone getting any info? Don't think the FBI would help JD with anything since they held back info about the bombing and the Federal tape for all these years.
Conspiracy? Who knows, but it makes for an interesting topic.


Mystery people dominate testimony at Nichols trial

An Oklahoma City bombing survivor testified Thursday that she saw
Timothy McVeigh and another man standing near McVeigh's dilapidated car
shortly after an explosion rocked the Murrah Federal Building.

Two more witnesses, a man who drove a catering truck and a tire shop
employee, also said they saw McVeigh with another man shortly before the
bomb at the federal building exploded.


http://www.mcalesternews.com/articles/2004/05/14/news/local_news/news02.txt
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:35 AM
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21. I don't know about Chandra Levy. How old was she when...
...she died? Was she old enough to be at the trial?

I have been getting all my information from http://www.mcalesternews.com and http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Oklahoma_City_Bombing. There are lots of stories about the trial coming out every day...but few papers run them. The media seems to be skipping out on a lot of unusual stories lately.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:55 PM
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22. The media does seem to be skipping the NEWS...
period lately. There is a Chandra Levy website, maybe it is still there, who knows. Gary Condit sat on the intelligence committee for the "Oklahoma City Bombing." Evidently, she worked with him as an intern and knew about that case. I don't know when she met Jayna, but she did know her and that she covered the death of McVeigh. Then everything gets fuzzy from there. I was surprised to know that Chandra had a high security clearance. Do remember them talking about her wanting a job within the CIA from TV news, after she went missing.

Thanks for the links as I find this as strange as 9/11. Of all the news stories one could do, I would think the Nichols trial would be on top of my list.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:09 PM
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23. "I would think the Nichols trial would be on top of my list"
You would think that, wouldn't you. It should be BIG news. The stories are going out on the AP Wire...but few papers seem to be running them. Here in Texas we have caught one guy with a cache of automatic weapons (real automatic weapons, not the semi-auto ones that the press always gets wrong) and some sort of poisen gas bomb. We also caught a well-educated Pakistani man that was living here illegally and was trying to buy silencers and detonators. There were also three other reports of weapons found that were listed as full auto, but only one report I am sure was truly full-auto. Bet y'all heard all about this, right? Not!

When I finish The Third Terrorist I am supposed to email Jayna back and let her know what I thought of it. I'll ask her about Chandra.

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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:47 AM
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24. Please do email Jayna...
Would love to know the answer. Yeah! Why would we make up dumb terror stories when we have real ones. One thought is that they had fully automatic weapons, against the law. But it is election time.
It's really amazing to me that 9/11 and the Oklahoma Bombing has been the least reported two events in my lifetime.!!!!!!!!!!
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:08 AM
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25. Chandra Levy DID NOT work for Condit as an intern
she worked for the Bureau of Prisons as an intern as I recall. She was obviously a plaything of Condit's, though.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:27 AM
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26. If you havn't seen Skolnick's Report
Edited on Sun May-23-04 04:28 AM by DemonFighterLives
There is a lot of interesting reading there on Chandra Levy and McVeigh.
Scroll down.
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:49 PM
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27. Thanks for the link...
I'll believe anything lately. There seems to be a pattern of behavior coming to light.
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