"Kings Bay Naval Base Locked Down" (more Israeli movers!)

[Minstrel Boy]

KINGS BAY, Ga. -- A security alert at Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base led to a nearly 3-hour lockdown Friday morning when two foreign nationals attempted to get on the base.

Officials said two men, who were contracted by an Atlanta-based moving company, came to the base to help someone move. One of the men could not produce proper identification.

Then, a search dog alerted guards to a briefcase in the truck.

...

Though the briefcase did not contain any explosives, the two men were handed over to immigration officials.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/3333261/detail.html


Suspicious moving van prompt Kings Bay lockdown

The Associated Press - ST. MARYS, Ga.

...

Two Israeli men working for a moving-and-storage company attempted to enter the base about 10:30 a.m. Friday to pick up some items in base housing, said base spokesman Ed Buczek.

One of them was unable to provide security personnel with proper credentials, so base personnel and bomb-sniffing dogs inspected the van.

"The military dogs were alerted to a scent in the cab of the truck," Buczek said. "Guards closed access to the base and notified the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service."

...

Kings Bay is near Sea Island, which will host the G-8 Summit next month.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=38654

Recent thread on Israeli movers arrested in Tennessee, with info on other arrests, including on 9/11:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=543413

[maddezmom]

1. oh boy

what the hell is up?

Just to add a little more fuel to the tinfoil fire...remember the Italian seizure of the AK-47's that were on their way to GA?

[Minstrel Boy]

4. whoa, good memory!

I forgot about that.

It's a far weirder, nastier world than I thought it was for most of my life.

[maddezmom]

5. here's the DU link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=498540

[NickB79]

54. The imports were later ok'ed

I posted the story in General Discussion a few weeks ago, but the basic point of the article was that the guns were ruled legal for importaion, so they should be here already.

[maddezmom]

56. did the article say where the guns were headed?

all I remember was GA, but it didn't list the company's name.

[madrchsod]

2. but the isreali`s are our best friends

aren`t they?? wasn`t there art students or something to that effect around the time of 9-11???

[leesa]

7. Weren't the Israelis that were arrested and held briefly for celebrating

after the WTC explosions also working for a moving company which suddenly disappeared right after their release?

[BeHereNow]

11. You mean the ones dancing on the van?

The ones capturing the event on video, celebrating?
You must be an anti-semite to bring this up on this thread.
SARCASM OFF-
BHN

[NashVegas]

21. Only Until the Christian Right Has It's Way

If I were a loyal Israeli (emphasis on loyal), I might be looking to gather some US military intel, possibly to be passed to China, in the event the CCs totally assume power here.

Cause once all the self-fulfilled prophecies of the longed-for armageddon come to pass, and Jesus don't descend from the sky, Jerry Falwell and others are going to freak out. Israel will need a new defender.

[Nlighten1]

3. Is it in danger of becoming a cliche?

How many times do they have to their cover blown before they try something new?

[psychopomp]

17. They must think Americans are dense

There is scant evidence to the contrary to be found these days, unfortunately...

WTF is up? Things that make you say, "Hmmmmmm...":think:

[Free_Thinker]

6. Interesting

Kings Bay is near Sea Island, which will host the G-8 Summit next month.

Wondering, just think if something happened there wouldn't Bush use that for mileage in November?

I recall reading in 2001 about DEA and other federal buildings, not clearly advertised as such, repeated attempts to infiltrate by Israeli 'art students'.

Just too much weirdness out there.

[TahitiNut]

48. The G8 Summit is made-to-order for a 9-11 encore.

It's a prototypical al-Qaida target, symbolic of global imperialism. It's perfect for the Busholinis, potentially stampeding the "coalition of the coerced." It's Georgia. The Reich would expect a 30-point increase in polling approvals - a "bank" that would last through November.

The 2004 "Trifecta": G8 Summit "terrorism atack" in June; Olympics "terrorism atack" in August; Repugnant Convention in September.

[MisterP]

50. October:

St. Reagan dies completely, OBL captured or planted WMDs found (either might be thwarted), San Franciscans become "endangered" a la Jeb Bush and the officials saying there will be an attack before Election Day so we can't let the terrorists affect us like they did in Spain and instead let them affect us so that we vote the Glorious Leader back in

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. This is the second time in the past two weeks...

<http://www.madcowprod.com/>

[Leilani]

9. What the heck?

Why are we not hearing this on mainstream media?

These so called movers are more suspicious than any Iraqis ever were,
yet we went to war there.

[BeHereNow]

10. ANTI-SEMITISM!!!

Pay no attention to those people behind the curtain.
To dare to bring attention to this pattern!
You are clearly anti-semetic!
Defend Israel, no questions asked!
SARCASM OFF-
BHN

[T Bone]

12. makes me wonder how many times the 'movers ruse' has led to

the disappearance of valuable intelligence from our government facilities. This 'contracting out' all types of government work is going to be our downfall. Contracting and sub-contractors and pretty soon we have NO IDEA who is actually doing government work with access to secure info and data.

[burrowowl]

13. Those Israeli movers

sure get around. A couple were spotted and arrested around Cloudcroft, NM about a year ago (not that close to White sands Missile Range, but close enough, maybe).
Maybe it is a family trade thing? Some families are carpenters, electricians, firefighters, policemen, maybe some families are movers and shakers to boot.

[colonel odis]

14. weren't they using the "movers" cover a few weeks ago in east tennessee?

when they led the police on a chase through the countryside, not too terribly far from oak ridge?

yes, the israelis. our very best friends.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. Yes. Read my post #8.

[slaveplanet]

15. MinstrelBoy did you hear this

rense interview of Hopsicker, he said the INS released the 2 israelis and his PI calls the miami office and one of them answered. Dan then called the INS back and caught them in a lie. He also said that the owner of the remote storage facility in Tenn lives in NJ.
http://rense1.soundwaves2000.com:8080/ramgen/sw_archives/rense/rense05-18-04.rm

short update ?
http://rense1.soundwaves2000.com:8080/ramgen/sw_archives/rense/rense05-20-04.rm

[Minstrel Boy]

19. Thanks, I missed that.

Glad Hopsicker's on this story.

[JM]

16. I am not buying and here's why

1) We are automatically assuming that becasue the media is saying "Israeli" that these incidents are sanctioned by the government of Israel and/or are being conducted by Israeli citizens. Do we not think for a moment anyone from the surrounding area (Gaza, West Bank, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt) could possibly get an Israeli passport and speak Hebrew and pass for an Israeli?

2) Do we honestly think the Israeli intel community would try to use the same cover at all after that cover were blown? I think after the first time they tried it and got caught they would change their method.

3) If this were a Bush cabal MIHOP effort at reintroducing terror, I even doubt they would use an ally carrying the passports of an ally to pull it off. They are stupid, but I can't believe they are THAT stupid.

4) The possibility exists that Islamic Jihad and Hamas, both of whom have operations here and both of whom have a vested interest in driving a wedge between the US and Israel, would pull something off using Israeli passports.

JM

[JohnyCanuck]

18. Some of them appear to be Mossad and members or ex-members

of the Israeli armed forces, not likely to be members of Islamic Jihad or Hamas


The nation's most prominent Jewish newspaper, the New York-based Forward, also has confirmed portions of the vast spying network – although stating that the Israelis were monitoring Arabs in the United States, not trying to access U.S. secrets. Referring to the arrest of five Israeli employees of a New Jersey moving company who were arrested and held for two months after the Sept. 11 attack, Forward on March 15 stated: "According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis ... were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front."

<snip>

The author of the document is not identified. However, many DEA and other law enforcement agents are named. Three federal employees have confirmed the incidents described in the report. None disputed the authenticity of the report. One senior DEA official, when read paragraphs that mentioned him, said: "Absolutely, that's my report," adding, however, that he didn't think the incidents were sufficient to prove an ongoing spy operation. All of the federal employees said they could not be quoted by name. The specific incidents are richly chronicled, down to names, drivers' license numbers, addresses and phone numbers of the Israelis.


Perhaps most intriguing, the Israelis' military and intelligence specialties are listed: "special forces," "intelligence officer," "demolition/explosive ordnance specialist," "bodyguard to head of Israeli army," "electronic intercept operator" – even "son of a two-star (Israeli) army general."

<snip>

Some of what has seeped out is disturbing. The Oklahoman, prompted by the French articles, reported last week that 10 months ago four Israelis peddling artwork (but carrying military IDs) were detained near sensitive Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma. Le Monde in Paris recounted that six intercepted "students" had cell phones purchased by an Israeli vice consul in the United States. Sources told me that many of the phones had a walkie-talkie feature that was virtually impossible to intercept.


http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12928

[Minstrel Boy]

20. But the identities in case after case have been established as Israeli.

The 9/11 "white van" Israelis were found to have Mossad connections. And the owner of the moving company was an Israeli whose name was on a terrorism watch list, who abandoned his business three days after 9/11 to return to Israel.

One of the Israelis arrested in Tennessee a few weeks ago is the son of the speaker of the Knesset.

[JM]

22. Reply to 18 & 20

Fair enough based on the reports.

I am still wondering just what in hell they are doing though. I can't imagine Israel thinks it is in their best interest to stir up trouble in the U.S. I can guarantee you they would lose one hell of a lot of support from their own backers here. Then again, nothing stops Sharon.

Any possibility it is their own intel operation against Islamic Jihad and Hamas here and DOJ keeps blowing their cover? I would think if there were more to this, someone would be investigating the hell out of why they are merely being deported and not being dropped in a hole by Ashcroft.

As I recall, there was an Israeli cell operating in suburban Dallas that was discovered by DOJ shortly after 9/11. I also seem to recall major Islamic websites being hosted by an ISP and a subsequent raid at that ISP in Richardson TX.

I am not trying to be an Israeli apologist here, because I hate Sharon as much as anyone else. I am really wondering what else they can be up to and I doubt we are getting anywhere near the whole story.

JM

[Minstrel Boy]

31. "I am still wondering just what in hell they are doing though"

Boy, you said it!

"Any possibility it is their own intel operation against Islamic Jihad and Hamas here and DOJ keeps blowing their cover?"

I think there's something to that. If you look at the "art student" ring, it's operation seems in some respect to shadow that of the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, its national base of operation was just a few miles away from Atta and the Florida flight school. And the movers arrested on 9/11 clearly had foreknowledge. A map found in the van was reported to be highlighted in a way that indicated anticipation of the event.

My suspicion is that elements of Israeli intelligence aided that faction of US intelligence which wanted 9/11, by monitoring the progress of the patsy hijackers and acting as their "guardian angels."

Israel's about the hottest button there is, but Israel is no more Mossad than the United States is the CIA. And Bush and Sharon are cut from the same criminal cloth.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Here's a link for you to review...

Israeli Spies Exposed
April 22, 2002
<http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12928>

Excerpt:

"A major international espionage saga is unfolding across the United States. It's been pretty hush-hush so far, largely because the implications could be a major embarrassment for the government. The spy story is even more touchy because it isn't Saddam, Fidel, Osama or even what passes nowadays for the KGB spying on America – but our "friend" in the war against "evil," Israel.

The basis of the spy allegations is a 60-page document – a compilation of field reports by Drug Enforcement Administration agents and other U.S. law enforcement officials.

A copy of the report was obtained from intelligence sources with long-term contacts among both Israeli and American agencies. The government has attempted to deflect attention from earlier leaks about the spy scandal. However, while declining to confirm or deny the authenticity of the document, a spokesman for the DEA, William Glaspy, did acknowledge that the agency had received many reports of the nature described in the 60 pages. Jack Wall, DEA's supervisor in Montgomery, AL said the portions of the document pertaining to his office were "definitely" accurate."

[hang a left]

49. It would be my paranoid guess, as always.....

That if it is Israeli/Mossad Intelligence operatives, they have some inside help from our very loyal and patriotic Central Intelligence Agency, who don't willingly share information with other sources.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Right...keep believing that our "allies" won't somehow screw us over....

You do know that it is in Israel's best national interests to continue to have the U. S. invade, occupy, and otherwise destroy THEIR enemies, don't you?

You do know that the Israelis are willing to do ANYTHING to achieve THEIR goals, don't you?

[Soup Bean]

34. The Israelis caught here in upper east Tennessee were the real thing.

One even had an expired tourist visa. Inconsistencies riddled their story, and one was even the son of the Likud Party's spokesman.

Nuclear Fuel Services, which makes fuel for Navy vessels, is located about 20 miles from where they were stopped.

Kind of chilling, especially for those of us who live here.

[Jose Diablo]

23. It is past time to flush foreign agents from USA

Just because an agent is from a supposedly friendly country does not mean they should not be rounded-up and deported.

Let us be real clear on this issue. All countries operate for their own self-interest first, then allies next. To think another country is a friend in the sense of individuals being friends and behaving altruistically is naive.

The first order of business for any country should be securing the border from all foreign influences, including agents of so called allies.

This also applies to money used to influence elections and in this regard the Dem's are guilty too.

[UpInArms]

24. Israel to kill on U.S., allies'' soil

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/United%20Press%20International%20Israel%20to%20kill%20on%20U_S_,%20allies''%20soil.htm

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
From the Washington Politics & Policy Desk
Published 1/15/2003 4:17 PM
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Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted
killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials in interviews with UPI.

<snip>

Does this mean assassinations on the soil of allies?

"It does," he said.

"Mossad is definitely being beefed up," a U.S. government official said of the Israeli agency's budget increase. He declined to comment on the Tel Aviv's geographic expansion of targeted killings.

...more...

Anyone else think that this might have any bearing on all of these "movers"?

[Jose Diablo]

27. If Israel assassinates on USA soil

I would consider that to be an act of war.

Using a 'star chamber' form of judicial actions which do not give the victim recourse legally and then to perform the actual execution extra-territorially is beyond the pale for any civilized country.

Sharon and Israel under Sharon must go, along with those elements within our government that are going along with the plan. The elements within our government that allow this are acting on behalf of a foreign government. This constitutes treason against the USA.

[Just Me]

42. If the neocons are even complicit in this kind of conspiracy,...

,...I believe for the first time in my life, I would make a single exception to my anti-death-penalty stand. At least, I would be very tempted to do so.

[UpInArms]

25. double post (see #24)

sorry :(

[sofa king]

26. Jesus Christ! King's Bay is where we park our nuclear submarines.

What fool would hold a G-8 summit next to a thousand nuclear warheads? Never mind, I know that answer.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/kings_bay.htm

I wonder if Shabak is trying to do us a favor by probing our facilities.

[DemoTex]

37. This is the salient point, but it isn't mentioned in the original article!

Nuclear (aka "nukuler") subs with nuke fuel and nuke weapons. But Sea Island is 54 miles (by I-95) and 1:10 away. Sea Island is about 40 miles from the sub base, as-the-crow-flies. There are three barrier islands between Kings Bay and Sea Island (Cumberland, Jekyll, and St. Simon's). It ain't really that close, in the great scheme of things.

Garden-variety espionage, IMHO.

[Elidor]

43. I agree

It's SOP for Israel (and a number of other countries) to keep tabs on America's nuclear fleet by noting which crews are home and which are away.

The Israelis do seem to be getting sloppy lately, however. They used to be much better than this.

[xchrom]

28. israeli's conducting suspicious spy-like activity

in the u.s. -- no -- couldn't be.
sarcasm thingy.

[starroute]

32. The Israeli Mafia and Mossad may be tangled up in this

There are a lot of crooked Israeli-owned moving companies out there, and much of what they do seems to be more a matter of cheating little old ladies than of spying. The owners have Israeli (or joint Israeli-American) citizenship, and when they get in trouble, they just duck out to Israel.

This is part of a major (and not well reported) story involving what is sometimes called the Red Mafiya, or the Russian-Israeli Mafia, or a variety of other names. It goes back to the late 70's when the USSR started allowing massive emigration, first by Russian Jews and then by non-Jews as well. Most of them settled in the US (especially Brighton Beach in New York and around Bustleton Pike in Philadelphia), while others wound up in Israel.

As has been true of every other wave of immigrants, many of the newcomers turned to crime, though in the US much of it has been on the petty level of credit card fraud or these moving company scams. Some of the immigrants seem to have been criminals even back in Russia. Drugs are also part of the picture. The crack-vial case from 1994 which got Nick Berg's friend Aziz al-Taee in trouble seems to have been an operation by Russian-Jewish immigrants in the Philadelphia area.

Not all of these Russian-American gangsters are Jewish, but a majority are, and those seem particularly well organized. They have the special advantage that any Jew can get Israeli citizenship, Israel does not extradite its citizens, and there are privacy laws regarding bank accounts which make money laundering easy.

I still don't have a clear picture of the connections among these US immigrant gangsters, organized crime back in Eastern Europe, and the Mafia in Israel (which also seems to consist of former Soviet immigrants.) It seems to be more a loose network than anything more formal, but the connections are definitely there.

The Russian Mafia wields a great amount of influence in Russia and in other parts of the former Soviet Union (particularly Ukraine) and is also present in countries of Eastern Europe. But it's the Israeli Mafia which seems to be setting up as a world-wide crime syndicate. (Not that the two are completely distinct.) The Israeli Mafia largely controls the Ecstasy-smuggling trade. It's been making deals with Columbian cocaine cartels and Mexican heroin cartels. It's now becoming highly visible in Las Vegas.

The Israeli Mafia is also involved in African diamonds and gold -- both for their intrinsic value and also as another method of money laundering. There have recently been murders by them in South Africa over diamond smuggling, and there was a diamond merchant murdered in New York City just a day or two ago in a case that sounds related. (Most of the diamond merchants are elderly Hasidic Jews, which would seem to make them particularly vulnerable.)

The Likud Party is rife with corruption, much of which seems to involve the Israeli Mafia as well. There were very damaging charges being made during the last election, though Sharon managed to win the election despite them. I don't know if Mossad is actually working with the Israeli Mafia, the way the CIA worked with the original Mafia in the years after World War II, or if they're just using the Israeli Mafia for plausible deniability. Or perhaps Sharon finds the Israeli Mafia a convenient way to bypass Mossad.

"Murky" doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here. But there is a pattern emerging of criminal and espionage activities going hand and hand, and it's extremely ugly.

[starroute]

35. More on that murdered diamond merchant

http://www.wnbc.com/news/3335453/detail.html

A Diamond District merchant gunned down on a Midtown street may have been murdered because of possible ties to the Russian mob, NewsChannel 4 reported.

Police said Eduard Nektalov was gunned down on Sixth Avenue during the Thursday night rush hour.

Investigators now say the shooting may have been a hit, and are investigating if Nektalov was linked to Russian mobsters.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_052104_shootingnoon.html

Murdered Diamond District Merchant Was Focus of June '03 Raid

(New York-WABC, May 21, 2004) — A murder on the streets of Midtown in broad daylight. It's not something you expect to see during rush hour. The execution-style shooting happened at 48th Street and Sixth Avenue.

<snip>

It was on Sixth Avenue in the middle of the sidewalk, that a man shot him three times; once in the head, twice in the back, then ran away. No one else was hurt, but plenty of witnesses saw what happened.

Police were there in minutes, with some company -- Candace Bergen and Lorraine Bracco were celebrity guests that night on a police ride-along.

Also within minutes, police were able to identify Nektalov as the target of a raid investigators made last June. Police say the man shot was supposed to be in court in July on charges that he and others were making millions in a criminal triangle of Colombian drug dealers, jewelers and money launderers.

[seemslikeadream]

59. Maybe this Ukrainian or others at the link have a connection

By Matthew Brunwasser


The scene in Leonid Minin's hotel room on the night of August 4, 2000 could have been taken from a Quentin Tarrantino film: Minin, a pale Ukrainian, abundantly fleshy and naked, freebasing cocaine, flanked by a quartet of Russian, Albanian, Italian and Kenyan prostitutes. A pornographic film flickers in the background. Minin, the majority owner of the Europa Hotel in Cinisello Balsamo, a small town outside Milan, Italy, has transformed his two-room suite into a bedroom/office and den of debauchery.

Then, without warning, the police arrive at Room 341, putting an end to the party and derailing the career of a prominent international gun smuggler and high-level leader of the so-called "Odessa Mafia."

Although local police supposedly raided Minin's hotel on a tip from an unpaid prostitute, FRONTLINE/World has acquired a report that shows the Milan customs police had had Minin under surveillance since 1992 while investigating an international criminal organization involved in laundering international drug money through the foreign bank accounts of Italian businessmen. The report also says that in 1997 Italian intelligence services conducted a "complex investigation on a criminal group of Ukrainian origins associated with the so-called 'Russian Mafia' and involved in international arms and drug trafficking, money laundering, extortion and other offenses. This group is headed by the Ukrainian businessman Leonid Minin."

Incriminating Evidence

That hot August evening in Cinisello Balsamo, police found $500,000 worth of uncut diamonds. Later analysis found most came from Russia -- no African origins could be confirmed despite the diamond scales later found in Minin's Liberian office. They found a duffel bag filled with more than $35,000 in American, Italian, Hungarian and Mauritian currency. From a briefcase and piles scattered around the rooms, police collected 1,500 documents -- in Russian, Ukrainian, French, German, Dutch, English and Italian -- relating to Minin's wide variety of business operations. Specific findings included documents on his dealings in oil, timber and consumer goods; an inquiry by Minin into providing Nigeria's mobile phone network; a follow-up by a colleague on Minin's proposal to sell a Ukrainian aircraft carrier to Turkey; an offer from Minin's Beijing representative asking him to ascertain whether Liberian President Charles Taylor would be interested in establishing diplomatic relations with mainland China; correspondence between Minin and President Charles Taylor's son "Chuckie"; and a record of a $10,263.02 payment to Marc Rich, best known for his 11th-hour pardon from President Clinton on charges of fraud and extortion. Rich's oil company, Glencore, once shared a London phone number with one of Minin's companies Galaxy Management.

more
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/minin.html


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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Fri May-21-04 04:43 PM
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5. LEONID MININ FACT SHEET


LEONID MININ
FACT SHEET
BORN:
December 14, 1947, Odessa, U.S.S.R. (Ukraine).

PASSPORTS ISSUED:
U.S.S.R.
Russia (2/2/95)
Germany (1/14/90; Igor Limar, 2/8/90)
Bolivia (2/9/89)
Israel (3/6/75; 11/6/94)

ALIASES:
Leon Minin, Wulf Breslav (DOB: 7/10/44), Leonid Bluvshtein, Leonid Bluvstein, Igor Osols, Vladimir Abramovich Kerler, Igor Limar.

KNOWN BUSINESS ACTIVITIES:
Oil, electricity, timber, small arms, Russian icons, diamonds and gems (Russian and possibly African), consumer goods, prefabricated homes. Investigated in several European countries for money laundering and cocaine trafficking.

LANGUAGES:
Russian (native), Ukrainian (native), English, German, French, Italian.

PASTIMES:
Cocaine, $500-a-night prostitutes.

MOST RECENTLY:
Presently in Vigevano prison outside Milan, Italy. Faces possible 12 years. Still no decision on trial date.

more
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/minin.html

[RainDog]

64. another co-inky-dence

over the last week or two I heard a guy on some news show on tv who was talking about the terrorists, just before 911, pulling their money out of banks and buying diamonds.

the guy said the diamonds were easy to store/carry, could not be tracked like money in a bank,

and now I just read this and wonder if there is a connection.

I should go look for a link...does someone else here remember or know about the guy I heard? It would most likely have been on pbs, cnn, or c-span.

[Minstrel Boy]

36. Hopsicker story here,

plus an update on the Tennessee incident and a video report:

http://www.madcowprod.com/

[Jose Diablo]

38. OK, material thrown from van during pursuit turns out to be

culture media for growing bacteria. Let me see, anthrax growers?

And the federal authorities released them to INS for deportation back to Israel?

Who's side is the federal authorities on? Conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact?

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

40. Hmmmm. Movers & bioculture medium? Now, those two go together. NOT

If there's a biological attack in the US, I will not have any problem pointing the figure first at Israel.

I'm so sick of the Israeli government feeling like it needs to manipulate the US into assisting with their Zionist plans. Give it a break. The US is Israel's ally, so no need to kill our citizens to prop-up your domestic plans.

JB

[hedda_foil]

44. OMG! The Tennessee Israelis were arrested near a nuclear fuel storage

The Tennessee Israelis were arrested just one turnoff from a major nuclear fuel storage facility. With both sets of "movers" caught so close to nuclear facilities, my tinfoil hat is revolving like a top. Okay, I'll say it. Is there a possibility that the Israelis (with obvious administration/neocon approval and cover) are working very hard to pull a major MIHOP involving a real nuclear explosion?

The administration is trying very hard to prepare us for such an event by "terrorists." In fact, that's exactly what's being discussed on Wolf Blitzer's show right this minute.

This is starting to freak me out bigtime.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

39. Movers has been done to death. What's next? Israeli florists? Milkmen?

I'm so f@cking sick of Israeli intelligence meddling in US affairs.

GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. Sow your seeds of chaos and destruction elsewhere.

JB

[donsu]

41. whats to say smirk and Sharon both know what's going on with movers

smirk needs another 9/11 - Sharon could provide it

[hedda_foil]

45. See my post #44 and watch the Hopsicker video.

[Minstrel Boy]

46. I doubt the movers could operate without the knowing wink of some

elements of US intelligence.

[Free_Thinker]

47. Another weird incident

Test-run?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/05/18/464684-ap.html
3 Israelis arrested after drawing toy guns during flight in Panama
May 18, 2004

PANAMA CITY (AP) - At least three Israelis were being held by Panamanian authorities Tuesday after pulling out toy plastic pistols during a commercial flight and shooting a plastic projectile at a passenger, Panamanian authorities said Tuesday.

The Israelis were arrested Sunday during a stopover on a flight from Peru to Colombia and were being investigated to explain their actions, said Ramiro Jarvis, head of Panama's National Security and Defence Council. "There's nothing to indicate that we are dealing with groups intent on carrying out acts of terror," said Jarvis, who called the toy gunplay an act of tremendous irresponsibility.


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5226590
Panama Deports Three Israelis in Airline Gun Scare
Sat May 22, 2004 08:02 PM ET

PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Panama on Saturday deported three of six Israeli men arrested after they displayed fake 9 mm pistols during a Copa Airlines flight from Peru to Colombia, authorities said.

The men, all in their 20s, were arrested at Panama City's Tocumen Airport on May 16 following the incident, deputy immigration director Javier Tapia told Reuters.

[hedda_foil]

51. According to Hopsicker, the Tennessee nuclear facility

According to Hopsicker, the Tennessee nuclear facility is the only facility in the US that stores nuclear submarine fuel. That is a little bit too much of a coinkydink for me ... two Israeli moving trucks in two weeks around the place where the nuclear fuel is stored and the place where the subs are based.

[Minstrel Boy]

52. A kick for the discomforting truth n/t

[ursacorwin]

53. kick!

because this is beyond incredible if true.
and yes, i'm with starroute- mossad = international drug trade.

[Dhalgren]

55. Unfuckin' believable!

Kick, kick, kick!!!

[BeHereNow]

57. Sibel Edmunds...

Somehow, I think she holds the key.
Can't find the link just now, but I recall
a poster sharing an interview with her stating
that Americans would freak if they knew
the countries involved in some HIGHLY illegal
things going on in the US.
Sibel, we need to know.
So what if they ordered a gag on you?
They break the law all day every day.
BHN

[Alerter_]

58. Edmonds said a "foreign" intelligence service was openly recruiting

in the FBI translators office.

[slaveplanet]

62. here behere

Explosive new Sibel Edmonds interview


Very important, lengthy interview with the former FBI translator published today. Get a load of this - she's pointing her finger at the BCCI/BFEE Octopus, not "al Qaeda."


JH: I understand why you can't say anything about this, but there are several books out about the Bush ties to the Saudis and the bin Ladens in particular. And in David Griffin's book, The New Pearl Harbor, there is a very good synopsis of the ISI, which is the Pakistani intelligence service. He shows the direct connections between the CIA, the ISI, and Mohamed Atta. He makes a very convincing case that the Pakistani ISI had been helping to plan 9/11 for a long time.

I don't imagine that you are allowed to say much about that.

SE: You are correct. But I can tell you that the issue, on one side, boils down to money--a lot of money. And it boils down to people and their connections with this money, and that's the portion that, even with this book, has not been mentioned to this day. Because then it starts touching some people in high places.

JH: Can you explain more about what money you are talking about?

SE: The most significant information that we were receiving did not come from counter-terrorism investigations, and I want to emphasize this. It came from counter-intelligence, and certain criminal investigations, and issues that have to do with money laundering operations.

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.

JH: Let me read you a short quote from Dr. Griffin's book, quoting from War and Globalization: The Truth Behind September 11 by Michel Chossudovsky and ask you to comment on it. "...The transfer of money to Atta <$325,000>, in conjunction with the presence of the ISI chief in Washington during the week, is the missing link behind 9/11....The evidence confirms that al-Qaeda is supported by Pakistan's ISI (and it is amply documented that) the ISI owes its existence to the CIA."

SE: I cannot comment on that. But I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

[Minstrel Boy]

60. organized crime and intelligence agencies

Where does one end, and the other begin? Their interests have been dovetailing for decades, now more than ever.

Intelligence agencies such as Mossad and the CIA are known to be in the drug business. This isn't tinfoil. This is the hard truth of deep politics.

If it seems as though the United States is governed by the Mafia, it's because it's actually ruled by a drug cartel.

[seemslikeadream]

61. I'm trying to keep up with ya

[smiley_glad_hands]

63. Kings Bay is very important Naval Base there.

Its nice to know that security is working there.