Asscroft and Mueller on TV now doing their patriotic

[Auntie Bush]

duty of diverting media attention away from the Bush failures and torture news. Listen now as to why we should all be scared to death.

[graywarrior]

1. I shut it off already

[TahitiNut]

20. I had to walk away.

I find myself so disgusted and appalled by Ashcroft, I don't think I'll ever visit Missouri again. Indeed, if he were in government in any other country, I'd probably never visit that country. He's insane. He's really insane. A real megalomaniacal, 'voices in his head' lunatic.

[saigon68]

36. He's a WHACK JOB alright-- there are lots of crazy understudies

too.

The only good thing AQ can say is that when they yell Wolf for years -- no one will notice, the next outrage as it develops and its too late to stop it.

asscrap would love martial law better anyway. I wonder if he looked at the naked POW pictures and obtained arousal ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. One note

all the rest have been scripted, they have given way too many
specifics... this may be the real deal

Problem is... they have screamed wolf so many times that we are
all very cynical right now

[graywarrior]

3. We all knew it would happen around this time

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes, we all knew it

which means we can think our way out of a wet paper bag

This time in the early part they gave specifics that they have
never before done

Either they added them to give it an air of credibiltiy, or... keep your eyes open

As I said, they have screamned wolf too many times and right now a reporter is asking that question.

[Auntie Bush]

6. Maybe the title of the post should have been..Asscroft crieswolf again.

Maybe this time for real! :scared:

[Just Me]

10. I have to agree.

I just wonder whether what we will witness is a domestic act or an international act. Since 2000, there have been 23 X more domestic acts of terror than international.

Moreover, I wonder how the American people will respond. Will they be pissed or scared shitless or confused or what? Will they willingly give up more freedoms? Will they switch into more of the "revenge and kill" mode such that the neocons can advance their war in the ME?

I worry about the future,...not so much because acts of terror will occur as they always have in one form or another,...but because we have some really insane people in charge of this country willing to instigate a world war that could destroy us all.

[dolo amber]

14. Just MHO

Will they be pissed or scared shitless or confused or what? Will they willingly give up more freedoms?

The RW has their base foaming at the mouth, totally psyched and ready for a police state...Any resistance will have to come from our side, and you see how well we do that...:eyes:

I'm just sayin, is all...

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Oh no argument from me

look at how oh England has responded to terror over the years.

Look at how we are screaming.

It shows how immature we are as a society, or the people in
charge being very cynical about it

the more they change the society due to the terror threat (real or imagined), the more the terrorist wins. There are two main objectives to terror:

1.- Change the nature of the society that is under attack

2.- Force the society under attack to change its behaviour (and where the RW foams at the mouth with Spain, never mind they are wrong)

So if you judge the war on terror from these objectives... Al Qaida is wining... they have managed to change our society where people are willing to accept security over liberty.

[aquart]

11. Name one specific.

Time: all summer and fall. Funny about that.

Place: Anywhere in America. Maybe the conventions. Funny about that.

Method: Anything nasty.

Who: Could be anybody: family groups, Europeans, Asians, blacks, ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!

But look for these 7 we can't find and have no clue if they're here or anyplace else.

Yeah. Real specific.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Ok you asked

those seven, two of them were involved in the bombings of embassies and are well known by Intel people...

The changing face of AQ has been discused by Intelligence and
Terorrism experts for YEARS now... just that this is the first
tiem YOU see them say it.

I used to work in an emergency service, and these are specifics, the seven, that usually get me going hmmm

These are far more specific than they have ever gotten

[charlyvi]

24. If two of them are well known by...

Intel people, my question is how in hell did they get here in the first place. If Asswipe's Patriot Act is so friggin' good, why weren't they intercepted? Oh, I forgot. Not supposed to question. Sorry

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. If they are in the country

that is not an iddle question and leads to the next question...

Why didn't the CIA share this info with Border Patrol? Or the Immigration Service? Wasn't that comparmentalization suposed to stop AFTER 9.11? Or assuming the FBI had them in the list, which is a fair assumption since FBI investigated those bombings, why didn't FBI share that list wiht oh Immigration (now in the Department of Homeland Security?)

Those are the questions you need to be asking... if you decice to take this brief with a smaller grain of salt.

And did not say don't question, but two of them are well known... they were behind the bombings in Africa, so IF they are in the Country, why weren't they stopped at the border?

I can ALMOST bet Canadian border... not becuase of Canada, but because that is our true hole when it comes to these boys coming in. that border is the least guarded of all our borders and the easiest to enter the US from.. and it is OUR fault, not the RCMP

[belle]

33. Yeah, all summer and fall. But...

After, oh, say, early November, we should all be fine, though. :eyes:

[charlyvi]

4. Good....

The more Asscroft talks the faster Bush* walks......right back to Crawford. No one, I mean NO ONE, with one ounce of intellect or integrity thinks this idiot is anything other than a rabidly partisan, depraved, lying, amoral, repressive, statue covering cutthroat. Just my opinion.

[icymist]

5. Here, In Seattle, John Kerry just spoke, then is upstaged by Ass...

Croft! F**King American media!

[Gin]

12. asscroft said this threat is a "reminder" to the people..

That tells me it's not new but it's "reminding" us to be afraid...and the poll numbers are tanking....be very afraid.

[Auntie Bush]

13. I saw that and was outraged! I just wonder how much torture

many people had to go through to get all that information and how reliable it is under the circumstances? He is probably right about an up coming attack...but I'm suspect of the timing of this report. What makes me mad is Asscroft will claim credit when we do have an attack and say they were right all along to take away our rights and OK to torture people. See...it was worth it...I told you so! :puke:

[Just Me]

21. The other thingy that pissed me off was the Madrid reference,...

,...Asscroft insisting that aQ got the results they wanted. He is so full of crock to even imply such crap!!! That was nothing BUT political propaganda at play!!! Asshole.

[oblivious]

41. Especially since Al-qaeda was not responsible for the Madrid bombing

I guess Ashchoft does not read his own intelligence. Doesn't the bullshit just wear ya down?

Officials: Group tying self to blasts may not be real

By Bryan Bender
and Farah Stockman, Globe Staff, 3/13/2004

WASHINGTON -- A group purporting to be part of Al Qaeda that claimed responsibility for the Madrid train bombings and warned of a looming attack on the United States seems to be a phantom organization, according to US intelligence officials and terrorism specialists.

...But specialists say there is no evidence the organization exists... But none of those claims has proved true, intelligence specialists say.

Another US intelligence official said, "This group, organization, or whatever it is, is a phantom."

...none of the brigade's e-mails has ever proved authentic, Venzke said.

Larry Mefford, executive assistant director for counterterrorism at the FBI, told Congress that the group's terrorism claims were "wishful thinking."

"We have no information confirming the actual existence of this group,"

...Venzke said: "They started claiming responsibility for just about everything in the world. We've never been able to determine if it is just one person sitting at a computer having fun or if it really is a group."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/13/officials_group_tying_self_to_blasts_may_not_be_real/

[rkc3]

7. The big question is...

has bush attended any of these briefings or is he as unaware as he was back in the summer of 2001?

It does surprise me to know they've put such a definite time frame to the attacks - through the summer and up to the election. Maybe OBL is cooperating with bush and providing better clues to the administration on future attacks.

[Auntie Bush]

17. After what happened in Italy...didn't everyone already know we

would have an attack before the election. If/when we have one Asscroft will claim credit for predicting it. Wow! What a great American hero! :puke:

[0007]

40. You mean Spain don't you?

[dolo amber]

9. Hmmm...

Where have I heard this one before...:freak:

They've Chicken Little-d the American public to death with this already...:boring:

[AlCzervik]

15. The boogey man's a coming

[keithyboy]

16. I got it: They hate us for our FEAR!!!

:eyes:

[w4rma]

19. There is nothing patriotic about those two, imho. (nt)

[madrchsod]

23. chicken little

THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING !!!!!!!

[PA Democrat]

25. Of the 7 people identified

SIX have been on the FBI's watch list for at least a year. Only ONE of the people was a new name (the American citizen who converted to Islam). This according to Peter Bergen.

I never considered myself a cynic in the past. But since bush has been in the WH, I believe NOTHING from these guys' mouths.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Which leads to the questions Bergen did not ask

and the questions you should ask

After 9.11 that compartmentalization between services was suposed
to stop and Intel should be shared between all departments. So
why or how did these boys come in? Wasn't DHS informed, and if so, why not? And if DHS was informed, why wasn't Immigration informed so they woudl be on the alert?

As to the American Citizen, why haven't we closed all Wahabi operatons in the US? They may be justifiably seen as a Fifth Column. (no not all Muslims before anybody jumps, just the Wahabbi Mosques and yhouth movements financed by the Saudis... and they are here)

Though catching an American Citizen will be harder, becuae of US Protections and this should remain such.

These are the questions that nobody is willing to ask... if you take the brief with a smaller grain of salt than usual, whicih I do, because of some of the details... they were ahem, close to what experts have been speaking of over the last two years.

[charlyvi]

26. Ridge said he will not increase....

the terror level warning. So if this is so urgent, why not? Does anyone know what they are doing in this administration. Sorry, I forgot who I was talking about there for a minute.

[AlinPA]

27. This whole thing was scripted by Rove; they will roll it out chapter by

chapter over the next 5 months. The next thing you will see will be Bush* in the war room "working to save us all". On Fox "News", CNN you will hear "Thank God for our leader" and "Thank God for our commander-in-chief".

[graywarrior]

30. They could care less about us

Get ready, they're coming...we don't know when, where or what kind, but "every man for himself," plastic and duct tape, walk in two's to the chamber, shut the ef up and stop thinking.
November can't come soon enough. Let's just hope we aren't sent to our rooms for the entire month. Ash-hole.

[bluedog]

29. group to watch

remember 9-11.............check on where FEMA is going to be.........

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

32. Setup City.

We knew this was gonna happen-- saw it blaring on FAUX this morning (I was captive-- I was in a VA Hospital waiting room) and it was just so surreal. They might as well have been shouting "DISTRACTION!!!" over and over!

[Catfight]

34. Will they target American weddings? Seems an eye for an eye.

Then Bush's marriage crusade will take a hit. He is really the worst piece of crap for a human being I've had to be forced to watch. His dumbass parents were on TV yakking about how it's hard to hear the criticism of their inept failure of a son. This is what happens when children are in charge, time for a real man and adult to take the wheel and steer America BACK on the correct path. I wish Bush was thrown out today!

[Parche]

35. terra terra

Danger danger


Terrorism has been around for 200 years
Did other Presidents ever do this kind of crap
trying to scare the uneducated Americans?

[Claire Beth]

37. yeah.... the ratings are down for * so...

now they must try to SCARE everyone!

[ignatius]

38. Hitler's men, they do the fuhrer proud.

n/t

[HuckleB]

39. Today: DIVERTING FROM ASHCROFT GETTING BLASTED BY THE 9TH!

I've got little doubt that the timing of this was to blunt the news about the 9th's decision on Oregon's Death With Dignity law. Ashcroft got blasted, as he well should have. Few will ever know, however.