Gore: Rumsfeld, Rice, Tenet Should Resign

[UpInArms]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-gore,0,5260607.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

NEW YORK -- Al Gore issued a fiery denunciation Wednesday of Bush administration policy in Iraq and demanded the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, CIA director George Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

In a speech at New York University, the Democratic former vice president said the situation in Iraq is out of control.

"I am calling today for Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Dick Cheney, who are most responsible for creating the catastrophe we are facing in Iraq," Gore said, drawing strong applause from the partisan crowd.

"Donald Rumsfeld ought to resign immediately!" Gore bellowed. "Our nation is at risk every single day Rumsfeld remains as secretary of defense. We need someone with good judgment and common sense."

...more...

[russian33]

1. Just read the whole speech...

....brilliant! President Gore at his best!

[Jack from Charlotte]

16. Agreed. It was brilliantt and blistering. He laid the blame of the...

shameful behavior of the Iraqi prison tortue by American soldiers right at AWOL/Moron's feet. Quoted the White House moron who said the Geneva Accords need not be recognized. He also said though he disagreed with the 5 right wing Supreme Court judges decision to stop the Florida recount but since this country is a country of laws, he abided by that decision. Yet, AWOL/Moron has repeatedly acted contrary to US laws.

This was a kick ass blistering of The AWOL/Moron.

[Tellurian]

24. "Gore Unleashed on Bush"..

I Love those Words!

albeit a bit late..

More of Gore Unleashed:

"Gore also argued that the abuse of Iraqi inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison was not the result of "a few bad apples" but "the natural consequence of the Bush administration policy."

"He said reservists photographed abusing prisoners "were clearly forced to wade into a moral cesspool designed by the Bush White House," which, he said, had abandoned the Geneva Conventions."

paraphrasing...at the end of Gore's speech, he cautions Kerry on verbalizing his future plans for Iraq because of the ever changing climate of the war.

[JoFerret]

27. Must see speech. Catch it on C-Span

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[Jersey Devil]

36. The news stories do not do the speech justice

It was a masterpiece. It makes me very sad to know that we missed out on such a fine man as our President.

[judge_smales]

2. Where has Rice been latelty?

She kinda dissapeared back in March.

[Beetwasher]

4. Does Anyone Remember When Bush Put Rice In Charge of Iraq?

Whatever happened to that? Down the memory hole I guess.

[UpInArms]

12. Rice will manage Iraq's 'new phase'

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-10-06-rice-iraq_x.htm

Posted 10/6/2003 10:02 PM Updated 10/7/2003 6:52 AM

WASHINGTON — President Bush is giving his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, the authority to manage postwar Iraq and the rebuilding of Afghanistan.

While some saw it as a sign of frustration with the handling of postwar efforts, Bush and other officials said the move is a logical next step and reflected no dissatisfaction with progress.

"We want to cut through the red tape and make sure that we're getting the assistance there quickly so that they can carry out their priorities," Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said. "It's a new phase, a different phase we're entering."

Rice will head the Iraq Stabilization Group, which will have coordinating committees on counterterrorism, economic development, political affairs and media messages. Each committee will be headed by a Rice deputy and include representatives of the State, Defense and Treasury departments and the CIA.

McClellan said the change is no indication of discontent with progress in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld or Paul Bremer, head of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Bremer will continue to report to Rumsfeld, and the Pentagon will still be "the lead agency," he said.

<snip>

The new structure will give Bush's top White House aides a stronger voice in decisions and will make the president more directly accountable. Because of their close relationship, many people will assume Bush signed off on Rice's decisions.

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So when will he be "held accountable"?

[Beetwasher]

13. Thanks! That Was Totally Forgotten By Just About Everyone!

But there it is!

[onehandle]

9. Writing her resume.

Repainting her name on her oil tanker.

Having a fresh stick inserted into her butt.


Take your pick.

[0007]

22. "Pin the Tail on the Donkey"

Did Condi know about the Abu Ghraib abuse? Doesn't Rummy & Colin work for Condi?

In my opinion Rummy knew. Colin, maybe not? Condi, no. junior, yes.

junior has a fascination with playing cards with picture of the enemy and keeping score as they were eliminated. With this in mind, I'm more than positive that junior saw many photos from the Abu Ghraib prison and other prisons.

[Tight_rope]

32. Yeah...where is Condi?

She is suppose to be pResident Bushit right hand (wo)man. She should resign. She failed to help him when he fell of his bike on Saturday. She's totally slacking on the job. She "MUST" be "IMPEACHED".:toast:

[maggrwaggr]

50. Isn't she in this picture?

Lower right hand corner?

[Cheswick2.0]

65. yes, but she's put on weight

It looks good on her.

[w4rma]

3. President Gore is exactly correct.

I noticed that the AP only published a tiny little article on this, though, as they seem to do when Democrats speak publically.

[trogdor]

5. Heard the sound bite on the radio.

Al Gore was highly PISSED OFF.

[Jackson4Gore]

7. Leave comments for Gore

We now have an open thread on the Al Gore Support Center to respond to Mr. Gore's speech today, with the transcript and news story. You don't even have to be a member today to post in this thread. We wish all of you will thank Mr. Gore for this great speech!

Here is the link: http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=newsalerts&action=display&num=1085577079

Simply click reply on the thread and post your comments about the speech to Mr. Gore!

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com /

Thanks and God Bless!

[Bandit]

10. Al Gore was highly PISSED OFF.

As any real Patriotic American should be.

[KoKo]

6. I'm convinced the "Terra" Alert was designed just to upstage this speech.

Everytime Gore gives a speech they manange to stage an event. Their campaign against Democrats and Gore never rests. And, even our own Democrats take scant notice of Gore probably because they are ashamed of themselves for not supporting him during his campaign and through the "Selection."

Repugs and Dems are to blame for this Hell we live in along with our Prava Press.

[dave29]

8. hear hear

It's time to clean house.

[Cooley Hurd]

39. Yep, I agree...

Mueller & Ashcroft were supposed to speak earlier in the day but for some reason kept on putting it off until Gore started speaking.

Good catch, KoKo.:thumbsup:

[gratuitous]

11. I like it!

Call for resignation; keep using words such as "incompetent" and "catastrophe" and hit 'em again harder.

Myself, I wouldn't call for resignations. I'd mobilize the cops, fan out through DC, and urge Rummy, Rice, and Tenet to just give themselves up.

[bullimiami]

14. Gore for VP

Why not?
I didnt put him on my list or see him on anyone elses'.

He is smart and has lots of experience.

[rexcat]

20. Actually he should be President NOW!!!!

[LeftHander]

15. (Vice) President GORE!!!

GO!

Damnit!

After they resign then kick the rest of the liars out!

[OneBlueSky]

17. damn . . . it's about time that a prominent Democrat . . .

took on BushCo with both barrels and told the truth . . . THIS is how we win the election: by telling the truth in no uncertain terms . . . not by pussyfooting around for fear of offending the moderates . . . moderates are abandoning BushCo in droves, and telling it like it is will not offend them . . . it will show them that we Democrats understand what's happening in this country and are ready to make some dramatic changes in foreign and domestic policy . . . kudos to Al Gore for a brilliant, powerful, unambiguous attack on the worst administration this country has ever seen . . . he said what's needed to be said for a long, long time . . .

[SoCalDem]

18. They should have been FIRED...on 9/12/01

I think I could have actually "supported" Bush (for a while) if he had had the GUTS to announce that the THREE people whose jobs it was, to inform him of the danger, had FAILED...and were FIRED..

THAT would have showed leadership.....Especially if he had convened a summit on 9/13 of all the world leaders AND the Clinton cabinet..to discusss how to "get these guys"..

[oldhat]

19. Gore to Bush: OWN3D!!!!!!!!11

[goclark]

21. Wish we could revisit

the last selection. Wish that Gore could have been more then like he is today..he has finally found his voice.

[AlGore-08.com]

55. This drives me crazy - - he WAS like this in 2000

The media did not cover anything he said or did - - they either ignored him or ridiculed him. The "Gore lacked passion in 2000" is bs from the corporte media elite because Gore "lacked passion" about cutting estate taxes, the only issue they care about! Gore's passion about the environment, civil rights, economic justice - - that was all brushed aside as "Gore's failed populism".

He saved the life of my best friend's son by publically demanding Aetna provide the insurance coverage they were legally obligated to do - - and spent all 2000 talking about the h*ll that Aetna put them through, without ever taking credit for getting Ian's coverage restored: http://www.babyian.com

Here are some excerpts from a couple 2000 speeches:
The beginning of his remarks on November 27th contesting the Florida vote count
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpEZyAFEAFbYKpmFhT.shtml
Every four years, there is one day when the people have their say. In many ways the act of voting and having that vote counted is more important than who wins the majority of the votes that are cast. Because whoever wins, the victor will know that the American people have spoken with a voice made mighty by the whole of its integrity.

On that one day every four years, the poor as well as the rich, the weak as well as the strong, women and men alike, citizens of every race, creed and color, of whatever infirmity or political temper all are equal. They are equal, that is, so long as all of their votes are counted.

A vote is not just a piece of paper. A vote is a human voice, a statement of human principle, and we must not let those voices be silenced. Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long this nation’s laws and democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count.


The end of his October 14th speech at Wayne State University
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpEyAuVZEyAsTXRtOZ.shtml
When you leave this place, I want you to think long and hard about what you personally will say to one of your neighbors or one of your friends who, in an idle moment says: "I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, what do you think?" I want you to arm yourselves, I want you to arm yourselves not only with the names Gore and Lieberman and Stabenow and Kilpatrick and all the other candidates that you support. I don't want you to just say "Vote for Al Gore". I want you to arm yourselves with the arguments about these issues that we've discussed here. Take some time to tell them that prosperity itself is on the ballot this fall.

Prosperity itself is at stake in this election. Jobs are at stake. Families are at stake. Health care, our schools, the environment - - they're at stake. Social Security is on the ballot this fall. Medicare is on the ballot this fall. Prescription drugs are on the ballot this fall. Civil Rights are on the ballot this fall.

Now, after you have given your choice and after you have given them your reasons, then I want you to give something else. And this is the last thing I'm going to ask you for. It's something that is difficult for you to give. It's something that people hardly ever give any more. I want to ask you to open your hearts and push past any fear of disillusionment, push past any fear of disappointment, push past any fear of having a broken heart, once you have invested your heart in the outcome of this election and in your choice for the future of our nation. Too many good people with high ideals and strong dreams have themselves decided to remain at arm's length from the political process, because they believe their hearts are brittle. And they don't want to get too involved, because if they get their hopes up, their hopes might be shattered. If they get their dreams invested in a particular outcome, then they think they might be disappointed and they may not be able to handle it.

Hear me well: your hearts are not brittle. Our country is not brittle. Your future is at stake. We need you - - not only to give them your choice and to give them the reasons - - give them your passion. If anybody is cynical, if anybody says it doesn't make a difference who wins, it doesn't make a difference which agenda governs us over the next four years, it doesn't make a difference the direction we take, I want you to tell them: "Wait a minute! I know for a fact that it makes a difference. It makes a difference to me. It makes a difference to you. It makes a difference to your family." And one of the reasons is it makes a difference if you have a President who's willing to fight for you. I ask for your passion, I want your hearts, I want your vote, I want your enthusiasm, because I want to fight for you! I want to fight for your families! I want to fight for Michigan, and Detroit and your future! God bless you. Let's win this election!


The end of his 2000 speech to the NAACP
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpkAuFlEFZeDtlVuMP.shtml
Talk doesn't cost much. The true test is to come here to Baltimore and vow to appoint a Supreme Court that lives up to the legacy of this city's greatest son, Thurgood Marshall, and interprets the Constitution in the way our founders intended it to be interpreted, not to give a commitment to the far right wing to stack that court, because stacking the court would threaten civil rights and threaten the fundamental guarantees of liberty in this country.

And when there is a closed-door meeting with the far-right-wing representatives and they come out and say that, "We heard everything we needed to hear about the Supreme Court," that may not be public, but it is not difficult to understand.

Talk doesn't cost much. The true test is telling Trent Lott and Tom DeLay the time has come for a tough new law against hate crimes because they are different.

We need to pass hate crimes legislation, because when we don't stamp out the sparks of hatred, we risk a fire at the very foundation of our house.

And when James Byrd is dragged to his death behind a pickup truck, then the governor of his home state ought to at least heed the family's plea for action.

In the words of James Byrd's nephew, "I asked him personally if he would use his influence to help pass the bill, and he told me no."

One brief sentence that said the word "yes" would have mattered a whole lot more to the cause of justice than a whole speech that didn't even mention hate crimes, the future of the Supreme Court, taking down the Confederate flag, ending racial profiling or defending affirmative action or Bob Jones University. One sentence with the word "yes" would have mattered a whole lot more.

I'm not asking you to read my lips, I'm asking you to read my heart and watch my feet and watch the work of my hands when joined with yours.

Standing together, marching together, we have a lot of work to do.

Let's heed the lessons of Clarence Mitchell, Charles Hamilton Houston, Roy Wilkens and Ben Hooks, Rosa Parks. Let's fight together. Let's struggle together. Allow yourselves to believe that we can do the right thing and be the better for it.

Let's make this country what it is intended to be. Let's rise above our differences. Let's establish respect for difference. Let's pass the legislation. Let's make the march that will take us to the mountaintop of justice and prosperity and progress and freedom for all of the people of the United States of America.

I want your help. I want to fight for you. I want to fight for your families and the future of America.

[Cheswick2.0]

67. Thank you

It seems even democrats need to be disabused of right wing, Nader (and sorry to say this DLC) talking points.

[cal04]

23. Webcast on Moveon

Al Gore Speaks on Fear: Its Political Uses and Abuses

Al Gore delivered the keynote address at New School University's conference on Fear: It's Political Uses and Abuses. The conference brought together leading scholars, journalists and writers to examine issues related to fear and it's role in today's political climate.

View the webcast
Read the transcript
http://www.moveon.org/front/

[Disturbed]

25. GW Bush & Cheney

I strongly feel that Gore should ahvwe put those names in the front of the list of War Criminals that have disgraced the USA!

[JoFerret]

26. There's a long list it's true. But....

...thanks Al.

[JoFerret]

28. Listening to the speech now on C-Span

Thanks Al.

Catch it if you can. Bakes sales for body armor. The worst still lies ahead....we are looking into the abyss.

More - the growing libray of books.
He lays it out ...in his truthful, endearing, pedantic manner.
the Mayberry Machiavellis

[JoFerret]

29. Gore calls for top officials to resign WAPO

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20040527/pl_washpost/a57543_2004may26

[JoFerret]

30. Go Al

This group of incompentents who have created this disaster for America......Gore names it/ lables it/ lays it our. read it. Thank you Al.

Get the rest of that team out right now. Listen to Gore. He lays it out.

[sampsonblk]

31. Excellent Speech - A+

He really let them have it, and they deserve that every single day until they are gone.

For those who say its not popular or politically wise to go right at them, I say if we had gone right at them from the beginning, they could have never pulled this shit for so long. Its time for all of us to take a stand in our own way - just like President Gore.

[Justice]

33. Tremendous Speech

Historically, the speech is invaluable, as it weaves together all of the stories, lies and tragedies that have occurred since Bush took office.

I found Gore the most powerful when he spoke in almost a whisper - which despite descriptions of the speech I read in the media, he did most of the time in the speech.

When Gore conceded the presidential election in 2000, he did so because he believed in the rule of law and our great nation. His personal sacrifice then for the country gives him enormous credibility to step out now and denounce this administration for flagrantly ignoring and stepping on the rule of law and our country.

Gore may be remembered in history more for the speech he gave today, then for the speech he gave in December of 2000. And because of that December 2000 speech, the one he gave today is even more powerful.

[susu369]

42. Great post, Justice

*eom*

[Cheswick2.0]

69. exactly Justice

Thank you.

[leesa]

34. Why are the people BELOW the CIC responsible for it???

Sorry, Bush and the Dickster are in on it.

[dArKeR]

35. Gore: Rummy, Tenet, Rice Must Go - CBS

Al Gore delivered a fiery denunciation Wednesday of the Bush administration's "twisted values and atrocious policies" and demanded the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and CIA director George Tenet.

Raising his voice to a yell in a speech at New York University, Gore said: "How dare they subject us to such dishonor and disgrace! How dare they drag the good name of the United States of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison!"

The Democratic former vice president said the situation in Iraq is spinning out of control.

"I am calling today for Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Dick Cheney, who are most responsible for creating the catastrophe we are facing in Iraq," Gore said, drawing strong applause from the partisan crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/26/politics/main619770.shtml

How does CBS know it was a 'partisan crowd'? Could it be American citizens seeking the truth?

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

52. That's CBS's definition of partisan.

[glitch]

78. of course the cherry picked crowds bush "speaks" to are never partisan nt

[dArKeR]

37. Gore calls for Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet to resign - MSGOP

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5068417/

[Seabiscuit]

38. The Stuck-Neo-Con Pigs just got "Gored"

I saw the whole speech on C-SPAN2 tonight, and MAN, Gore was on fire, with passion, eloquence, righteous anger, focus, and a feistiness he never showed in the 2000 election - had he spoken like that in 2000 he would have won the election by such a margin George and Jeb wouldn't have had a ghost's chance in hell of stealing it.

A must see for anyone who cares about American values and dumping Bush in November.

Now we got to get Clinton away from his autobiography speeches and get him committed to rallying the troops a la Gore and Dean. Same for the rest of the Democratic leaders with backbone. Kerry should be allowed to sit back and watch Bush self-destruct while people like Gore sock it to him, then come out after the convention with the articulate and amiable Edwards as his running mate, and the two of them can slam it to Dubya and Dickie on every issue for the rest of the campaign, along with everyone else.

We need people like Al Gore to stir people up - make them feel passionate - make them think - make them angry - make them organize - make them VOTE!

:kick:

[Cheswick2.0]

71. He did speak like this in 2000

Please see the post by ALGore2004.org in this thread.

[jpgray]

40. I saw it. Awesome speech--this guy was nowhere to be found in 2000

:(

[Cheswick2.0]

72. no, you just weren't looking

he was there. I met exactly that guy.

[jpgray]

74. So if Al Gore were running today, he'd take Lieberman again?

Come on--things have changed, and Gore is one of those things.

[AlGore-08.com]

79. He's changed much less than you imply

Many of his former campaign staff have said, publicly, that Gore has not changed, the times have changed. (People I know personally who worked for him when he was VP have said the same thing.) Another reason people have the perception that Gore has changed is that many of the people who were unable or unwilling to research what Gore was actually saying in 2000 (as opposed to what he was reported as saying) are now looking beyond the mainstream news to learn what is happening in the world.

If Gore were running now (or things fell out that he was running in the future), I would not be surprised at all to see him pick a conservative Dem as his running mate/VP. It's still a good strategy - - look at the number of folks on DU who think McCain would be a great VP choice because he would attract the center and right. (I disagree about putting McCain or any other Republican on the ticket, but that's another thread.)

I said at the time and I still maintain that even though I disagree with Lieberman's politics, he was an excellent choice for Gore's VP. Not because of the media's explanation ("it signals he's distanced himself from Clinton" etc bs), but because Lieberman actually gets the conservative GOPers in the Congress to work with him. They actually like and respect him. A lot. That would have been invaluable with the divided Senate & GOP Congress Gore would have been working with in his first term. Keep in mind that these GOP Congress Critters would have continued to attack Gore the way they attacked Clinton - - endless bogus investigations leading toward an impeachment - - so Gore would have really needed somebody that the GOP liked/admired/etc. by his side.

If things fall out that Gore runs in the future, I doubt that he will pick Lieberman again. Not because Gore has changed, but because Lieberman has become a cuss word on the left. That, and the fact that Lieberman, as a person, has changed a lot. He spent the time in between the 2000 selection and the end of Lieberman 2004 dissing Gore.

[dusty64]

41. Did this get ANY coverage

in the corporate media? Any stories in anyone's local rags. In mine its day TWO of headline coverage of our regime's new terra "alert" and not ONE inkspot about what President Gore said. :grr:

[malachi]

47. Philadelphia Inquirer ran very short piece on pg A19.

Front page, A1, story on how politicians (Democrats) use today's high gas prices to gain votes, eventhough gas is currently cheaper than in the early 1980s after adjusting for inflation.

[leftchick]

43. <sigh> We could have had Gore. Instead we have THIS!!!

Piece of SHIT.....
:puke:

[dand]

44. Watched the speech this AM on C-Span, AWESOME,

Then I was dumb enough to watch Imus, he and Andrea Mitchell made me want to throw up, and being into nausea I listened to J D Hayworth who is one of the few people on earth lower than Andrea Mitchell, they were all slamming Gore, when will I ever learn, I just wish that Al Gore had that kind of fire in his belly 31/2 years ago, nobody could have come close to defeating him.

[cease_fire]

45. This speech says it all - it's historical in scope and...

it represents an outing of public consensus.


It's abut time!

[LiberalBushFan]

46. do we want rumsfeld to resign?

If his replacement would be wolfowitz then i don't know.

[Seabiscuit]

48. Gore also called for the resignations of Wolfowitz

and two others not yet mentioned here.

[Seabiscuit]

49. The other two are...

Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy; and Stephen A. Cambone, undersecretary of defense for intelligence.

[maggrwaggr]

51. why them? It should be BUSH and he should take them with him

they all need to go, starting with BUSH.

Why are people scared to say this?

[AlGore-08.com]

80. Gore said Bush and Cheney had to go - - via the ballot box

If you watch the speech or read the transcript, you'll see that Gore demands that we "hold (Bush) accountable" by voting him out of office. Here's one of the many parts of Gore's speech where he calls for Smirk to be voted out of office:

http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EplVVAlAFlXDpslwDD.shtml
One of the strengths of democracy is the ability of the people to regularly demand changes in leadership and to fire a failing leader and hire a new one with the promise of hopeful change. That is the real solution to America's quagmire in Iraq. But, I am keenly aware that we have seven months and twenty five days remaining in this president's current term of office and that represents a time of dangerous vulnerability for our country because of the demonstrated incompetence and recklessness of the current administration.

It is therefore essential that even as we focus on the fateful choice, the voters must make this November that we simultaneously search for ways to sharply reduce the extraordinary danger that we face with the current leadership team in place. It is for that reason that I am calling today for Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Dick Cheney who are most responsible for creating the catastrophe that we are facing in Iraq.

We desperately need a national security team with at least minimal competence because the current team is making things worse with each passing day. They are endangering the lives of our soldiers, and sharply increasing the danger faced by American citizens everywhere in the world, including here at home. They are enraging hundreds of millions of people and embittering an entire generation of anti-Americans whose rage is already near the boiling point."

Asking for the resignation of Smirk's national security team is a realistic goal. They could resign to make Smirk look better to the voters, or Smirk could jettison them in an attempt to look like he's remotely competent.

Asking for Smirk's removal before the election is not a realistic goal. That would require the GOP Congress to start impeachment procedings, and they are never going to do that in an election year. It would almost certainly cost the GOP the Congress. Not to mention, there's no telling what a different name on the GOP ticket would do to the election. Would there be as much opposition to Hassert, who is next in line for the Presidency after Cheney? If there was, would the Dem opposition to Hassert drive the Independents away, because they wouldn't understand how rational people could hold Hassert responsible for Smirk's screw-ups? What if there was a fight for the GOP nomination and Gulliani was chosen as the nominee? Or Schwartzenegger? (Sure, I know that's unconstitutional, but when have these guys cared about the Constitution? And he wouldn't be the first candidate to win an office that he was not constitutionally allowed to hold - - Sen. Joe McCarthy comes to mind...)

The idea that Gore is afraid to call for the ouster of Smirk is just wrong. The last thing Gore is, is a coward.

[fbahrami]

53. Gore should've spoken up in 2000-2001

If it always takes 3 years to catch up, we'll always be in trouble.

Remember Gore and Kerry's support for Bush's wars...

[Cheswick2.0]

73. why are you saying he didn't speak up?

Why are you saying he supported this war. He did not and he has been giving speaches for 3 years.

[cpv200]

54. Tidbits

People keep saying that there was no connection between Iraq and terrorism, and that Saddam didn't really have any weapons of mass destruction.

I'm curious then how the left then responds to the following:

1. Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, a lieutenant in Saddam's Fedayeen, attended a meeting in Malaysia at which the 9/11 attacks were planned. He was also found with information about the 93 WTC bombers and information about an al Qaeda plot to blow up commercial airliners over the Pacific Ocean. I know none of you trust this source, but I'd like to hear a more convincing rebuttal than "You can't trust the Wall Street Journal."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110005133

2. Abu Nidal lived freely in Iraq.

3. We recently discovered weapons of mass destruction, both Sarin and mustard gas, in Iraq. This has largely been ignored or dismissed by a media comprised of 5 times as many liberals as conservatives according to a Pew Research Study.

Also, Guess the author of these quotes:

"The United States will not flag in supporting your efforts to promote a change of regime. I believe that there can be no peace for the Iraqi people and a genuine peace for the people of the Middle East so long as Saddam is in a position to brutalise his people and threaten his neighbours . . . In the interests of regional peace and for the sake of human decency, must be removed from power. That is the policy of this administration. It is the policy I support. It is the policy I am personally committed to, "

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."


Since this site favors one-sided discussions rather than healthy debate, I will not be around long enough to answer my question above. These are all statements made by Al Gore.

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. I'm curious then how the left then responds to the following

OK, I give up, you argument is just too persuasive! uncle uncle!! the left is all wrong, there ARE hidden stockpiles of WMD north, east, west and south of Baghdad, it was true then and it's still true now. Guaranteed, you can take it to the bank Mr Rumsfeld said so. The evidence is clear, we found the WMD trailers and they have been verified by the CIA. Guaranteed. Mr Bush has assured all of us that "the truth about WMD will be revealed" and we must believe him. There are no more "rape rooms" now that Saddam is gone. Guaranteed. And, after all is said and done it is clear the the whole reason that there is any "untidyness" in Iraq is without a doubt Clinton's fault.
You know, we really need to get behind Mr Bush and Mr Rumsfeld, after all in this critial time of war it isn't wise to speak out against our commander in chief because it puts out troops in "harms way".


Now, how about going away and never coming back, asswipe.

[glitch]

58. remember the 90s? WMD inpspection teams and destruction of

WMDs? We know he had them, we have the receipts. But we spent 10 years searching out and destroying them. Why don't you source your quotes?
I doubt you will be here long. This site favors factual discussions, not whatever you're offering.

[cpv200]

60. What did I say that wasn't factual?

Abu Nidal, a terrorist, found safe haven in Iraq.

A bomb with enough Sarin nerve gas to kill tens of thousands of people, was used (incorrectly thank god) against our troops. Considering how little Bush has done to secure our borders (yes I criticize Bush for a lot of things too), it wouldn't be hard to get one of those into the country and use it.

The WSJ article could be refutable, but I haven't heard anything from any of you yet.

[Bridget Burke]

61. We don't really care what you have to say.

All this is old news & long ago refuted.

Bush* is an unelected idiot. Refute that.

[cpv200]

62. All this is old news & long ago refuted.

Could someone with actual facts respond instead?

[Bridget Burke]

66. Nobody cares what you think.

Haven't you figured that out by now?

[Cheswick2.0]

77. is your google broken?

Send me a hundred bucks and I'll spend an hour tutoring you.

[The_Casual_Observer]

63. refutable

"thank god" better yet "thank ya jayzeeeussss". How the fuck do you know "A bomb with enough Sarin nerve gas to kill tens of thousands of people" ??? This is clearly a lie. You, whatever you are, are a total and complete stupid fucking asshole.

[pinto]

76. Abu Nidal, apparently not so safe haven, good article from Janes:

Abu Nidal murder trail leads directly to Iraqi regime

It has now become very clear and much confirmed that the Iraqi regime headed by Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the assassination of the Palestinian terrorist Sabri al-Bana, known to the world as Abu Nidal.

<snip>

So why has Saddam acted now? The best explanation is that the Iraqi dictator is now feeling the pressure from the ongoing US deliberations over a potential invasion to topple his regime. In any such adventure, the anti-Saddam elements within Iraq would most likely play an important role in turning the tide against Saddam. He has therefore moved to eradicate those dangerous elements, both as a pre-emptive measure to protect his position and as an example to other prospective internal enemies still at large.

Given Abu Nidal’s propensity to ‘go with the smart money’ to survive and his past treachery during the 1990-91 Gulf War (he sided with Kuwait), any suggestion of him plotting against the regime would have been enough to sign his death warrant.

<snip>

A senior Iraqi official said on 20 August that Abu Nidal, who had returned to Iraq several months earlier bearing a false Yemeni passport and was placed under house arrest, killed himself after Iraqi agents accused him of conspiring with anti-Iraqi forces, including Kuwait . Iraqi intelligence had apparently confronted Abu Nidal with evidence of his involvement with foreign agents to overthrow Saddam Hussein’s regime, with an Iraqi senior official claiming that classified documents and plans concerning a US attack on Iraq were found in his house.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jwit/jwit020823_1_n.shtml

[Bridget Burke]

59. There are posts in the archives to answer all of these

But I don't feel like looking them up.

Your unelected "president" ignored warnings that led to 3000 people dying on American soil. He used that as an excuse to start a war in Afghanistan--last I heard Afghanistan was going to hell. Then he went into Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11. Over 800 dead Americans & thousands of dead Iraqis later, the war is still going on. War crimes committed by US troops have become notorious all over the world.

Oh, but tell me all the good he's done for the economy, the environment, medical care & education.

Gore's speech just underlined all the damage done since the coup of 2000--making your little idiot look even worse than he did already. No wonder the ditto-monkeys are restless.

[0rganism]

64. You completely misread the Pew Research study, for one thing

"a media comprised of 5 times as many liberals as conservatives according to a Pew Research Study."

The recent Pew study among "newsroom workers" showed that over half the respondents identified themselves as moderates. Of the remainder, about twice as many identified themselves as liberal as did conservative, 25% to 13% IIRC. Now this is hardly even a study of ideology, let alone content. For instance, Bill OhReally could self-identify as a moderate, if he so desired -- and compared to some of the syndicated wingnuts (e.g. Savage, Beck, Coulter) neo-cons have out there pushing for the Final Solution, he'd be well within the bounds of relativist reason to do so.

Conversely, a recent FAIR study of the allegedly liberal NPR showed that the overwhelming majority of all sources presented in the news media were conservative males.
http://www.fair.org/extra/0405/npr-study.html

[Cheswick2.0]

75. we favor intelligent debate

which is why we don't bother talking to the right-wing.

[AlGore-08.com]

57. You can read the full transcript at AGDems

Transcript here:
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EplVVAlAFlXDpslwDD.shtml

[truthisfreedom]

70. FULL TRANSCRIPT ALSO AT MOVEONPAC.ORG... VIDEO LINK HERE

transcript of remarks:
http://www.moveonpac.org/goreremarks052604.html/
video:
http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp

[Endangered Specie]

68. Excellent speech, nice to see some mainstream Dems...

show some teeth.

[Chicago Democrat]

81. AL Gore - American Patriot... implied Bush should be tried for

War Crimes.


Al Gore my hero, said it all....


What a must see speech...

Move on Should buy prime time and just play it over and over and over.