Lott: Tough Questioning OK if Lives Saved

[Barrett808]

JACKSON, Miss. - Sen. Trent Lott says saving American lives should be the priority in Iraq, even if it might mean dealing harshly with prisoners to get vital security information.

"We've seen the pictures. We don't approve of that," the Mississippi Republican said in an interview with Jackson television station WAPT. "(That) type of physical perversion is inappropriate."

"But interrogation is not a Sunday school meeting," he said. "This is a very tough situation. You have got to have sleep deprivation, you have got to scare them, you have got to threaten them."

Lott said there were situations in war when such interrogation tactics were necessary.

"Frankly, to save some American troops' lives, or a unit that could be in danger, I think you should get really rough with them," Lott said in the interview that aired Monday.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040527/ap_on_go_co/lott_iraq&cid=512&ncid=1480

[darthmix]

1. Ah, so it begins

As the evidence mounts that blame for these atrocities goes right up to the top, they're going to start justifying the torture instead of condemning it.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. TING!

Step up to the front and claim your prize!

[Cocoa]

4. they've been champing at the bit

can't wait til the time is right to say enough already, torture is ok. I guess the time is now.


:puke:

[SquireJons]

41. It's a dangerous game they play

But that's Rove's style. Always attack.

They may placate some of the base and reel in a few that are wavering, but I think they will turn off the quite middle of the road people. The same ones who didn't like having to see the atrocities in Vietnam. Shouting 'torture is OK' will not appease these folks, it will push them away.

Good.

Join the anti-torture Democratic Party.

[saigon68]

22. WHY HAVE ANY FUCKING RULES AT ALL

Don't complain however when the tables are turned

LOTT IS AN ASS HOLE ----I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS IN THE HOUSE IN 1974 AND VOTED NOT TO IMPEACH NIXON

HE WAS A BOOT LICK THEN AND A BOOT LICK NOW

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A television grab shows hands in flames as a body burns next to an attacked vehicle yesterday in the volatile Iraqi town of Falluja.
PHOTO: REUTERS

[Democat]

3. Trent Lott approves of the torture of American soldiers - Dems should act!

This idiot is putting the lives of American soldiers at risk by saying this.

These right wing assholes try to claim that people like Pelosi are putting troops at risk by pointing out the Bush is a loser, but when Lott actually puts U.S. troops at risks by saying that torture is ok for both sides, no one calls them on it.

The Democratic Party should launch a full scale offensive demanding that Lott apologize because he is putting U.S. troop at risk and he is saying that it's ok to torture U.S. soldiers.

Where is the Democratic response like the Republican response when a Democrat states facts about Bush?

[tabasco]

38. You are absolutely correct.

Chickenhawks like Lott have no conception of what it means to be in war. We obey the rules of war primarily to protect our soldiers. The fact is, if we do not mistreat prisoners, our enemy is:
1) more likely to surrender, and;
2) more likely to treat American POWs humanely.
Of course, it is also the right thing to do. These simple facts seem to escape the rationalizing republicans. Trent Lott is a traitorous and despicable piece of human garbage.

[brooklynite]

5. NYT: Prison Interrogations in Iraq Seen as Yielding Little Data on Rebels

The questioning of hundreds of Iraqi prisoners last fall in the newly established interrogation center at Abu Ghraib prison yielded very little valuable intelligence, according to civilian and military officials...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/politics/27ABUS.html

[bullimiami]

11. But they got lots of valuable info

From the 70 yo grandmother that they harnessed and rode around like an animal.

So that justifies it all.



ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH

Have I told you how much I hate them today?

[struggle4progress]

16. Important Article!

"But civilian and military intelligence officials, as well as top commanders with access to intelligence reports, now say they learned little about the insurgency from questioning inmates at the prison. Most of the prisoners held in the special cellblock that became the setting for the worst abuses at Abu Ghraib apparently were not linked to the insurgency, they said.

"All of the prisoners sent to Abu Ghraib had already been questioned by the troops who captured them for urgent information about roadside bombs, imminent attacks and the like.

"The officials could not say whether the harsh interrogation methods used at Abu Ghraib were counterproductive. But they said few if any prisoners there had been able to shed light on questions to which Gen. John P. Abizaid, the top American commander for the Middle East, and his deputies had assigned highest priority, including the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein and the nature of the insurgency's leadership."

[tridim]

6. "I think you should get really rough with them"

Them = 70-90% innocent Iraqi prisoners. That's fucking great Mr. Lott. Now would you please go strait to hell, monsters like yourself deserve no less.

[Tellurian]

7. Trent, how about getting tough with the administration advocating torture?

[daleo]

8. Lott is a liar - Tough questioning does not equal torture

Lott is trying to equate the two concepts in the public mind. This is another step in the process

torture==> abuse==> tough questioning==> OK

It is like some Nazi alchemy. This is why the releasing photos and video evidence is an unfortunate necessity. It is much harder to pull off this Nazi alchemy with images than with words.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

29. Ahhh, the wonders of euphemism. (nt)

[bullimiami]

9. Hey Trent you a.hole.

Thats WAR CRIMES and people have been executed for them. By us.
You can try to talk your way out of it until your lips fall off but its not going to change the facts. You better just hope that your day of reckoning doesnt come because you got a world of bad karma backed up.

[Barrett808]

10. Don't forget to sign the "Send Trent Lott to Iraq" petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/SendLott/petition.html

To: Senate of the United States of America
On 29 October 2003, Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) is reported to have suggested his final solution to the Iraq problem:

"We need to have a different mix of troops, is the key. We may need to move some troops around. Honestly, it’s a little tougher than I thought it was going to be. If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens. You’re dealing with insane suicide bombers who are killing our people, and we need to be very aggressive in taking them out." ("GOP unity is strained by attacks", by Geoff Earle, http://www.thehill.com/news/102903/gopunity.aspx)

We request that Senator Lott be sent immediately to Iraq to, in his own words, "mow the place down". Mr. Lott would bring the appropriate aggressiveness needed to stop "insane suicide bombers who are killing our people." It is clear that only Senator Lott understands the situation in Iraq, so it would be in America's best interest that the Senator go to Iraq immediately and clean it up.

We note that Senator Lott declined military service when he had the opportunity ("Chickenhawk Database", http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks), but with a few weeks of modern Army training, he should be prepared to patrol the streets of Fallujah and start mowing with gusto.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

http://www.petitiononline.com/SendLott/petition.html

[billbuckhead]

12. " interrogation is not a Sunday school meeting"

I guess Trent didn't get his heart changed by Jesus Christ like Bush has.

[FlemingsGhost]

13. Again, the philosophy: American lives are more valuable

How about the lives of innocent Iraqis, Senator. You know, the vast majority of the folks we have illegally detained. Take a look at the pictures again, Mr. Lott. Try and look past the fact that their skin is brown.

Perhaps we need to enagage in some "tough questioning" toward some of the architects and overly vocal supporters of the policies we've enacted and continue to implement in our occupation of Iraq.

After all, lives are in danger.

(on edit: punctuation)

[yellowcanine]

14. I say we have some "tough interrogation" of Lott about the Valerie Plame

affair. We don't know that he knew anything about it, but then again we don't know he didn't. either. And while we are at it, let's see what size of panty fits on his head.

[David Zephyr]

15. Translating for Trent : Iraqis Need An Old-Fashioned Mississippi Lynching

Trent Lott: "You gotta understand that this interrogation business is not just some Sunday school meeting. In fact, it's gotta be done AFTER Sunday School and Church lets out. Now, that's how we always did it down here in Mississippi in the good old days. Yes sir, my Senatorial office would be as pleased as a pig in a pile of shit to recommend some of our good old boys in the Mississippi Highway Patrol to help out over in Iraq, if you know what I mean."

[saigon68]

23. Thanks Trent THIS WILL MAKE YOU FEEL AT HOME





Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two
young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming
the man’’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings
documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings,
beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of ““Judge Lynch.””) Some lynching photos were
made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely
happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have
not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.


On Edit: This is a photo taken 15 years before I was born, this type of sport existed until the late
1960's well into the Viet-Nam war, when men of color and others were busted out of jails and
“STRUNG UP” to entertain cheering mobs and provide “white girls” with justice.

The Caption is from Life Magazine and a book of 100 pictures that changed AMERIKA

WHAT HAS CHANGED??? IN MY HUMBLE OPINION NOT MUCH

Look at the adoring faces in the picture.

This could be the Prom Night Entertainment for all we know.

Look at smiles on the faces of the young women.

Everyone is having a good Time ( A Mob of 10,000 people)


This is Trent Lott’s kind of FUN

[Alerter_]

43. Sodomize Lott with a Glowstick until he tells what he knows

we can get a "Deshoshitz Torture Warrant" to make it all legal.

[UpInArms]

17. excuse me - but if Lott(o-shit) were interested in

"saving lives" why in the hell did he not step up to the plate and stop this illegal invasion of a sovereign nation?

Lott(o-shit) has a fricking lot-o-nerve -

remember: "You can support the troops without supporting the president." 1999?

Stuff your shirt back in your pants and get off your knees, TrentieBoy - you are one nasty piece.

[leftchick]

18. Up to 90% were arrested BY MISTAKE!

Did you miss that trent you fuckwad?!

[Frances]

19. And do you wear white robes

and stand in front of a burning cross with a rope in your hand when you do the questioning?

Sometimes I think the KKK has taken over the country.

[David__77]

20. 'cause ol' Strom told him so!

I heard the KKK was merely using "rough tactics" when they were lynching and bombing.

[whosinpower]

21. These kinds of treatments

In my mind actually do the opposite - it ENDANGERS LIVES as it instills even more entrenched hatred against the US.

Why not take a fundamental look at really how effective these sorts of torture techniques are in gathering REAL TRUTHFUL AND ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE? (sorry for hollaring) I suspect that once "broken" the prisoner will do and say just about anything just to get the abuse to stop - and that is hardly actionable intelligence.

[Democat]

24. Trent Lott is putting U.S. troops in danger - where is the Dem response?

The Democratic Party is so weak on attacking the lying Republicans, and they are so strong on attacking us when we tell the truth.

Democrats need new strong fearless leadership to fight these right wing crooks.

[robbedvoter]

25. And how many lives were saved Trent?

Whose?

[jpgray]

26. The ends justify the means, what a novel concept (nt)

[truthisfreedom]

27. so he supports a different tactic toward interrogating our administration?

after all, we have a lot of unanswered questions. and a lot of lives have been lost.

[Mike Niendorff]

28. re: "interrogation is not a Sunday school meeting"

Of course not. It's a fraternity hazing. Doesn't Trent listen to Rush anymore?

:eyes:


MDN

[Barrett808]

30. WWJI: Who Would Jesus Interrogate? n/t

[Bandit]

31. How many Americans were killed before the tortures and how many after

It seems to me that because of us "getting rough" with them a lot more American lives have been lost. I have yet to find a single thing that Republicans have said that was truthful. Every single arguement they make they argue with lies and false assumptions. I am beginning to really believe they are totally without any grey matter.

[Rochambeau]

32. Exactly the same argument used by the french army during the

algerian war, EX-ACT-LY, word by word.

[SOS]

40. "The Battle of Algiers" was viewed at the Pentagon in 2003

Article appeared in NYT 9/7/03.

Excerpt:

"The Pentagon's showing drew a .. professionally detached audience of about 40 officers and civilian experts who were urged to consider and discuss the implicit issues at the core of the film — the problematic but alluring efficacy of brutal and repressive means in fighting clandestine terrorists in places like Algeria and Iraq. Or more specifically, the advantages and costs of resorting to torture and intimidation in seeking vital human intelligence about enemy plans."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0907-07.htm

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

33. trent will cheerlead the questioning

[Endangered Specie]

34. I thought we took care of bastards like Trott...

about 60 years ago in Germany? Guess we missed some.

[Q]

35. Even if torture was an effective means of extracting information...

...it shouldn't be used on 'suspected' terrorists. Lott and his ilk don't want to admit that MOST of those being tortured are 'SUSPECTS' and have never been afforded any kind of due process or proven guilty of any kind of crime. Many were swept from the streets or kidnapped from their homes and their only 'crime' was being an Iraqi.

[Endangered Specie]

36. Even if torture was acceptable

(and that is an 'if' that never was/is/will be true) it is not an effective means of extracting information. People will lie/say anything to get out of the torture, some will even lie construvtively (misinformation)...

torturer: "where is your base"
torturee:"its <someplace that is actually wired to the teeth with explosives>"

[TankLV]

37. Talban wing of the repuke party strikes again, and

no one is screaming for an apology like they did, and the wimps aquiesced, when the SD senator told the TRUTH about the repukes like lott - which is ALL OF THEM - because they condone his remarks!

The

silence

is

defening.

[Iris]

39. Oh, God. Not HIM again.

[rocktivity]

42. "(Fill In The Blank): Tough Questioning OK If Lives Saved"

Hitler
Cleopatra
Attilla The Hun
Rasputin
King Herod
Castro
Saddam...

:headbang:
rocknation

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. This line of bar room logic originates from

the same mind that invented "don't say anything bad about our president, it will put our brave men and women in the military in harms way" I would hope that fewer and fewer people will be deceived
by this threat.

[Darranar]

45. And how does one know if it will save lives?

Should everyone be tortured, just in case someone might possibly reveal information that just might save a life?

[Tight_rope]

46. LOL....The more I read the comments of Republicans...

The more I have come to a conclusion that "ALL REPUBLICANS" are "ARROGANT, IGNORANT AND INCOMPETENT". :puke: :puke: :puke:

And they say never judge a book by it's cover. :beer: