Iraqis 'will forgive jail abuse' (says General Kimmitt)

[CShine]

The people of Iraq will forgive US-led occupying forces for the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, according to a senior coalition spokesman. Brig Gen Mark Kimmitt told the BBC's Talking Point programme that the photos of abuse by US soldiers at the Baghdad jail were not representative.

He described the scandal as a "failure of leadership" involving a maximum of 20 soldiers. It was being fully investigated by the US military, Gen Kimmitt added.

The abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, the feared Saddam Hussein-era prison now run by coalition forces, outraged the world after a stream of photos apparently taken by guards emerged. One soldier has been convicted and six others are facing military charges over their alleged abuse of detainees at the jail.

"It's because the scale of this was so small that the people of Iraq will forgive us," said Gen Kimmitt, the deputy director of coalition operations in Iraq. "Most of the people in Iraq recognise that was an isolated incident and our investigations continue to demonstrate that it is fairly isolated and not representative of the 135,000 soldiers who are doing the right thing under tough circumstances every day."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3762217.stm

[Nevernose]

1. "Those Iraqis who do NOT forgive us...

...will be tortured. Thank you, that is all."

[Cocoa]

2. the general is jumping to conclusions

if the investigation is ongoing, how come these people keep asserting that this was an isolated incident?

[Submariner]

3. How comforting!

And all tis time I thought they might be vengeful for being tortured. Thanks for putting my mind at ease you perfumed princess POS.

[playahata1]

4. Kimmitt and his peers and lackeys as well as his superiors

harbor ILLUSIONS AND DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR.

[NNN0LHI]

5. "involving a maximum of 20 soldiers"? Yesterday it was 6 n/t

[maddezmom]

7. and they haven't even begun to count the officers...Sanchez, Miller. Fast.

etc...it's climbing everyday.

[skooooo]

14. Okay, so the number will triple every few days....

....a minor detail.

[Mz Pip]

6. And he knows this

how? Has he spoken to "most of the Iraqi people"?

This administration makes it up as it goes along.

MzPip
:dem:

[VolcanoJen]

8. Krazy Kimmit has such an insight into the minds of Iraqis, doesn't he?

:eyes:

[jdj]

9. How many civilian dead now? Between 10k and 20k.

This shows just how focused they are on the fact that they got BUSTED, not that they feel remorse for the actions.

They only care about what got put on film, not about the Fallujah massacre, and the slaughter of the wedding party, or any of the tragedies they caused, the lives lost because of lies, lies, lies.

[madrchsod]

10. kimmitt has lost touch

with reality..

[Eloriel]

19. No, he's just doing his job -- lying. I hate liars. n/t

[mom cat]

36. Cows can fly The tooth fairy told me so.

[Vladimir]

11. This would be the same Kimmitt who when asked

'What would you say to Iraqis viewing pictures of abuse...' responded 'I would tell them to change the channel'. What a cock.

[Barrett808]

12. Delusion or lies? Or a little of both?

Can they really be this deluded? I guess the question answers itself.

[w4rma]

13. I sure wouldn't want Kimmitt's job, which seems to be to lie to clean up

after everyone else's mistakes.

[Spazito]

18. Kimmitt is complicit in what is happening...

he is lying to save his own ass, no one else's, imo.

[Eloriel]

20. Oh, no. He's lying to save a lot of asses -- all of them

in the Officer Corps and right on up the chain of command to the Commander in Chief.

[Spazito]

22. Indirectly, yes, I agree but Kimmitt's arrogance belies any...

"altruistic" tendencies. He must lie because, if the bush admin goes down, so does he so, imo, he is protecting his own ass by lying which, by extension, protects the higher chain of command.

[sendero]

15. spin away moron...

... but rest assured that once Kerry takes the reins we'll get to the bottom of this and nobody is going to buy your pathetic spin then.

[SOS]

16. Odd

A Newsweek correspondent reporting on CNN from Baghdad said that it is "Impossible to overestimate" the damage done to US credibility in Iraq by the torture scandal.

One Iraqi released from Abu Ghraib this week had only two words for the gathered reporters: "America stinks".

Kimmett is living in a fantasy world.

[democrank]

17. I`m surprise Kimmitt had time to

make these comments. So many Iraqis to kill....so little time. He should simply zip his lips and wait until the investigations are over before he decides how many people are involved. Quite frankly, I`m sick of listening to him.

[Whoa_Nelly]

21. Yes, the Iraqis will forgive and forget

and once again lay flowers at the feet of American soldiers, and will send birthday balloons with a singing messenger to Kimmitt every year from now on...
when monkeys fly out of the butts of Americans who believe this crap O8)

[abracadabra]

23. What ? did he talk to all the Iraqis and they told him it's O.K.?

So the Gen'ral went door to door and every person said it's O.K. that U.S. troops, mercenaries, and Israeli "specialists" tortured, raped, wounded, and executed many Iraqi citizens including children.
Everyone was O.K. with the fact that 9 out of 10 being held at Abu Garib prison were guilty of absolutely nothing and were just rounded up for no reason.

And at each of the 1 million doors he personally knocked , Kimmit was invited in and offered milk and cookies.

... and then he signed autographs

Ha Ha Ha...
Forgiven?

So the people there are so nice and forgiving of wrongs done to them!
Well isn't that special!
That's why U.S. troops are still killing them daily.

[DulceDecorum]

24. Jesus told him so

the last time Kimmett had a siezure.

[progressivebydesign]

25. Those 20 soldiers brought their OWN hoods for torture?

I guess that was just a wild coincidence that the identical hoods were used at various prisons.. do they sell those at Walmart in West Virginia???

[truthisfreedom]

26. and pigs will fly, and bush will be elected, finally, and rapture will

allow everyone without a turban to rise from the greenhouse-gas destroyed world...

[MaineDem]

27. How pompous of him

And by extension, how pompous of the United States. I'm so embarrassed by this kind of rhetoric.

[leftchick]

28. Krazy Killer Kimmitt is known for his pearls of wisdom....

"If you don't want to see dead women and children change the channel"!

[ThoughtCriminal]

29. Historical Question

Who was the last U.S. general to be court martialed? Have ther been any? Kimmit sure looks to be heading that way.

[LumitraC]

30. I love it when Americans speak for Iraqis

Im still waiting for them to hold up their end of the Cheney pact and deliver on the candies and flowers, so far theyve skimped and only given little bullet shaped pieces of lead.

im really NOT liking what they are doing with this shit.

the little guy didnt just start doing this stuff, they had knowledge of it up top, im sure bush knows, he dealt with prison abuse in texas.

[nolabels]

31. It's like only 95% of them that want * and his posse of mercs to leave

I am sure that 5% can convince the rest to think like the general

Torture Timeline
by Occupation Watch Staff
May 29th, 2004

The Occupation Watch Staff has selected and will continue to add first-hand accounts, articles, and reports which document the actual and alledged torture occurring in Iraq.

http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=4846

[LiberalFighter]

32. Let's give this guy every credit that is due him...

Who is Gen. Mark Kimmitt?

Brig. Gen. Mark T. Kimmitt, US Army, is the spokesman for the US military in Iraq. He is also the deputy operations commander. He currently is the main apologist for US misdeeds in Falluja and southern Iraq.

As part of his PR efforts, he frequently employs email. His email address is kimmitt.m (at) skynet.be <mailto:kimmitt.m (at) skynet.be>. He used the private Belgian ISP during his service at NATO's SHAPE headquarters in Belgium

Kimmitt's father, Joseph Stanley (Stan) Kimmitt, a former Col. in Army (an artilleryman like Mark), has parlayed his military service into a Washington, DC, public relations, or lobbyist, firm -- Kimmitt, Senter, Coates, & Weinferter. As Gen. Kimmitt promotes the war in Iraq, his father represents defense contractors such as Textron Defense Systems, Talley Defense Systems, and Boeing (maker of the Army's Apache attack helicopter).

The Kimmitts are a classic example of the revolving-door syndrome of U.S. military officers and defense contractors. Such double-dipping is commonplace. It is one of the things President Eisenhower meant when he referred to the dangers of the "military-industrial complex." It is a self-replicating monster that feeds on war, death, and destruction

[nolabels]

33. So nice to know the guy in charge who you might get your butt shot under..

Is helping his daddies company on the side. They supply the bullets and body bags, US GI's supply the rest :puke:

http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

[Disturbed]

34. Forgive?

"It's because the scale of this was so small that the people of Iraq will forgive us," said Gen Kimmitt

This Fascist moron isn't aware that there are millions of Muslims outside of Iraq that might not be so forgiving.

It's typical PR Bushit!

[daleo]

35. From seven bad apples to twenty bad apples

It gets more and more difficult to sustain the ludicrous assertion that the orders for torture, abuse, humiliation, and murder did not come right from the top.

Also, Krazy Kimmit is adding another abuse to the total, by assuming that Iraqis will forgive him and his army. He clearly doesn't understand the real nature of forgiveness - it can only be granted by the aggrieved party, not yanked from them or beaten out of them. Once more he reveals the mentality of an immature bully.

[yardwork]

37. My response to Kimmitt: Bullroar.

eom

[Norquist Nemesis]

38. Well, the batting average so far

is about .000!!! So why should we believe there's going to be a grand slam in a bottom of the ninth when we're losing 800+ and counting?

[robertpaulsen]

39. LOL! The Iraqi Information Minister still cracks me up!

Kimmit, you pathetic ostrich! When will you ever learn Denial ain't just a river in Egypt?

Morans!!!

[demgrrrll]

40. I see he has recovered from the case of the vapors that he suffered

at the podium not too long ago. The people who are involved
in these lies and this cover up are building up some whopping karma.

[Darranar]

41. Junk - the US government planned this...

encouraged this, and didn't care about it when they recieved reports of it.

It's also interesting to see how he speaks for the Iraqi people. No one can do that but them.

[wellst0nev0ter]

42. We Traded Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf

For this? :eyes:

[bobbieinok]

43. news stories about torture in at least 4 prisons etc etc etc

Do any of these people follow even the US media stories on this? the international media? the internet?

It's like they're totally unaware that we have sources of info other than their PR releases.

[MasonJar]

44. Hey, General, I have this bridge I'm selling for a good price.

[goclark]

45. Did Hitler's soldier's say these kinda things?

Kimmitt is speaking from LA LA Land folks.
He has no concept of people that do not look and speak like he does.
All he knows is war and power.

May he be invited to a Wedding Celebration in Iraq and see what it feels like to be "mistaken" for a "terraist" That would be poetic justice.

I have to keep reminding myself that this is 2004 and this is the USA. I keep hearing these Nazis and can't believe that this is 2004 and they have zero compassion for those that don't think and look like they do.

He is an Iceman. May he melt in Hell.

[Demeter]

46. What About The Americans Who Won't Forgive?

And there are a lot of us! Doesn't our opinion count for anything?

[ColdWarZoomie]

47. Sure they will.

Yeah...sure.

[PaDUer]

48. He's full of shit...

they're trying to manipulate the public into thinking this just so they don't have to release those photos/videos.

[Kinkistyle]

49. The murdered/raped/tortured prisoners and their families will forgive us!

I mean we raped, tortured and killed your mom/wife/daughter/sister/dad/brother/son/husband, but you see it was on a small scale. So whaddya say? Bygones?

[Magleetis]

50. Kimmitt

thinks he is a Jedi. Sorry General, it only works that way in the movies.

[Fovea]

51. Did he say that

with a broomstick up his ass? Or with electrodes gator clipped to his willy? Was his torso smeared with feces?

If not, I am not impressed.

[LiberalBushFan]

52. In fact, they're going to hold parades,

and throw us flowers to thank us.