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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:34 PM
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Lieberman lashes left-wing Democrats
WASHINGTON (CNN)


Sen. Joe Lieberman attacked the left wing of his party Sunday, saying Democrats "don't deserve to run the country" if they move left and embrace "the failed solutions of the past."

"If we're for middle-class tax increases, if we send a message of weakness and ambivalence on defense, if we go back to big government spending, if we're against trade for protectionism -- which never created a job -- we don't deserve to run the country," Lieberman, a presidential candidate, said on "Fox News Sunday." --

Lieberman said on Fox News that Dean has tapped into anger among Democrats toward President Bush.

"I share the anger, but, ultimately, to govern this country, it takes more than anger," he said. "It takes experience. It takes positions that reflect the best values of the American people. And it takes the kind of solid leadership capacity that America will need in an age of terrorism and in an age of real economic anxiety."

Lieberman said Dean's call for a repeal of all of Bush's tax cuts "would mean an increase in taxes on everybody, including the middle class and working families, who don't deserve it now. ---

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:37 PM
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1. You know
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 06:38 PM by khephra
I think I'm going to donate $25 to Dean's campaign every time that Lieberman bashes him. (limit once per day, of course)


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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:38 PM
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5. You must be one of those rich folk...
...the tax cut went to in order to have the kinda cash to back up that pledge ;)
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:40 PM
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8. Well, maybe I should make it $10 a time (per day)
Lieberman's probably going to try to get a lot of mileage out of this crap.

;-)
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:41 PM
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10. You know that you'll go over the $2,000 limit
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 06:41 PM by goobergunch
;-)

It's still a good idea, though!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:33 PM
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47. Hey Keph! Lieberman bashes ME too! At least 2-3 times a day!
But I understand your once-per-day rule. Please try to send my payments once a week; it would make a nice little dent in my rent bill! :)
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:17 PM
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64. Sorry, but this only applies to those people running against Joe
Jump into the race and you'll qualify.

;-)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:41 AM
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74. Moi? Jump in the race?
As a Pinko Commie Leftist Retard? And watch DUers post about how unelectable I am? Lol... You'd have to make it a lot more than $25 a day! :) ROFL
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:37 PM
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2. Lieberman is afraid to be a Democrat...
...and seems intent in helping Bush in his re-election bid. FU Joe...
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PennyLane Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:57 AM
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82. Absolutely!!!!
I think Joe is a plant, positioned in the Democratic party by none other than dear old Karl Rove. Just to screw things up! If JL wants to be a Democrat, then by God, he needs to start acting like one. He waves which ever way the wind in DC is blowing!!!!
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Scottie72 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:37 PM
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3. The very reason....
why I would have a very difficult time voting for him. He is nothing but a republican in democratic clothing.

Now if a person wants to vote for a republican are they going to vote republican or vote repbulican lite?

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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:38 PM
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4. I like Kucinich...
n/t
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PennyLane Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:04 AM
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83. So Do I, But...........
.......Let's be realistic shall we? He's too much of a peacenik to win the popular vote. O8)
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:38 PM
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6. Dean HAS experience running a state.
What state has Lieberman run? And the repeal would just put things back to the way they were before Bush.
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:39 PM
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7. Lieberman is going to play spoiler
if Dean is nominated.

I say we take a play from his book and leave the party if anyone but Dean is nominated.

This traitor wants to destroy the party.

If he doesn't want to fight, I say he should shut up and get the hell out of the way.

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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:55 PM
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18. So fight him back by being a spoiler too?
I hope your not serious. You may have a point if it turns out to be Lieberman, but please for the sake of your country get a hold of yourself.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:58 PM
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21. Sounds like you're the one trying to destroy the party.
How dare you suggest that Dean supporters leave the party if anyone but Dean is nominated?

Good grief - that's as bad as Lieberman.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:55 PM
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39. Sure, cut off your nose to spite your face
It will be with the maximum amount of gagging, retching, and extremely foul language that I'd vote for Lieberman if that sanctimonious old poop gets the nod, but remember, folks, it's ANYBODY BUT BUSH.

It's absolutely essential to rid ourselves of the criminal Bush gang in the next election, along with most of the incumbents in Congress who have supported his insane policies.

I'm not ready to go off in a huff and vote for some no-hope third party candidate in the next election if they run a DINO like Lieberman. The stakes are just too high this time.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:48 PM
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68. Lieberman has yellow teeth... Yuk!
You can almost see Lieberman's fangs:

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:40 PM
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9. SHUT...THE...HELL...UP!
NO ONE is advocating a middle class tax increase. NO ONE is calling for tariffs. OR "big government spending." Are you KIDDING? BUSH has increased spending! Dean actually CUT taxes, and had a budget surplus. ENOUGH with the straw men, you pathethic, desperate man! If you don't like the party, become a Republican (you SHOULD BE the way you kiss Bush's ass!) Good riddance!
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glgb Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:45 AM
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91. Sorry, but Dean IS advocating a middle class tax increase
Dean is calling for a repeal of ALL of Bush's tax cuts that are now on the books. Those tax cuts include breaks for everyone who pays federal income tax, including the middle class. Dean would repeal those tax cuts - so that would result in a middle class tax increase. He has even admitted that we have to choose between the tax cuts and health care coverage.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:00 AM
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93. Yet, as we've seen here and elsewhere,
Those tax cuts were aimed and benefitted mostly the wealthy in this country. Thus by repealing them, the tax burden will fall mostly on the wealthy.
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BenFranklinUSA Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:18 AM
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96. Could Backfire? RE: California
From Dan Weintraub column, SacBee

"I am not suggesting that you feel sorry for Arnold, or for others in his class. But remember this: in the tax year 2000, California had 44,000 people who earned $1 million or more. They earned 21 percent of the state’s income and paid 37 percent of the income taxes, $15 billion in all. The following year, 29,000 people earned more than $1 million. Their incomes represented 12 percent of the money earned in the state, and they accounted for 25 percent of the tax paid, or $8 billion. That $7 billion drop was virtually all the decline in state taxes, the very decline that led to the deficit, since the state kept spending as if the money would keep pouring into the treasury."

Say No To Repealing Tax Cuts / Say Yes To Cutting Waste
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:15 AM
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101. Yes, this might be true, but . . .
It does not take into account corporate tax cuts, nor corporate tax dodges, such as moving offshore, etc. Quite frankly I think that we not only need to repeal the Bush tax cuts(which would not affect the average American that much), we need to go a step further and close corporate tax loophole, along with requiring that business who primarily do business in the US be based in the US, not the Cayman Islands or some other like tax haven.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:35 AM
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98. every dollar of deficit will take a dollar of tax increase...
Minimum. Taxes will have to be raised somewhere. You people have had "Tax cut" drilled into you for so long that your starting to sound like republicans
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:41 PM
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11. I've been saying lately
that I'm not against any of the candidates. I just changed my mind. Enough is enough.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:42 PM
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12. My god Lieberman really must NOT want the Democratic Nom
Hey im a die hard dem but i really would not be too enthuseastic about voting for him..No wonder the repubs like him so much..His attacking his own party stratagy is just making him look stupid..Heck he WON the popular vote on a left wing ticket with Gore
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:45 PM
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13. Piss off Joe. "Left" Democrats have a great history of saving this country
Sen. Joe Lieberman attacked the left wing of his party Sunday, saying Democrats "don't deserve to run the country" if they move left and embrace "the failed solutions of the past."



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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:47 PM
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14. Think I'll send a link of this thread to Lieberman's campaign...
Just to show him how this is coming across to "his party"...
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:51 PM
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15. Done....n/t
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:39 PM
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48. I sent it to the DNC to let them know that they'll get no money
from me as long as he's speaking out like this.

And don't say it's not their doing, they could stop it if they want to.
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Romberry Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:06 AM
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75. Please tell me how the DNC has any way...
...to "stop" Joe. They don't. It's patently stupid to withhold badly needed funds from the party because of what Lieberman and the DLC have to say. Lieberman is just spouting DLC talking points and the DNC is no happier about it than you are. Withholding funds from the organizational arm of the party is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:00 PM
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52. Joe should withdraw...
I had NO reason why Gore even chose him!! Time for him to get the hell out of the race and let the others proceed...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:35 PM
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55. I think his flagging support will take care of that for the rest of us
soon enough. The OTHER guys are taking in more money and getting more attention and energizing more people. Dean specifically. Holy Joe could only WISH he had the enthusiastic support base Dean has built up. He alienates us at his peril. What the hell did Al Gore ever see in this guy? Did he like Elmer Fudd THAT much?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:21 AM
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76. Thank you for the idea
I just emailed them as well.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:54 PM
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16. I crown Joe Liebermann a right winger
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komplex Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:55 PM
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17. Many Dems had the chance to roll back the bush tax cut...
It's called not voting for it in the first place.

"One year after President Bush signed the tax cut into law, the economy is growing, consumer spending is up and America is on the path to economic recovery. The tax cut provided a much needed boost to our economy at just the right time by...boosting investment and creating jobs... The tax cut will help create 800,000 jobs by the end of 2002."

- White House press release, 6/7/2002
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:57 PM
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19. More White House lies?
This President seems to have a problem with the truth.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 06:58 PM
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20. I thought I was reading George Orwell, did that guy really say that ?
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 07:10 PM by nolabels
Look at that statement, often times I feel as if I might be a bit confused about things, but for this one has me really baffled, even after reading it a couple times the double speak is beyond comprehension. Is this me or is there something wrong with it. I don't really know for sure, anybody else got any Ideals?

Lieberman said Dean's call for a repeal of all of Bush's tax cuts "would mean an increase in taxes on everybody, including the middle class and working families, who don't deserve it now. ---

On edit the spell check forgot to check in :silly: Good thing I am not running for anything I would already had to quit

P.S Joe save yourself and us the time, give it up :kick:

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:02 PM
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24. He seems to forget that he needs the dem nomination to run for
president. Not the smartest move for a politician.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:17 PM
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42. Thanks salin
Joe is
Democratic In Name Only

Q: What do you call a dinosaur who is elected to Congress?

A: Rep. Tile!

http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/subjects/dinosaurs/fun/
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:55 AM
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85. JEBUS!
You mean I'm going to have to give that $3.12 a week back? MY GOD! I'll languish and DIE! Please oh please don't take my tree and twelve piece!
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:00 PM
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22. We should be grateful
At the rate he's offending the party of which he claims to be a member, and whose support he needs whether he likes us or not, he's kissing goodbye any chance he might ever have of winning the Democratic nomination. So, unless the Repukes decide the give him their nomination, I think it's a safe guess he's lashing himself into an early retirement, for which I am well and truly thankful.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:01 PM
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23. He is systematically trying to destroy the Dem party
His pro-* statements are getting really tiring...wish he'd develop a temporary (oh, about 15 months long) of total laryngitis - then he could stop with the inanities and see how true Dems act (Dean, Kucinich).
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Sushi Bandit Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:04 PM
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25. Thank God he is not targeting Kucinich as a Leftie
I dont know what i'd do!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:04 PM
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26. Republicans should run his quotes in their 2004 commercials
"Joe Lieberman isn't voting for a Democrat, and neither should you!"
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:09 PM
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27. Just say no
to unHoly Joe
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:10 PM
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28. me no like joe
joe bad....librul good.

sigh...
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:13 PM
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29. I'm not as viscerally anti-Lieberman as most of the people here
but he doesn't seem to understand a fundamental political principle: Swing voters don't vote in primaries. It's like his whole campaign is geared to those voters. You win the nomination first AND THEN CAMPAIGN FOR MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD VOTERS. Duh.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:30 AM
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80. He really thinks he's fighting for the soul
of the Democratic party, that's why he's speaking like this. I also think there's a little extortion involved; by doing dirt on Dean, he makes Dean a chancier candidate for the Dems to run. He is speaking less to the primary voters, I think, and more to the donors and the DNC.

Finally, never overlook the possibility that he reached the conclusion his own electoral goose is already cooked, and he's paving the way for a candidate other than Dean to win the primary. Despite what some here say, I believe Lieberman is a loyal Democrat, after his own fashion, and wants whoever wins the nomination to have the best chance against Bush. If he really believes Dean is a dead man walking, saying so now might help to avert a rout in the future. It's dangerous to always read stupidity or venality into someone just because we don't like them, and I think that happens here a lot, especially with regards to Lieberman.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:19 PM
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30. failed solutions ?
We don't have The White House or either house of Congress. Lieberman's approach is a failed solution.
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:22 PM
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31. Get a clue Lieberman!!!!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 07:24 PM by Bushknew
Many, Many Democrats voted AGAINST BUSH and not for you and Bore.

I WANTED to vote for Ralph Nader, but didnÕt.

I held my nose and voted for you NAFTA appeasing centrists Democrats, so STFU.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:25 PM
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32. I don't think he really shares the anger...
"I share the anger, but, ultimately, to govern this country, it takes more than anger," he said.

...unless he thinks that all we're angry about is the 2000 election. Other than that he seems to be pretty much in lockstep with the Bush administration.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:30 PM
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33. Al Gore sure as hell fooled me
when he picked Joe Lieberman as his 2000 running mate.

:eyes:
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:34 PM
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34. I think Loserman is working for Rove
The reaoson i say that, is the only people dishonest enough to say that repealing Juniors tax-cut 99% of which went to the filthy rich, is "raising taxes on the middle class" are Rove, Hannity, Rush and LOSERMAN. That right there ought to tell you something.
Its an outright LIE, noone could come to that conclusion accidentally, Loserman is lying to the middle class and in bed with the far right rethugs.

I think Loserman is a mole for the neo-cons, he doesnt want any Dem victory messing up his PNAC foreign policy dreams. I linked an article last week that documented Loserman being on a "steering committee" that recommended a foreign policy to Junior the first day he took office. His co-authors were Wolfowitz and Mort Zuckerman, they recommended American troops attacking Syria and Iraq.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:38 PM
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35. Lash Left Wing Democrats and they will lash you
In the privacy of the voting booth.

We are a left wing party, because the Republican Party is a right wing party.

It's really very simple.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:41 PM
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36. Uh Joe....remember FDR?
the left wing of his party Sunday, saying Democrats "don't deserve to run the country"

LAST I checked he not only deserved to 'run' the country but he was one of the greatest men to EVER run the country. Oh and guess what, Roosevelt was as liberal as it came.

Liberals saved this country, Joe. There's no room for conservative Dems like yourself.
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BAPhill Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:51 PM
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37. Closet Republican!
he should switch...don't let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:51 PM
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38. He's running for Allan Colmes job - what else would he do on Faux?
And frankly, I am torn - Allan - Joe - I don't know which I 'd dislike more.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:08 PM
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40. A very telling quote
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 08:11 PM by jamesinca
"I think they overstated the case in a series of arguments, which were not necessary because the case was so strong," he said. "That's why I've said that the administration's actions have threatened to give a bad name to what was a just war."

Joe, I got a question: If the war was so just, why did they have to lie about it? Why did they lie, could it not stand on its own merits? Is this why they had to sell the war on those lies, becuse the truth, its own merits would not stand up to public scrutiny? If you believe in liberating people from opressive regeims, why not take on China? Joe, what were those strong arguments? All the arguments I have heard are lies, or have not been verifiable! They have not been able to rule out the end of the Hussein or his Batth party or its supporters. They do not know where Hussein is. There has not been any evidence for, but there has been evidence against a link to terrorist. There has been no proof of WMD, but there has been evidence that they don't exist. There is proof to support a hunt for oil and world domination, as evidenced in the PNAC, or this article from a Florida newspaper:

Meteorologist's work featured in national weather magazine

By Billy Cox
FLORIDA TODAY
On May 25, while scanning the Air Force Defense Meteorological Satellite Program images pipelined into his desktop from 450 miles in orbit, Hank Brandli skidded at a nighttime photo of Iraq. It looked familiar. But not exactly.
Brandli retrieved another DMSP image he'd archived from May 3. He compared the two. The most recent photo showed a blazing corridor of light running the length of Kuwait, south to north, all the way to the Iraqi border. The image wasn't there on May 3.
"It's going right up to Iraq's oil fields," says the retired Air Force colonel from his home in Palm Bay. "Maybe I'm full of s---. Maybe all they're doing is building a highway to put in McDonald's and sell hamburgers. But why go that way? I think we're in bed with Kuwait. I think we're pumping oil out of Iraq to pay for this war."
That's an audacious observation. Especially considering those labyrinthine lines of exasperated motorists waiting to gas up at the fuel pumps in Baghdad. Not to mention the fact that Iraq's infrastructure officially won't be capable of exporting oil for another week or so.
But as the May-June issue of Weatherwise magazine makes clear, Brandli isn't a conspiracy zealot squinting for guppies in the fig trees. An article titled "Weathering History" profiles the Vietnam veteran as a pioneer in satellite meteorology who was unable to discuss much of his defense work until 1995. That's the year President Clinton declassified vaults of Cold War satellite images.
Now 63, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology alumnus isn't allowing multiple sclerosis to derail his passion for eye-in-the-sky technology. Three times a day, he checks his the latest unclassified downloads from American and Russian weather satellites filtering into his home-wired receivers. He found last month's DMSP nocturnal shots over Baghdad especially compelling.
"You look for patterns. Patterns tell you things," says Brandli, who has masters degrees in meteorology, aeronautics and astronautics, and the author of "Satellite Meteorology" for the Air Force's Air Weather Service in 1976. "With night photos, you can distinguish natural gas burnoff, which looks globular, from city lights. And suddenly, over just a few weeks, we've got this straight line of lights leading all the way to those beautiful wells in southeastern Iraq.
"If you're building pipelines, you've got to have power, you've got to have light -- trucks and personnel and food and all sorts of support. If I had to bet, I'd say it looks like we're running Iraqi oil through Kuwait. It would make sense, because Kuwait's got its infrastructure intact."
At the State Department in Washington, D.C., David Staples on the Future of Iraqi Projects desk says he doesn't know if Iraq's oil is flowing into Kuwait. He referred the query to the Defense Department. A DoD spokesman suggested contacting the Office of Coalition of Provisional Authority (OCPA) in Baghdad. OCPA was not immediately available for comment.
In Indialantic, retired Air Force Col. Hyko Gayikian isn't sure what to make of Brandli's speculation. He wonders if maybe Kuwait's lights were pre-existing features that were temporarily shut down during the war. (Brandli says no, that he checked other photos prior to the March war campaign and could find no such lights.)

<SNIP>

This is a weak argument at best, but it is stronger than anything you can present in rebuttal.

Another reason I won't vote for Joe Lieberman.

What arguments do you have Joe? What are you witholding from the public? Quite being a lackey for the Republicans, let us know what you know, or are you just attacking the Dems?
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DisgustedTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:09 PM
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41. Now is the time for Al Gore to FLATTEN Lieberman
Since he isn't running, it's high time Al put Holy Joe in his proper
place - as Jeffords replacement.

Is there a new ultra-conservative Jewish contingent Holy Joe is appealing to - perhaps lining his pockets?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:23 PM
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43. he's getting ready to bolt the party.
count on it.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:26 PM
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44. Yeah, just like Miller....
Annnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyy minute now.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:25 PM
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66. You mean Dennis Miller? ;)
He used to be pretty damned liberal. Now he's a Pr-Bush whore renting himself out to conventions for $10,000 a speech.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:26 PM
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45. OMG Kucinich used the "L" word
Oh man how cool is that. He is the First Democratic Presidental canidate that has called Bush a lier.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:32 PM
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46. that's it - Joe is dead to me
I am so tired of his hot air and slinging propaganda for the right. He might as well bolt parties now. Better yet we should kick him out ourselves. From now on Joe is a repuke to me - someone I will never trust or vote for much less listen to on any issue. Goodbye holy Joe and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

How could Gore ever have picked this pompous fool for a running mate?

Sonia
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:42 PM
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49. And we thought Zell Miller was dispicable! n/t
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:43 PM
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50. Someone...........
Someone please stick a sock in this guys mouth till after the elections.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:50 PM
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51. abanondonment
Lieberman's a tool and he reeks of the abanondonment of 2000.


Screw him.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:21 PM
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53. I'm sick and tired of Lieberman's insults towards ME.
Joe Lieberman = Republican saboteur
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:30 PM
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54. goodbye joe ...you gotta go me o mi o...son of a gun!
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 09:30 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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dodger2371 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:38 PM
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56. Ya gotta wonder what party Liberman belongs too??????
Bashing Democrats when Bush Bashing is in order!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:38 PM
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57. They know Lieberman is out of the race, so they're using him for their
dirty work. Must not taint the frontrunners who will have to rely on the Lefties to win.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:38 PM
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58. I've finally had enough. I'll not vote for Lieberman, no matter what.
Edited on Sun Aug-10-03 09:53 PM by TahitiNut
I voted for Gore/Lieberman. I've repeatedly given Joe the benefit of my doubts, looking away and trying to focus on where I agree with him.

No longer.

He's like a short-shooter with a mortar, dropping rounds on his own side. And it's now clear that he's doing it deliberately. The major reason (of many) I voted agsinst Bush 1 and Bush 2 was their marginalization of people of conscience in this country -- people who oppose endless war, oppose corporate welfare, oppose endless imprisonment of our citizens, oppose patronizing government, oppose exploiting the poor in order to enrich the powerful or empower the rich, oppose putting future generations in debt, oppose narrow-minded religious moralizers in government, and speak truth to power.

Lieberman has propagandistically demonized this 'base' within his own Party -- people with whom he should find the most common ethical and political ground. He has done so at the same time he has overreached in making excuses and offering the greatest conceivable benefit of very little doubt to the Reichsfuhrers infesting the White House.

He is not only a Quisling Democrat, he is either a dupe or a liar.


If, by some abysmal twist of fate, he becomes the nominee, I would be obliged to leave DemocraticUnderground since I cannot in any good conscience support him. I will not stay around only to stifle my own conscientious viewpoint for the sake of the kind of partisanship I most abhor. And I could not allow myself to engage in covert "disruption" merely to remain 'active'.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 09:58 PM
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59. He sounds completely psychotic
On the one hand he bashes Democrats, sounding like a spokesperson for Bush.

Then in the very next sentence he says why we should vote for him instead of Bush. But he just spent the last five minutes bashing the Dems, not Bush.

It's just bizarre. It's seriously like he's forgotten who he's running against. It's like he's got some sort of mental disorder.

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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:00 PM
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60. Lieberman assumes that he has earned the right
To speak for the democratic party on the strength of his selection as Al Gore's running mate.I cannot recall him winning any nominations for national office as a democrat. He now asserts that
true democrats like Governor Dean have only anger but are incapable of governing.Governor Dean has run a state government, has balanced the budget, provided universal medical care for his state's residents
and has shown fiscal restraint. Joe Lieberman who voted for the tax cuts for the rich Bush program forgets that his collusion has produced the largest budget deficits in US history and threatens to drown the country in red ink forever. Yet he has the audacity to claim that this record is superior to the Clinton-Gore record of
producing the first budget surplus since the Republican mismanagement of the economy.

His support for the war in Iraq even after the original reasons have been exposed as lies makes one wonder why he even bothers to speak on this issue. Does he realize that his support for these lie based war in Congress has caused the deaths of many soldiers and many innocent civilians in Iraq? If he was so concerned about a "just" war
that should be supported by democrats without any evidence, why did holy Joe avoid service in Vietnam? May be he has soulmates in Bush and Cheney who despite their strong support for the war in Vietnam
claimed they had other priorities.What was your excuse Joe?

His support for the Republican inspired impeachment of Bill Clinton
is the last straw in my book.He is a despicable coward, a moral
misfit, a trojan horse of the DLC/PNAC crowd within the Democratic Party and a "sanctimonious hustler" to quote Gore Vidal's unforgettable phrase.Look at the way he took the side of the Accounting industry lobby during the Enron scandals and screwed ordinary people out of their retirement savings.

He has forfeited all rights to pose as a Democrat. In Winston Churchill's words, he is a sheep in sheep's clothing. Joe, do us all a favor. Go join your soulmates in the Republican Party and listen to their lies all day long. In the party of John Kennedy, Harry Truman, Martin Luther King and Bill Clinton, you have no place.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:09 PM
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61. ????WTF?????
"if we go back to big government spending, if we're against trade for protectionism -- which never created a job -- we don't deserve to run the country," Lieberman,

Every economist I've read this month states that government spending is the ONLY THING KEEPING THIS ECONOMY ALIVE (military spending)


Trade protectionism never created a job????
Ask the jobless Auto workers in Michigan about their jobs. While you are at, ask the steel workers in Pennsylvania, or the countless other formerly employed American skilled workers whose jobs have gone over seas to cheap labor
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:11 PM
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62. The rich never needed the tax cut Joe. It was theft....get out Joe
and join your republican thief friends who are trying so hard to distroy tge middle class and well paid working class. We are sick of you.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:12 PM
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63. Joe doesn't get it
Be glad when he's gone. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:19 PM
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65. Listening to Liberman, I now wonder
Had Gore selected Graham or another person as his VP in 2000, would Dumbya be in the WH right now.

Joe, drop out of the race, you are wasting our time with your dead rhetoric.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:47 PM
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67. I'd rather vote for Bush than Lieberman!
Oh how it pains me to say it...but it's true. At least he knows that he's on the scumbag side.
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mix68 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:56 PM
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69. he can kiss my white arse

n/t
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corgigrrl Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:18 PM
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70. really replying to everyone
Since the stinking Media keeps supporting Lieber-smuck, why don't we do this:

1) write to papers and say, we're sick of you supporting this non-runner nobody that noone in our party wants, so if you give him coverage, then, every time i see his smirky face I will not buy your paper for a week.

2) what other forms of boycott can we think of? these papers, these people don't care what we think, all they care about is $$$.

We have to show our power as consumers, because, when it comes to Joe, that's all these people care about.

The objective here is to reduce his continued name recognition boost, because that -- and a false idea that he is like Gore -- is truly all he has going for him.
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:28 PM
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71. GO REPUKE LIBERMAN. PEOPLE ARE LOSING JOBS.
G f*cking become a Wal-Mart associate for 2 years & get back to us.

Last thing we need is repukes.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:50 PM
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72. Lieberman = Bush III
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:38 AM
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73. Strawman Joe ....
AGAIN carrying water for the GOP .....

The Clinton tax program was HIGHER taxes on the rich, and 'targeted' TAX CUTS for Middle Class families .....

and it WORKED ! ....

NO Democrat has demanded an end to Middle Class tax cuts: .... yet Poor Joe has trotted this out for TWO damned weeks straight ...

Joe ? .... your FULL OF SHIT !

I am SO sick of this LIAR trying to haul us out to the woodshed every time he decides to pretend to know what we think ....

FUCK YOU JOE LIEBERMANN ! .....
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:40 AM
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77. Hey, Joe. If you really share my anger,
punch yourself in the face for me.
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Kucinich04 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:00 AM
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78. I am really beginning to despise this man...
SHUT THE FUCK UP, JOE.

Seriously.

Just shut the fuck up.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and all you are doing is perpetuate the myths of liberalism. Obviously, you don't care, because YOURE NOT A LIBERAL.

Which begs a rather obvious question: WHY DO YOU HAVE A FUCKING (D) NEXT TO YOUR NAME?

Oh, because what America needs is TWO REPUBLICAN PARTIES? Is THAT IT, you freaking moron?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:04 AM
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79. Better Headline:
"Left-wing Democrats Lash Lieberman" (to a log floating downriver, perhaps...)

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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:47 AM
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81. Now - THIS is a guy...
that should take more rides in small airplanes
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:25 AM
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84. Lieberman and the "vital center" -- ha ha ha!
He could teach a lemon how to be sour, but I suspect he couldn't even lead a neighborhood of SUV drivers to the gas pump. ;-)
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berton Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:07 AM
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86. confused
I honestly can't understand why Lieberman considers himself a Democrat... or why a person would be considered near the center when he seems to be supporting the great bulk of what a far-right administration's agenda. What in the world is he doing in this race?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:26 AM
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87. Go BACK to big government spending?
what the heck does he think is happening now? We are spending a billion a week in Iraq. That along with all the other programs has given us the biggest government spending in the history of the US.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:22 AM
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88. Some seem to thnk ...
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 08:31 AM by TahitiNut
... spending less than $400 billion/year is "soft on defense" but seem happy to cut veteran benefits. :puke:
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:25 AM
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89. when will lieberman change to a republican?
It sounds like he wants to be one.. i dont get whats stopping him
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:42 AM
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90. "Failed policies of the past"
- You mean like Social Security? Unions? Civil and equal Rights? Public Education? Choice?

- Why does Joe even call himself a Democrat?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:51 AM
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92. LIEberman is really getting on my nerves
he sounds more like a repuke everyday. I'm sorry to say that, but really, to be saying things like 'Dems don't deserve to run the country', well, that just helps no one but the Bush cabal, IMO.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:04 AM
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94. Tell it to Alf, Joe
I can't imagine 4 years of Joe giving press conferences. At least Bush's can be funny, in a scary kind of way. Lieberman is so boring he could cure sleeplessness.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:17 AM
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95. SHUT THE F*&K UP YOU PIKER!!!!
I am SICK and TIRED of this spineless GOP-wannabe spouting off about "left-wing" Dems...:mad:

Joe, you are an embarrassment to the Democratic party...do us all a favour and officially join the party you represent, the rethuglicans...:puke:

Either that or JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

TB
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:22 AM
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97. This shows the sorry state of the Democratic Party

When one of the top-ranking Democrats and the most recent Democratic Veep Candidate is lashing out HARDER at a solid base of progressive Democrats than he attacks right-wing Republicans that shows what a debacle this party is becoming.

Lieberman has bought into the propaganda. Lieberman you fool…It was “left-wing” government that gave us: Truth in Advertising Laws, Fairness in Housing Laws, Product Safety, Elimination of a 70 hour work week, eradication of slavery, Jim Crow and child labor, voting rights for women, environmental protections, GI Bill, Marshall Plan, TVA, removal of rat shit in our meats, etc., etc. ad nauseum….

Who the hell…Just who in the hell Championed all that? Made our world a more peaceful, cleaner, more honesty and safer place? It was f***** left-wing Democrats you freak. Get Lieberman out of here please.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:00 AM
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99. Lieberman is a traitor to go on Fox...
and bash the Dem's!! :wtf: was he thinking by giving Faux ammunition to use against we progressives????
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:11 AM
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100. news for Lieberman: Democratic = Left
how about upper class tax increase?
is lying about war ok with you?
do you really think this government's spending is small?
do you really think outsourcing will create jobs in the US?
your pandering to the repubs is to obvious.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:31 AM
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102. When Did He Say This??
"That's why I've said that the administration's actions have threatened to give a bad name to what was a just war."

Joe, you're sounding more and more like the unelected fraud in WH.

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:32 AM
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103. He's said it more than once
He's really proud of the line.
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 07:14 PM
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104. Joe Lieberman is the leading canidate
In the latest CNN poll. As part of the Gore ticket, he out polled Bush in 2000. A conservative Democrat strong on foreign affairs will be the Democrats' best chance.
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