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Nambe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:57 PM Original message |
Celebrities Protest Mass. Wind Farm |
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BenFranklinUSA (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Turbines Are Kinda Cute |
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TSElliott (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Probably because they drop the value of property by half. |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Can you back that statement up? |
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TSElliott (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Nope I was being facetious. |
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Ouabache (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 04:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
91. Windmills 10 mi away wouldn't decrease the values |
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damnraddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Even if that's true, tough! |
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grecco1 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-03 01:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
129. Celebrities sacrifice? |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. They're 3 mile off the coast |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Ocean front property |
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Chico Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
81. People sometimes buy oceanfront property to look at bridges |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Exactly |
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SaintLouisBlues (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 11:37 AM Response to Reply #83 |
115. View? |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 05:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
71. $500k homes |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I agree.... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. They're NOISELESS? And the idiots are complaining? |
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Yentatelaventa (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
55. Cellphone towers are quiet too |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. gee i dunno |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
123. Microwave antennas vs. wind that would be blowing anyway. |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'll choose turbines over drilling platforms any day! |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. So reducing W VA to a strip pit is fine, I guess |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Exactly what I was thinking, too |
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LosinIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
64. It must have been while you were kissing me |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Have you read any background info on this project? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
124. Yes. And what is the best argument against clean power again? |
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lightbulb (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Which is uglier... |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 05:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
70. Damn straight! |
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damnyankee2601 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
116. I kind of doub't you'd want one in your backyard. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:13 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Sure, I want one in my backyard. |
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zekeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. Now that is just annoying |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. Ted Kennedy is one of the opponents of the wind farm. |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. *Cough, Choke, Xcuse me???????* |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. The government doesn't OWN the sea, neither does this company |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
99. I think you are mistaken about this: |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
107. I have read some of the background material you provided and |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
122. And if this stops a SINGLE OIL SPILL? |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. you're "xcused" |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Must EVERYTHING have a price? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Yes, everything does have a cost. |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I'm sorry |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
101. I am against the kind of "tax" you mention being debating in CA. |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. On the other hand, cheap rent for a wind project is an incentive... |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 06:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
73. Robert Kennedy Jr. is one of them |
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LauraK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. The Rocky Mountains must come down first. |
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JewelDigger (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yeah.....there's lots of shale oil in the Rockies |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. Typical NIMBY bullshit. . . |
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GreenGreenLimaBean (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. I second that FZ |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wind turbines spin |
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Sufi Marmot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. They're actually pretty cool looking, IMHO... |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. All them there |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. avian mortality? |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. New, slow turning turbines spare the birds |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. These turbines are 420 feet high, not 300 |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Exxxon Valdez |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Do two wrongs make a right? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
127. What? Are you really comparing the two? |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. I care about the wildlife and still want the wind farm. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. What I am sure of is that this issue is as complicated as any other. |
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GreenGreenLimaBean (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. The issue here is Global Warming, not saving birds |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. No, the issue is whether this particular project should be built. |
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GreenGreenLimaBean (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 09:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
117. No I'm not saying that, you are. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. And what do you suppose the impact on birds is |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. The devil is in the details. |
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damnraddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. And what if a whale breeches, jumps up 400 feet, and gets killed? |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Thanks for your thoughful input |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. you forgot your sarcasm hat |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. There's better chance to hit a bird with you car than with a Turbine |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Depends on where you put the turbine, and where you drive the car |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 05:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
72. Consider cats |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. My cat is a regular offender there.... |
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damnraddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. This is happening all over the country. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Yes, wind turbines DO kill birds. |
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no_arbusto (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Can't they install guards or screens around the blades? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. I'm sure the company would say it would cost too much |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
65. That wouldn't work |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:54 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Makes sense |
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PartyPooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. And, airplanes kill birds, too! |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Let's ban all airplanes then, is that what you are saying? |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Is Altamont Pass |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Yes, and No. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. The celebrities should find a *new* place for the project |
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kwolf68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. Liberal celebraties are scum |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Calm down, Kwolf, they aren't against the windmills |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
82. You put the windmills where the wind is. Period. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 04:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. might as well cover Mt. Washington |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 06:16 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Where is Mt Washington? |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. Mt. Wash is in New Hampshire. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. PLease allow me to address your ignorance |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:51 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Given the choice between Mt. Washington and Nantucket Sound |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 09:21 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I've actually never been (or "climbed" as the bumper sticker says) |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 09:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Mt Wash |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 11:21 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. Oh yeah, someone from NH told about that once. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
128. I can. Because they have their heads up their selfish rich asses. (NT) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
33. Personally I'd love to see them in the distance |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. What is YOUR choice? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No environmental review for wind-energy projects? |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I'm not proposing anything |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 04:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
89. hahahaha |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 07:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. You know about this story because the Republicans using it to attack |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Which candidate are the Repubs using this to attack? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:46 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Kerry, who's waiting for the EIS to be complete |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
56. rich people |
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TennesseeWalker (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. Stop fighting windmills. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
62. The pollster |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
66. oh I love this one |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
67. Don't you see you are being manipulated by the writer of the article? |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. No we are not. |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. No we are not. |
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republicansareevil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 03:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. Feanorcurufinwe... |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 07:01 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. A voice of reason! thanks |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
74. This is the kind of thing that kills us... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Any large or small project |
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Aaron (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
98. Aren't they three miles out to sea or something? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Yes the view is justone of many issues covered by the environmental review |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
120. Why not? |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 03:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. I would welcome them. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 07:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Did you read any of the background material? It is not only about the view |
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section321 (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 08:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Yes, I read the background material and I still disagree with opponents |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 08:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Then you'll know not to characterize their opposition as all about view |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
121. It's a load of NIMBY crap. |
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Chico Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
76. Is ahhnuld protesting? |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
79. Well, then..... |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 03:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Would they prefer a view... |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
100. For more sources, from both sides |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 12:03 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Excellent link, lots of info, independent sources |
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pfitz59 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
103. Lighthouses and foghorns! |
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Ouabache (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. All these back and forth arguments leave me spinning... |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-03 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
112. I'm confused. Last summer Christie Brinkley and Billy |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
119. Damn, the headline sure fooled me. |
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HungryLoser (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-03 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
126. Hmm?.. Which view?.. Wind Turbine, or smog? Wind |
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