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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:12 PM
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Funeral outburst at Bush and Blair

Fusilier Gentle's former colleagues attended the service

A church minister has denounced Tony Blair and George Bush at the funeral of a Scottish soldier who died in a roadside explosion in Iraq.

Fusilier Gordon Gentle, 19, from Glasgow, was killed while on a routine patrol in Basra on Monday, 28 June.

At St James' Parish Church in Pollok, Church of Scotland minister Dr John Mann spoke of his anger at politicians who had led the country into war.

Members of the Royal Highland Fusiliers regiment attended the service.

The soldier's family have already criticised the decision to send him out to Iraq just weeks after he finished his training.


I want to believe that if there is a God in heaven then there will be justice because I want someone to pay for Gordon's death



Dr John Mann

And in a message directed at the prime minister and the US president, Dr Mann said: "Shame on you."

The American reverend told about 800 people who gathered to pay their final respects that Fusilier Gentle was killed fighting an unjust war.

Speaking during the service, Dr Mann said: "I want to believe that if there is a God in heaven then there will be justice because I want someone to pay for Gordon's death.

"And only God may judge who is ultimately responsible. I can only admonish. I am just a preacher.

"If I were to point them out I would say to President George Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair I have only three words of admonishment.

"And I pray that they may someday be inscribed on the tablets of your hearts. And those three words are 'shame on you'."

More at link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3871957.stm
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:15 PM
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1. Good old Glaswegian straight-talking.
You can't beat them on that.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 04:39 PM
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9. Except the minister is actually American
but obviously he's chosen to live in Glasgow, and so appreciates the Glasgow culture.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 08:03 AM
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16. Good old American straight talking then.
Glad to see it back.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:16 PM
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2. Imagine if a priest or minister here told the truth that way!
They'd be booted out of their order for being commies.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:17 PM
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3. We have a few, mostly in the United Church.
God, I love the Religious Left. You don't hear about them much, but they're out there, hollering the social gospel.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:26 PM
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4. i may misquote this
but this morning there was a post that the council of presbyterian churches censored bush for starting the war & lying to the public about his reasons.


i may have misread or misremembered, but i took it to mean the ruling body for the presbyterian religion.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 10:29 PM
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15. Many have but they are not politically powerful
Only the voice of the religious right gets heard because they spend money to get the political message out.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:26 PM
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5. A true Christian!
Jesus would approve. It's the only Christian position.

SHAME ON YOU, BUSH AND BLAIR! You can't believe in heaven, or you would tremble in the knowledge that you aren't gonna make it there . . .

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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D-Notice Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:42 PM
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6. Good, but...
A Glasgow-kiss would've been more interesting to look at!
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HjalmarPoelzig Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 09:56 PM
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14. "Does your mother...."
...know how to sew?"

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 03:45 PM
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7. I agree with his conclusion
but I wonder if that's what the family needed to hear. But, that's a personal thing, and it could be that they approved.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 04:36 PM
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8. The mother has been even more outspoken
"Why don't Tony Blair and Geoff Hoon send their own families out to Iraq?" asked Mrs Gentle, a cleaner. "My son was just a bit of meat to them, just a number. They don't care about him. All they're worried about is the next election.
"This is not our war. My son has died in their war over oil and they haven't even taken the trouble of picking up the phone to say they're sorry for our loss."

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/19127.html
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:27 PM
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11. The Mom is right
How awful for her.

Ya gotta wonder about those who cling to "my son died in a just war" as if their lives depended on it. Poor, fragile souls.

The Bush Dynasty. Some dynasty! Only the poor will die-nasty.

Julie
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:13 PM
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10. amen brother!
go ahead and preach!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:30 PM
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12. Does this mean we can add the Church of Scotland
to the Roman Catholic Church, the Presbyterian Church, the United Methodist Church, et. al. as being AGAINST this war?!?
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