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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:10 AM
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Bush refuses to answer questions about Ken Lay
I wonder how long he can keep walking away?




US President George W. Bush walks away from a briefing with the media, refusing to answer questions after he was asked about Enron and the reported indictment of former CEO Kenneth Lay, who was a close adviser and fund-raiser for Bush and his father, earning him the presidential nickname of 'Kenny Boy.'

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040708/photos_ts_afp/040708125254_jg418y7h_photo1


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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:12 AM
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1. rated the photo thanks n/t
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:54 AM
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29. Me too, currently 4.37 with 168 votes n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:29 PM
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40. Just the finest photo we've seen in years!
Just finished rating the photo:
Its current average rating is 4.21 with 419 vote(s).
Didn't anyone ever tell him posture counts?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:12 AM
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2. How Embarrassing!
What a pathetic fool...
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:13 AM
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3. Sticking fingers in ears, "Lalalalalalalala".
You can run but you can't hide and on 11/2 we will fire your treasonous ass, mr. busholini.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:13 AM
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4. Would Hitler answer questions about Fritz Thyssen?
Same thing.

Actually, these reporters are quite lucky they didn't ask that question fo Nero or Caligula Bush, who would actually DO to them what Cowardly Bunnypants* is THINKING.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:17 AM
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25. Would Fritz Thyssen answer questions about Prescott Bush?
Heir to the Holocaust
Prescott Bush, $1.5 million, and Auschwitz: how the Bush family wealth is linked to the holocaust


Toby Rogers

While the Enron scandal currently unfolds, another Bush family business scandal lurks beneath the shadows of history that may dwarf it.

On April 19, 2001, President George W. Bush spent some of Holocaust Remembrance Day in the Capital Rotunda with holocaust survivors, allied veterans, and their families. In a ceremony that included Jewish prayers and songs sung by holocaust victims in the camps, Benjamin Meed, a survivor of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, movingly described to the gathering what he experienced on April 19, 1943.

SNIP...

President Bush, appearing almost uncomfortable, read a statement that said that humanity was "bound by conscience to remember what happened" and that "the record has been kept and preserved." The record, Mr. Bush stated, was that one of the worst acts of genocide in human history "came not from crude and uneducated men, but from men who regarded themselves as cultured and well schooled, modern men, forward looking. Their crime showed the world that evil can slip in and blend in amid the most civilized surroundings. In the end only conscience can stop it."

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

CONTINUED...

http://www.clamormagazine.org/issues/14/feature3.shtml
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:44 AM
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27. We need to find a place where every person can find a seat with a table
I really don't like to feeling as some stray dog being thrown scraps after dinner. This Ken Lay stuff kind of sounds like small potatoes to me, but important to the point it is a vivid example of how it worked

It kind of related to your prior posts and screen handle to this point, that as this stuff has been going on decades or longer, but to the man who put a name to it, is where I thought you might know. I was wondering if you have any info on him and it.

I posted this in another thread but I was trying to figure out how it relates here

(snip)
Even worse than than then all other things the scandals with the banking, drugs, money laundering etc. This very foundation of the international banking system has been compromised badly. What she got to view and find out about others have probably died over. We must be getting pretty close now. If we weren't there wouldn't be all these draconian laws foisted on us with B.S. invasions. The P.C. is a powerful tool, with a Internet it has been multiplied many times.

This banking thing is where its at, but things fastened to it is what makes it very criminal and the people doing it have gone to great lengths to keep it secret. At least from my take on it. Here is an old story of guy that probably got iced, Had there been such things as P.C.s in his day, it wouldn't of went down with him. (a lot of people know this stuff I am sure, but be diplomatic, some people know little of it)

http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/91/6/octopus.asp
THE OCTOPUS FILE

by Phil Linsalata
Linsalata is a reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Joseph Daniel Casolaro's family and friends buried him on August 16. Less than a week later, feeling a little like a vulture, I joined a handful of reporters at Nightline's Washington headquarters to pick over the notes and files left behind by the forty-four-year- old Washington free-lancer known to his friends as Danny.

His brother Anthony, a doctor in suburban Washington, had gathered the materials and given them to Nightline after staff members there offered to keep the documents safe. Dr. Casolaro also agreed to allow some of the reporters who had been working the same ground as Danny to go through the files.

As he spoke with each reporter, the doctor encourage continued investigation. he raised the possibility that his brother had been murdered in his hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia, challenging the statement by Dr. James Frost, West Virginia deputy chief medical examiner, that the physical evidence held "nothing inconsistent with suicide." Somehow, authorities had failed to notify family members until almost two days after the death. In the meantime, a preliminary ruling of suicide had been issued, clearing the way for a thorough cleanup of the scene and the embalming of the body, which would make a later autopsy more difficult.
(snip)

The Secret I just learned about was these unpublished accounts (a bank without a real adress of sorts) there are tens of thousands of them, Enrons, Shells and other big multinationals have them (that way they can keep that offshore stuff, and not have to worry about anybody finding out it's hidden from a lot of things, regulations, taxes, litgation etc)

Edmonds just got to encounter people and ways it all gets hidden by this group of people in the state dept, this is very big (IMHO)

Here is another link to how it works

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f387.html

FTR#387
(snip)

Judge Tosses Suit by Fired FBI Translator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x668712
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:59 AM
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33. Yes. A really big room. I believe Danny Casolaro coined the phrase...
As you noted nolabels, Casolaro was investingating how the Bush name seemed to be at the axis of all sorts of treason and criminality going back to Dallas in 1963 through the October Surprise, Inslaw/PROMIS, Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate, and BCCI. The guy thought he had the goods on the BFEE and ended up dead.

THE OCTOPUS

by Karen Bixman

The People News Reporter, originally published 11/14/94

"...tentacles of Danny Casolaro's octopus were joined by a web, and many unknowing victims have been swept into the jaws of its mouth."

Through the efforts of Terry Reed and John Cummings, their book Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA, has given readers an inside view of the inner workings of the Iran-Contra affair and the resulting Whitewater scandal.

SNIP...

For over a year before his death, Casolaro was running down leads on an operation he termed the "Octopus." In a proposal he wrote for his upcoming book, Behold, A Pale Horse, he was prepared to expose an international cabal made up of "thugs and thieves who roam the earth with their weapons and their murders, trading dope and dirty money for the secrets of the temple."

According to Danny Casolaro's brother, Dr. Anthony Casolaro, the Octopus was not a secret organization but a group of individuals that participated in clandestine operations for profit.

"He didn't envision them as a group like the Mafia, but more as a network... They would overlap when their needs coincided," said Dr. Casolaro. "Using the analogy, BCCI would be one arm of it. The 'October Surprise,' Danny said, was literally just another arm. Inslaw is yet another arm."

CONTINUED...

PS: Sorry I'm not more detailed. There's lots more stuff to post ASAFP tonight or tomorrow night.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 01:11 PM
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36. Thanks, that was the kind of info I was looking for
Sweeping it under the rug, doesn't make it go away

The Real Deal About Enron (Part 1) - Introduction
Thursday, 3 April 2003, 12:42 pm
Column: Catherine Austin Fitts

Mapping the Real Deal…
The Real Deal About Enron

... an interview with Scoop Real Deal Columnist Catherine Austin Fitts
Part One Of Seven Parts
By Daniel Armstrong*
Originally Published By Sanders Research Associates

<*Daniel Armstrong is a writer and novelist based in Eugene, Oregon. Mr. Armstrong is a graduate of Princeton University and attended the University of Oregon School of Journalism.>

If my years working on the clean up of BCCI and the S&L crisis taught me one thing that I would communicate today to the shareholders, retirees and employees who have been harmed, it is this: people like those on the board of Enron absolutely make money from insider trading, bid rigging and fraud, and they do so with help from the highest levels.
-- Catherine Austin Fitts.
(snip)
What investment banker Catherine Austin Fitts invariably emphasizes in her discussion of global money flows is the extent to which criminal proceeds play a part in the real world economy. This should come as no surprise to anyone. Not after all America watched their pension funds stripped away, while dot­com CEO's pocketed millions of dollars in profits from stock market "pump­and­dump'' schemes. Not after energy traders like Enron, Dynergy, and Reliant have been accused of using the California energy crisis to manipulate the market, causing vicious price hikes, rolling browns out and power shortages. No. In this past year, our naiveté and trust in Wall Street, perhaps the world in general, has collapsed much like the World Trade Center did that fateful September morning.

The world really isn't any different, it's just that some of the veils have been shorn away, and long­time Wall Street insider Fitts figures there's no sense pretending innocence any longer. Tax evasion, insider trading, drugs sales, black budgets, and terrorism are a significant part of global economic dynamics. It's simply how the money works in a financial system where so-called creative accounting methods are as transparent as mud and money laundering is part of the quantum mechanics of financial law. "The Real Deal,'' as Fitts refers to her straight­on analysis of money flows, "is that financial fraud, in all its wide variety of deceits, is the most profitable business on the planet today.'' Based on her eleven years experience on Wall Street and eight working with federal agencies cleaning up HUD and several large banking scandals, my guess is that Ms. Fitts knows what she's talking about.
(snip)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0304/S00031.htm

"THE ENRON BLACK MAGIC, PART TWO"
by Sherman H. Skolnick 12/08/01
(snip)
Again, like the bribery of both houses of Congress by the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International, BCCI, there is a practical necessity, in the view of some in high places, for a cover up. All, supposedly to save the Established Government and the peace, prosperity, and tranquility of America as a Republic.

Of the billions apparently secretly sucked out of Enron, the bulk went disguised as at least 600 billion dollars, if not even more, at key moments, to temporarily prop up the U.S. stock markets. That is, some 20 billion dollars, multiplied by the black magic of fractional reserves to 600 billion dollars. Some who count beans faster than others, contend it is actually many trillions of dollars, supported by fractional/fictional reserves piled on derivatives piled on drifting sand in some uncharted oily desert.



Enron became the all-purpose, world-circling trading desks for energy, a contractor for oil, natural gas, and electric services, a near-limitless investment machine, a telecom, a biggie piggy bank, an insurer. In short, as major newsfaker Time Magazine described it in their 12/10/01 issue "the brash energy-trading giant called Enron". And, "After weeks of escalating financial troubles, business had effectively collapsed in many of Enron's most important markets. Only months earlier, Enron was considered one of the most innovative U.S. companies, having brought new-economy tools such as Internet and sophisticated hedging strategies to the old business of matching producers and consumers of electricity, oil, natural gas-and eventually some 800 other commodities and services. Its operations directly or indirectly touch almost every American home and business." AND, how many members of the U.S. Congress and OTHER foreign parliaments do they also touch? Is Enron a latter day Bank of Crooks and Criminals International, BCCI?
(snip)
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/tebm2.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 05:01 PM
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51. Sorry I forgot the LINK! Aargh...Here 'tis.
American Buddha good. Bush bad.

http://www.american-buddha.com/octopus.htm

EXCERPT...

Desired to speak, but feared for their jobs

The Senate report stated its inquiry was hampered by Justice Department's lack of cooperation and that it had found employees "who desired to speak to the subcommittee but chose not to out of fear for their jobs." The Senate committee was therefore forced to conclude that there was no basis for the charges, and no action was taken against any employees of the Justice Department.

During Casolaro's investigation into Inslaw, he met CIA operative Michael Riconoscuito, who claimed that he had participated in a joint venture in weapons manufacturing, financed by the CIA, between Wackenhut Corporation, a security company run by former intelligence and military officials, and the Cabazon Indian Reservation in southern California.

He stated that he had been given the PROMIS software for modification by Earl Brian, and was now being framed with reportedly trumped-up amphetamine charges by the federal government.

Riconosciuto also claimed that, in connection with this work on the Cabazon Reservation, he had been involved with the development of chemical and biological weapons in a project connected with Park-O-Meter (POM), the parking meter company owned by Seth Ward.

CONTINUED... at the above link.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:14 PM
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58. That's a BIG effing business now
I remember when they were ramming that Indian Gaming stuff through California back in the mid and late eighties. Mostly it seemed a few of the enterprising spooks had latched on to tribal councils after they found this niche in the law that made the reservations sovereign entities immune from many state and US laws. The casinos popped up like a plague all over the place. This Cababzon one was really a bussler before they started this phase


Artist rendering of Casino Morongo hotel/casino expansion

The new $250 million, 44-acre Morongo Casino, Resort and Spa will offer a diverse range of entertainment, lodging, meeting facilities and retail services. The 23-story hotel will have approximately 310 rooms.

The new hotel/casino, projected to occupy 659,800 square feet, will include a lounge, buffet, café, nightclub, steak house and other restaurants.

Designed by the internationally renowned architectural firm of The Jerde Partnership, the project will be built by Perini Building Corporation. The Morongo resort is slated for completion in late 2004.

Visit www.morongocasinoresort.com for more details and reserve a room today!
(snip)
http://casinomorongo.com/expansion.cfm
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 08:38 AM
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53. You always dig out this conspiracy stuff
that makes DU look bad ;)
but it is always very interesting!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:46 AM
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57. Who cares what we look like?
We want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help help..............

Our whole government is Cheneyed up

Swing States



Blonde Editorial: Why are the Republicans trying to win swing states? It appears to be way off their agenda especially since they are so hell bent on preserving marriage. I imagine that swingers don't exemplify the moral values that Republicans would like us to live up to, in fact it seems a bit kinky to me. I am surprised that Mr Bush would even tempt his Christian soul by even campaigning in a swing state. I can understand that Mr Kerry would campaign there being that he is a hell bound Catholic, but why even bother campaigning in a swing state? Swingers seem to be quite liberal and are most likely to vote Democrat anyway. So what is all the hoopla about anyway?

UPDATE: This blonde is so embarrassed. I got a vast amount of email explaining to me that swing states aren't for swingers. Swing states are for people who go both ways. Now that is really kinky.
link | posted by BlondeSense @ 12:48 PM | (0) Comments So Far | Trackback (0)
(snip)
http://blondesense.blogspot.com/2004/06/swing-states.ht...
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:MLmn34QzH28J:blondes...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:51 PM
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59. Ken Lay may be the reason we bombed Afghanistan. So I don't
consider anything about this criminal's behavior to be small potatoes. We were planning to bomb Afghanistan in the summer before 9-11 and we had planned to initiate the bombing prior to the snowfall, which would put it right on schedule. The whole OBL/9-11 thing is a scam, just like the Saddam ruse.

If we were able to see those secret public energy documents, I'm sure it would shed some light on this. You can be certain Ken Lay was involved. Also, from a California perspective, I want to see the plans they had for destroying California.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:09 PM
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60. The reference was in the scope of money involved
California got raped along with a few other states to a lesser degree. Legal extortion in short. Our government is so messed up nothing short of revolution will change it. Until that time, I just expect it to get worse.

I contend "those secret public energy documents" you talk about may contain even more important links than we know (or even the authors even). These folks hiding out at the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave are way dirty. This is why I also contend we will never see "those secret public energy documents".

There is so much incriminating evidence even just floating around the internet that it can perplex the mind how still it goes on. The compromised government is the answer. We will never find justice in our government till we take corporations out of all the agencies they are working in (which is most, in one way or another). Don't you think its funny that most Corporations and our Government operate on the types of principles ?
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:14 AM
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5. That's the real caption!
Wow. We've got to make that "Kenny Boy" meme stick.

-MR
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:16 AM
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6. What kinds of questions would he answer?
To be perfectly honest, I think Bush is in the right here. He is in charge of the executive branch, which is executing the prosecution of Mr. Lay. Moreover, any statements made by the "President" (and I use the term with the strongest of qualifiers when referring to this imbecilic criminal) about a standing proecution could endanger that prosecution. I'm willing to hear an argument otherwise, but I think he may have good grounds for remaining silent on this (apart from his 5th Amendment grounds against self-incrimination!:-)).
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:19 AM
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9. he could answer questions about his relationship with Lay
and another obvious question would be why did he lie about whether he knew Lay?

Neither of these questions would hurt the case in any way.

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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:19 AM
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10. You're probably right...
but there is NO way I would ever think that Cheerleader-in-Chief would understand what an 'executive branch' was, or what it meant to endanger a prosecution.

Simple fact is the guy's an idiot and he doesn't know what to do in times of crisis.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:24 AM
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11. As Colin said on Whose Line
Scenes from a hat, "What President Bush is really thinking in cabinet meetings".

Colin: Looks around, perplexed.. "There isn't even a cabinet in here".
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:45 PM
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41. Always remember * statement during recount days
"the Executive branch is the law interpreting branch". That was the day I knew he was a complete idiot.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:42 AM
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19. True enough...but.....
He has on other opportunities taken the occasion to brag how his administration is cracking down on the "few bad apples". who "diminished faith" in our business environemnt..

Interesting that he didn't do it here.....
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:45 AM
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21. how about this question:
Did you take money from Kenny-boy while he was fleecing the nation?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 12:05 PM
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35. Or, will your campaign pay back the money it raised from
Kenny-Boy so that it can be used to as restitution for the investors that were cheated and the employees that were cheated out of retirement?
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:57 AM
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30. But Bush didn't say that. He didn't say anything.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 12:02 PM
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34. Nevertheless
n/t
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
66. didn't W possibly mess up the murder case of one of the
James Byrd killers in one of the 2000 debates???
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:18 AM
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7. That picture reminds me a lot of Nixon. Head down walking away.
Nixon used to walk away from press briefings like that with his head down.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:31 AM
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16. That was my first thought too!
It takes a crook to know a crook :-).
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:18 AM
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8. Reporter: "President Bush, do you and Kenny Boy practice safe sex and
will you continue to call him Kenny Boy when he's in prison.. or will you call him 'bitch'"?


heh..
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:24 AM
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12. George is starting to look like a beaten man
It will be fun to see him slouch lower and lower as November draws near. Guess he will have to start doing his blow again to start perking up.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:41 PM
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61. Have you noticed how fat he is getting?
I guess that he is too hungover to keep up his fitness regime.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:25 AM
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13. will this mean questions will be asked about Afghanistan?
Edited on Thu Jul-08-04 10:27 AM by cosmicdot
or just running enron into the ground?



~ out of sight, out of mind ~



from Robert Lederman 5 February 2002

~snip~

"... do a GOOGLE search (at www.google.com) using these keywords:


Pipeline Enron Uzbekistan Cheney Halliburton


--Robert"



Enron and the oil pipeline deal

"Uzbekistan has difficulties finding venues for its gas,"
Alexander's Gas & Oil Connections, 22 Oct 1998
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntc85031.htm

"Enron/Uzbek Oil and Gas: Represented a multinational energy company in connection with its joint venture to develop an oil and gas deposit in Uzbekistan."

"Mayer, Brown, Rowe, & Maw / Project Finance Practice Group
http://www.mbpprojectfinance.com/transactions/s_oilgas.html
"LIST OF AMERICAN COMPANIES AND JOINT VENTURES IN UZBEKISTAN", Bisnis, 1996
http://www.advancenet.net/~k_a/uzbekistan/companies.htm

((cdNOTE: 2 LINKS ABOVE NOT WORKING))

"The one serious drawback companies have faced is getting the supplies to the right market, the energy-hungry Asian Pacific economies. Afghanistan -- the only Central Asian country with very little oil -- is by far the best route to transport the oil to Asia. Enron, the biggest contributor to the Bush-Cheney campaign of 2000, conducted the feasibility study for a US$2.5 billion trans-Caspian gas pipeline which is being built under a joint venture agreement signed in February 1999 between Turkmenistan, Bechtel and General Electric Capital Services."


Source: "Drillbits & Tailings: October 31, 2001", reprinted in: Project underGround
http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/6_08/1.html

~snip~

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:37 AM
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17. Robert Parry: Bu$h's Conspiracy to Riot
the Miami “Brooks Brothers Riot”

~let's empty the skeleton closet~ cd

"More than three decades apart, two political riots influenced the outcome of U.S. presidential elections. In 1968, protests at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago hurt Democrat Hubert Humphrey and helped Republican Richard Nixon eke out a victory. On Nov. 22, 2000, the so-called “Brooks Brothers Riot” of Republican activists helped stop a vote recount in Miami -- and showed how far George W. Bush’s supporters were ready to go to put their man in the White House."

~snip~

"The documents show that the Bush organization put on the payroll about 250 staffers, spent about $1.2 million to fly operatives to Florida and elsewhere, and paid for hotel bills adding up to about $1 million. To add flexibility to the travel arrangements, a fleet of corporate jets was assembled, including planes owned by Enron Corp., then run by Bush backer Kenneth Lay, and Halliburton Co., where Dick Cheney had served as chairman and chief executive officer."

~snip~

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/080502a.html
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:12 AM
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24. Thanks, Cosmic. Good to see a repost of Kenny Boy & Fla. Fiasco
Amazing the Media doesn't "connect the dots" by mentioning things like this..
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:26 AM
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14. Geez. How come we haven't seen this on the cable networks this AM?
Perhaps because we have again been diverted with the Ridge Homeland Security press conference at 11AM--also, coincidentally timed with the 11AM Kerry/Edwards rally in Ft Lauderdale--not to mention the New Republic online article about the pressure put on the ISI to capture a high value target HVT such as Osama, Mullah Omar or Al Zawahiri during the Democratic Convention!

GOP overload trying to overcome all the bad news!

By the way, Ridge admits there is no specific time, place or target. In other words--not only is there is nothing new here--the terror alert will remain at orange.

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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:01 AM
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22. Actually the terror alert
is at yellow and will not be changed. These people are so obvious that even the corporate media is starting to catch on to the game.
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hansolsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:35 AM
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26. I was thinking the same thing
Watching the news, post Internet, is a whole new world. I never watch or read just to get the news any more; I already know the news -- it was on-line yesterday.

I just watch to see how the corporate grand poobahs manage the news. That, in itself, is very instructive.

Thank God for the Internet -- it's almost enough to make me believe there is a God.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:29 AM
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15. "Hit the showers, Bush. You're off the team" ... eom
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:41 AM
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18. Wow. Amazing.
It's just stunning to see this fool in action. I know the reason why he opted to walk off the stage. He knows that the reporters are smarter than he is. Any answer he gives will explode in his face like a pineapple grenade later on. He knows he's guilty as hell with both situations. He's taking the weasel's way out and walking away.

Just unbelievable.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:31 PM
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67. remember some 'reporters' comments about pro W bias
in 2000 campaign???

Someone said reporters were comfortable with W because they each knew they were smarter than he is/was.

But Gore upset them because they knew/were afraid Gore was much smarter than they were/are.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 10:43 AM
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20. Has anyone seen a transcript on this briefing?
That might be interesting
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:59 AM
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32. No sign of it anywhere
This appears to be the appearance:

Bush, at an appearance in Waterford, Michigan, was asked by reporters about the indictment but walked away without answering.

http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=5612674

The Whoite House web site has a transcript of Bush's remakrs at Waterford, but, surprise, surprise, no mention of any reports questions.

What's the betting that the McClellan press briefing today will have long answers from him on the terra scare, and hardly anything about Lay?
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:05 AM
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23. Oh Kenny BOY
THE FEDS, THE FEDS ARE CALLING
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:46 AM
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28. You can run but you can't hide
More and more of this stuff is going to stick to him.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 11:58 AM
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31. I was talking w/ a
overly professing 'independent' last night (in the course of conversation he revealed himself as a st ronnie worshiper). He brought up lay/enron/CA energy rip-off . When I mentioned the enron jet use during the '00 primarys, he goes (eyes wide, head jerks up) "Really"! Now here is a person, relatively informed - he WAS at a local candidates forum, and he is shocked @ this bit of what I accept as everyday, out there, available information. I walked away thinking people STILL do not know this......IN-cheney-credible.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 01:54 PM
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37. Ken who? NEXT Question!
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 08:45 AM
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54. hmmm, let's see
"I have no present recollection of that man. that lay. Ken lay."
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:02 PM
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38. Petulant child.
That's what I think every time I see this bastard. If he doesn't get his way or things are going so swell, he pouts like a petulant child. What an embarrassment.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:19 PM
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39. The shrub's TRIAL LAWER is liable to be very busy...n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:45 PM
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42. new pic.....bush doing the Lay perpwalk thanks RatTerrier
Edited on Thu Jul-08-04 02:46 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 02:51 PM
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43. Questions ? What questions?
"We don't need to answer no stinking questions from the liberal terrorist supporting elite media."

HA. You are scum, sir, nothing but scum.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 03:00 PM
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44. This is an international corporation
Ken Lay the figure head is a sacrificial lamb and * if needed. If weird or amazing things happen in with this don't be surprised. Does anybody remember when they brought all shredder trucks over for Enron (most of the stuff was on electronic data) they just wanted to fool people


http://financialservices.house.gov/banking/61198jab.htm
Testimony of

JACK A. BLUM, ESQ.

Before

The Committee on Banking and Financial Services
U.S. House of Representatives

on

Efforts to Combat Money Laundering

June 11, 1998
(snip)
Offshore banking, the use of offshore financial centers and the use of tools which place money beyond the reach of the civil and criminal justice systems has grown exponentially over the last few years. There are now more than one million anonymous corporations and we estimate more than $5 trillion in assets are held in the name of offshore entities. While a substantial portion of this is legitimate -- businesses such as captive insurers and shipping subsidiaries -- a very substantial portion is not. The portion that is not is the bank for the international criminal community. It is where most of the world's drug money is laundered. It is home to the proceeds of crime from around the world.

The data on money laundering and on the use of offshore financial centers is inadequate. We were forced to make estimates because many of the offshore financial centers do not report their activities in a usable form or conceal their data by including it in aggregates. Very little information is available on the holdings of International Business Corporations1 because these corporations are not required to file financial reports. A serious effort should be made to get the offshore financial centers to report the full scope of the activity they support.

Most of the world's money laundering in offshore centers involves tax evasion. Although there are legitimate ways of using offshore entities to minimize taxes, most of the offshore arrangements are designed to avoid income and estate tax by the home country of the owner of the money. Tax evasion should become a predicate offense for the crime of money laundering. All too frequently the professionals who help serious criminals cover their actions by claiming that all they are doing is helping someone "avoid" taxes.

Money laundering is an essential element of international financial fraud, market manipulation, illegal arms dealing, people smuggling, and the theft of intellectual property. Indeed, the amounts concealed in connection with these other crimes far exceed the total amount laundered by the drug trade. The Criminals engaged in all of these activities use the facilities of the offshore financial world to hide their profits, and pay their suppliers and employees.
(snip)

Just think what 6 years make it look like
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 03:01 PM
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45. Just like Milli Vanilli when one of them ran offstage...
after the pre-recorded track started skipping.

At least he was coaxed to come back to the stage to clean up the mess.

Now take a look at this so-called (p)resident. Every jerk that supports this a$$hole should be forced to look at this picture. Some strength.</barf>
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 03:08 PM
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46. The media are wimps
They know the answers to the relationship question, but instead of asking Bush to verify specific details they ask him the wimpy general question about what was the relationship.

Looks as if Bloomberg got impatient and just published an article including the whole story, details and all.

I do love that picture. It is priceless.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 04:14 PM
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47. Kick!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 04:17 PM
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48. Read the original Bush-Lay letters
while the WH tries to downplay the relationship.http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0708042lay1.html
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 04:21 PM
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49. one criminal indicted, another walks away.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 04:23 PM
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50. He's Going for a Record, Folks
The Olympics of Denial, and he's up against some strong champions:

Hitler (1938-45)

Stalin (1917-?)

Pol Pot (I'm shaky on dates, folks)

to name a few
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-04 05:13 PM
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52. Avg Rating: 4.09, 1490 votes - Your Rating: 5



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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 09:31 AM
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55. He can run but he can't hide. Call Michael Moore.We need an F-911 sequel.
If he gets on it right away he could have a sequel ready by October.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:31 AM
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56. Slump shouldered? You'd be sad too
If you just lost your best friend.
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Avalon Sparks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:52 PM
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62. Bush is the real flip/flop...
His cronies are projecting big time when they try to pin floping on Kerry.

Bush will probably shoot his mouth off about Lay soon enough.


The Rove strategery changes with the wind...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 04:05 PM
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63. Story of Snippys stomping out
Angry Bush Walks Out on Media, Refuses to Answer Questions About Relationship With Ken Lay
By Staff and Wire Reports
Jul 9, 2004, 05:44

A clearly-rattled President George W. Bush walked out of a media briefing Thursday, refusing to answer questions about his close relationship with indicted Enron executive Kenneth Lay, a campaign benefactor Bush nicknamed "Kenny Boy" when the two were up-and-comers in Texas.

The President, visibly upset, stomped off the stage when reporters pressed him about his relationship with Lay and left White House press secretary Scott McClellan to deal with the questions.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4805.shtml


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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 04:36 PM
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64. ...what a fuckin' asshole!!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 03:32 PM
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65. Shocked?
I am not surprised by his actions, what surprises me is that he actually had a press conference. He has had the fewest of any president since the advent of mass media. What he does give is dictatorial speeches, either from military bases, or to audiences of his supporters.

Duh'bya never did answer to anyone or anything. He enjoys appointed power that is above all that. Even the U.N. or our pre-bush allies got stupid looks and dumb ass remarks from him.

Why not a reporter? He has been successful at costing many of them their careers.

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