This will piss you off. "Bush's National Guard Records "Destoryed"

[cease_fire]

Snip

"HOUSTON, July 8 - Military records that could help establish President Bush's whereabouts during his disputed service in the Texas Air National Guard more than 30 years ago have been inadvertently destroyed, according to the Pentagon."


Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/politics/campaign/09records.html

Apparently, the microfilm was victum or a "restoration accident".

Just....wow.

[TryingToWarnYou]

How convenient....

Can you post the article or a link that doesnt require you to register?

[Mace]

16. here

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/politics/campaign/09records.html?ex=1089950400&en=4820315663b5a96a&ei=5062

[jono]

17. bugmenot.com (nt)

[blm]

1. The media should ask for James Bath's records then.

No doubt they were accidented, as well.

[Wind Dancer]

2. This is BS, pure and simple!

This does not surprise me, nothing this group does anymore.

[AlFrankenFan]

3. You usually destroy records for one of two reasons

One, because the records are of no importance to anything or anyone whatsoever or...

Two, because the records have something that could be possibly harmful to one's self.

It wouldn't surprise me that Bush has something to hide.

[Wonk]

4. Destoryed? You still have time to edit the tpyo in your headline.

As to the article, :puke:

[SunDrop23]

5. Who knows what has disappeared since 2000.

This isn't the first.

[Leilani]

6. Inadvertantly Destroyed?

Anybody here shocked & awed?

[Solly Mack]

7. Same thing happened to his father's SEC filings for Zapata Oil

they were found to be "inadvertently destroyed"

[Octafish]

18. Same thing happened to Smirko's late SEC filings for HARKEN.

Politex sums it up nicely:

Bush Family Skeletons

TEENY TINY EXCERPT... 1990

January: Bahrain awards exclusive offshore drilling rights to Harken Oil. This is a surprise as Harken is in very shaky financial condition, has never drilled outside of Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma and had never drilled undersea at all. The Bass brothers are brought in by Harken for sufficient equity to proceed with the effort. Harken's stock price increases from $4.50 to $5.50.

George W. Bush sells two-thirds of his Harken Energy stock at the top of the market for $850,000, a 200% profit, but makes no report to the SEC until March 1991. Bush Jr. says later the SEC misplaced the report. An SEC representative responds: "nobody ever found the 'lost' filing." One week after Bush's sale, Harken reports an earnings plunge. Harken stock falls more than 60%. Bush uses most of the proceeds to pay off the bank loan he had taken a year earlier to finance his portion of the Texas Rangers deal.

August: Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. Harken's stock price drops substantially. Two months after Bush sells his stock, Harken posts losses for the 2nd quarter of well over $20 million and is shares fall another 24 %, by year end Harken is trading at $1.25. Bush has insisted that he did not know about the firm's mounting losses and that his stock sell-off was approved by Harken's general counsel.

SOURCE:

http://bushwatch.org/family.htm

Where is that "lost" filing? Where is the paperwork? Whre are the regulators? Where is the SEC? Where is the FBI? Where are the courts? Where is the Congress? Where are the people in authority who actually BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES?

[Solly Mack]

20. That family is real good at losing SEC filings aren't they?

http://bushwatch.org/family.htm

[Octafish]

27. Here are two FBI memos EVERY American should have:

Dated 22 November 1963, the first talks about George Herbert Walker Bush ratting on some college Republican by the name of PARROTT as a possible assassin of President Kennedy:



Dated 29 November 1963 and initialed by J Edgar Hoover, the second describes "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" which goes a loooong way to explaining things today. Of course, the anti-Castro community was reported to "regret" the assassination of President Kennedy.



These are not monsters. These are gangsters cut from the same cloth as the NAZIs.

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

[Solly Mack]

30. THANK YOU! I had these on my old computer that got fried and have

been hoping to get more copies!!!! THANKS!!!!

You're the greatest!!!!!!!!!!

On Edit:

Do you have the info on Nixon and the Dulles brothers regarding allowing the Nazis into America? I found it several years ago and have been unable to relocate it since the computer death.

Thanks in advance!

[Octafish]

31. Anytime, Solly'!

Feel the same way about you.
Feel the same way about your husband, who's serving the country right now, IIRC.
And I feel the same way about DU.
Because what this community does is spread the Truth about these BFEE bedwetting NAZI turds.

Regarding these FBI documents: One (and probably both) directly tie George HW Bush to the JFK assassination. I wonder if Poppy'll live to be questioned on it by a legitimate investigative body? His sons have acted like he never will.

Hope they remember what's happening to Pinochet.

Regarding Dulles and the NAZIs, here's a quick link to excellent source:

CIA's Worst-Kept Secret

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Here are lots of resources from bobthedrummer and other DUers beating the BFEE:

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

And a personal favorite:

If Bush thinks NAZI thing is bad, wait till JFK stuff goes public!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=550847

[Ganja Ninja]

39. George H W Bush AKA The man on the grassy knoll.

[0007]

42. Didn't the Air Controllers FAA recordings on 911 also

get accidentally destroyed?

The United States of America should go with full force after George W. Bush and Richard Cheney for war crimes, distortion of creditbility, and making statements that twist facts to promote fear in the American people.

How much more is this country gonna take from these loony toons?

[nosmokes]

8. the abscence of proof

is proof. that was rummy's logic for not finding WMD in iraq. hell, if it's good enough to kill a few hundred american GIs and maim thousands more and spend the country into bankruptcy, that same logic should be good enough to add another log to the chimperor's farewell bonfire.


(ta, dave)

[chrisesq]

28. Well played.

If they're going to use that kind of screwy logic, well it fair game to use it against them.

[AirAmFan]

9. WH communications office czar Dan Bartlett "made his bones" in

the Bush mob by "scrubbing" bound archives mentioning Dubya, according to a book by Paul Begala if my memory serves me well tonight. He apparently left a sliver of a page that records honorable discharge, but excised dozens of pages with any mention of reasons why honorable discharge could have been in doubt.

It will be interesting to see how McClellan handles questions about this during the next briefing with the White House Press Corpse (thanks to LittleApple81 for this term) He ought to call on Bartlett to answer them. For Bartlett, if Begala and others who repeated this story are to be believed, the answers would be direct lies about his own behavior, rather than lies about what others in the maladministration did or did not do.

I believe the book that has this story is Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?" It paints a picture of a Texas governor using his staff systematically to wipe his record with Texas agencies clean. Anything that might have hindered political advancement had to go.. In addition to Texas National Guard records with mysterious excisions, there is the matter of a changed Texas driver license number. The old number would have led back to a drunk driving conviction in Maine.

The informant for the Texas National Guard records scrub story is one "Lt Colonel Bill Burkett", according to many sources I just googled.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

10. What about the records of his "compatriots"

Were they destroyed too, or is this just one of those random "flukes"?

[Bolo Boffin]

11. We have the payroll records from that time period already!`

That was all released in the document dump.

The New York Times is hopelessly confused about this issue. To see the status of the questions about Bush's Guard service, check out this article:

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

It's a keeper.

[buff2]

12. Another cover-up for the idiot

That bastard will never have to pay for anything he's done.There is always someone ready and willing to give him a free pass. It's the most pathetic situation I've ever seen. I fear he will NEVER go away,and we will have to see his ugly ass face everyday for the rest of our lives. Just one day after Kerry and Edwards go off campaigning look what happens to take the attention away from them.....another phony terror alert. Who knows what that miserable scheming group of imbiciles have planned next? I was so excited yesterday....and happy as I could be,then when reality sat in I thought to myself...we must be nuts to think King George will give up his throne,he's always had his way and by God NO ONE better get in the way this time either! I am scared we will wake up to another nightmare after the election (if there will even be one) of looking at the front page of the newspaper seeing his phucked up face with the headlines "Another Victory for Bu$h"! :puke: :scared:

[Octafish]

13. Gee. Maybe Tom Tomorrow wasn't kidding?

Now I know that never happened, but it might've with a real President.

Regarding the "restoration accident:" A real Pentagon Inspector General will have to investigate.
Like blm said, James R Bath is a good place to start.

[oasis]

14. great toon.

[flutter by]

15. Restoration accident

my ass. :grr:

[sushi]

19. I like all these

"Collateral damage"
"I can't recall"
and now "Inadvertently destroyed."
:crazy:

[Demonaut]

21. lies, more lies........bush is the antichrist...PROJECT PULL

that's where he spent his time

[leesa]

22. Too Funny... in a criminal sort of way.

[G_j]

23. was Ollie North there?

he is good at that sort of thing.

[gottaB]

24. I betcha the Bushies wish they had destroyed Kerry's records too

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/service.html

[bullimiami]

25. 96 97...

Does anyone recall when the bush house cleaners were supposed to be sweeping up his records?

[iconoclastic cat]

Those idiots couldn't find their ass with a flashlight and a road map.

I'm not surprised. How about a list of the things/people Bushco can't find:

1. Military records
2. Osama bin Laden
3. 20,000 insurgents in Iraq
4. Weapons of mass distruction
5. About $18B
6. Connections between jack and shit

I'm sure there's more.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. If it was MY shitty assed bad records that could cause me grief

you know that they would be on 3 different kinds of microfilm, magnetic tape and 8x19 glossies, and immediately available.

[TacticalPeek]

29. This should simply increase the pressure on aWol to release all records.

"Those are records we've all been interested in," said James Moore, author of a recent book, "Bush's War for Re-election," which takes a critical view of Mr. Bush's service record. "I think it's curious that the microfiche could resolve what days Mr. Bush worked and what days he was paid, and suddenly that is gone."

But Mr. Moore said the president could still authorize the release of other withheld records that would shed light on his service record.


-------------------

It's the coverup that will bite their ass. Lack of records just puts the story back in the cycle with additional question marks on aWol's 'honor'.

Convenient accident, that's the aftertaste here. Might make some reporter want to look at this family's many 'convenient accidents'.

[AirAmFan]

32. NYT finally reversing a crucial Dan Bartlett AWOL spin, 4 years too late?

Today's Times story notes that Bartlett failed to return two of their phone calls about Dubya's military service. They weren't so vigilant with him four years ago.

During the 2000 campaign, the Times enabled Dubya to escape accountability for not serving his entire Guard term, according to a Boston Globe reporter.

From a Salon story archived at http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/020904A.shtml

"Bush's Missing Year, By Eric Boehlert

Salon.com Thursday 05 February 2004

...The Times finally addressed the issue on July 22, two months after the Globe exposé was published. The Times article, written by Jo Thomas, ... went on to write, "National Guard records provided by the Guard and by the Bush campaign indicate he did serve on Nov. 29, 1972, after the election. These records also show a gap in service from that time to the previous May. Mr. Bush says he made up for the lost time in subsequent months, and guard records show he received credit for having performed all the required service."

On Oct. 31, the Boston Globe published another damning story, suggesting Bush failed to serve -- in fact, did not even show up for duty-- during the final 18 months of his commitment. The Times' Thomas quickly wrote, "A review of records by The New York Times indicated that some of those concerns may be unfounded." Contradicting the Globe's account of Bush war service, the paper reported that Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett "pointed to a document in Mr. Bush's military records that showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May."

The document cited by the Times is apparently the mysterious torn paper that appeared in Bush's records in 2000. That document, a "Statement of Points Earned," tracks when guardsmen have served, and whether they have fulfilled their annual duty. It contains references to "29" and "14" and other numbers whose meaning is not clear. The Times did not inform its readers that the document is badly torn, undated, and unsigned; does not have Bush's name on it (just a wayward "W"); and has a redacted Social Security number. "The Times got spun by Dan Bartlett," Robinson at the Globe told Salon. He and others note that if the documents provided by the Bush campaign proved he did Guard duty upon returning to Houston in January and April of 1973, then why, on Bush's annual effectiveness report signed by two superiors, did it say, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report," which covered the dates between May 1, 1972, and April 30, 1973?"

[Swamp Rat]

33. Ha ha! Now, anybody can accuse Bush for being AWOL, but

he no longer has an official record to prove that he DID actually serve. Whatever they say is bullshit, and if they find a new-old record it is a fake.

[Dr Fate]

34. How come my records dont ever get destroyed?

Boy-I wish I was so lucky.

[truthisfreedom]

35. dupe... original link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=674181&mesg_id=674181

[GoBlue]

36. Life Expectancy for Acetate Film

The IPI Storage Guide to Acetate Film can be used to estimate the life expectancy of acetate film materials. The following chart illustrates the predicted life expectancies for the previously cited storage conditions. The first number of years in each storage condition is for new film and the second is for film that has begun to deteriorate. Estimated Life Expectancy (in years) for New (1st#) and for Deteriorating Acetate (2nd#)Film in Selected Storage Environments

Office, Air Conditioned
70°F at 50%RH
40 to 5

Cool Storage
65°F at 35% RH
90 to 15

Cool Storage
55°F at 30% RH
200 to 40

Cool Storage/Frost Free Refrigerator
40°F at 35%
800 to 130

Cold Storage
25°F at 30% RH
1500 to 400

Cold Storage
0°F at 30%RH
1500 to 400



http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/abbey/an/an19/an19-4/an19-410.html

[Piperay]

37. I'm sure it was completely accidental

NOT! :wtf: Anyone who believes that is lacking a brain! :freak: :silly:

[xchrom]

38. raise your hands if you're surprised.

anybody?

[matcom]

40. funny. MY Military Records Weren't Destroyed!

MINE are still intact! funny how that works.

the most powerful man in the world and ........ OOPS! ...... SORRY! .......

hhoooowwwww ccoonnnvvviiiiieeeeeeeeeeeennnnnntttttt :eyes:

hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

:eyes:

[Ganja Ninja]

41. How unfortunate for the Deserter N' Chief ....

Now he can never clear his name and the Democrats can throw all the accusations they want at him.

[BeatleBoot]

43. "My Dog Ate My Service Records!"

This is so beyond lame.

Who was the neo-con nit-wit who thought this one up?

I like this part:

<snip>

There was no mention of the loss, for example, when White House officials released hundreds of pages of the President's military records last February in an effort to stem Democratic accusations that he was "AWOL" for a time during his commitment to fly at home in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director who has said that the released records confirmed the president's fulfillment of his National Guard commitment, did not return two calls for a response.

[jumptheshadow]

44. Systems and procedures

The controversy about Bush's records started during his run for governor. In 1996 and 1997 it was already very clear that these records were a matter of public interest and, in fact, probably had historical value. So if you're embarking on a "preservation" project, why choose this particular batch of records? Why not select a small sample that includes uncontroversial material and do a trial run to ascertain that your copying process won't ruin your source materials?

On the other thread about this subject somebody with apparent technical knowledge contended that microfilm could not self-destruct in this manner. Is this true? If it is, then I can hardly wait for the technicians to start speaking up....

[dmr]

45. Doesn't the military do things in triplicate?

Wouldn't there be more than one file stored here and there? Or a copy of each record scattered in various file cabinets

Also, I thought the Bush* camp said they reviewed his file before the 2000 campaign. There was no mention then of this 'accidented' occurance.

This is ridiculous.

[Skinner]

46. This is a duplicate

Original is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x674181