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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:15 AM
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Fukuyama Withdraws Bush Support (PNACer not voting for Bush)
Famous academic Francis Fukuyama, one of the founding fathers of the neo-conservative movement that underlies the policies of US President George W. Bush's administration, said on July 13 that he would not vote for the incumbent in the November 2 US Presidential election.

In addition to distancing himself from the current administration, Fukuyama told TIME magazine that his old friend, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, should resign.

In 1997, Fukuyama together with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush, signed a declaration entitled 'The New American Century Project'. That declaration set the groundwork for the neo-conservative movement.

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Fukuyama said that because of those reasons he could not vote for Bush in the upcoming elections. He added that he has an important place among the right wing and could affect the outcome of the elections; however, he explained that he would not carry out any studies in that direction because he is not eager to fight with 'old friends'.

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20040714&hn=10372
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:18 AM
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1. Cheney: "FUKU, yama."
Rats desert the sinking ship.

Don't worry, professor, we will remember you.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:51 PM
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10. Bit late now. Toothpaste is out of the tube.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:18 AM
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2. end of history, right.
appears that frankie's ideas got highjacked by bandits
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:19 AM
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3. woh. . .
that's a big rat to jump the sinking ship!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:24 AM
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4. Yes, a very big one
And Fukuyama chaired a seminar in April which was highly critical of the work done so far in Afghanistan and Iraq. The seminar material is very damning to BushCo.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:28 AM
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5. Do ALL the PNACers have a God complex?
Does he really believe that he's so important that his opinion could "affect the outcome of the elections"?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:26 PM
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13. Yep, and the reason why Bush made the announcement Sunday ...
of canceling the elections..and of course instituting Martial Law..(can't have one without the other)

this was Bush's way of saing FU to Fukuyama.

iow..."I don't need you!"
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:29 AM
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6. Francis Fukuyama
He was one of the bigwig advisers to Raygun during the Ron Yasu era :eyes: that should tell you all you need to know about him--that and he helped write PNAC :puke: :puke:
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:35 AM
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7. Fukuyama knows bush* is going to lose miserably in Nov.
So to make himself appear more important than he is he says, "that he has an important place among the right wing and could affect the outcome of the elections." Covering his ass for the defeat that is sure to come!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:31 AM
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8. What an arrogant pos! The good news of this is that none of these guys
is willing to admit they screwed up - so when the heat is on they will all look for the most convenient (and self serving) exit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:20 PM
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9. Hey, some of us could have told them this...
"Fukuyama is still angry at the Bush administration since they refuse to admit to the mistakes they have made. Fukuyama had warned that after the war, Iraq would be dragged into an internal conflict and would export terror to the world."


We should put this on a big Banner and advertise it ..to the Country!

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:01 PM
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11. I HAD to see what this PNACker looked like, similar to being hypnotized
by a snake! Sure enough, he's got that overbearing, and constipated look as well!



Well, we PNACkers are mighty self-important types, it seems.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:38 PM
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12. I wish i shared Francis Fukuyama's sense of the import of Francis Fukoyama
"He added that he has an important place among the right wing and could affect the outcome of the elections."

If that is true Francis Fukuyama should get the Francis Fukuyama Medal of Freedom.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:03 AM
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14. This is something of a surprise
Of course, there's no reason to think that neoconservatism is any more monolithic than liberalism or progressivism.

Fukuyama is still angry at the Bush administration since they refuse to admit to the mistakes they have made. Fukuyama had warned that after the war, Iraq would be dragged into an internal conflict and would export terror to the world.

I am actually surprised that Fukuyama opposed the war in Iraq; he seems to stand alone among neoconservatives in calling it right.

Nevertheless, The End of History is a piece of crap.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:24 AM
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15. Confirms suspicion
that PNAC- as despicable and ugly as it is- is actually only a PR front group for actually a rosier, idealistic coalition of conservative policy, not much different in character than other lizard think tanks or policy committees that spring up like expensive weeds in GOP territory.

I don't subscribe to a more monolithic secret cabal behind the scenes either. Mainly, I believe, it is a coalition of the willing feeding on the kill. Those who sit in power over governments and dragon hoards don't really believe in the ideals and mainly it's about the money, the keeping of it and the crushing of rivals. With the possible, incompetent and dangerous exception of W, though I don't buy his sincerity even if he does himself.

Waiting for a self-centered fiasco to machine gun themselves out of existence however is as useless as waiting for a mob war to solve the crime problem.

This jerk is still part of the problem.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:31 AM
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16. only a PR front group for actually a rosier, idealistic coalition
Sure thing, a rosie group of nice well meaning guys who hijacked the foreign policy of the USA and sent the country off on an illegal and unending war.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:32 AM
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17. hee! Fukuyama was, like, "I didn't mean "End" literally!"
whoops! PNAC took my post-Hegelian wanking a tad too literally. Must...disassociate...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:21 AM
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18. kick
:kick:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:51 AM
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19. Apparently, Fukuyama is crying foul, feeling used and abused..
"In 1997, Fukuyama together with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush, signed a declaration entitled 'The New American Century Project'. That declaration set the groundwork for the neo-conservative movement."

One intellectual swimming in a sea of anti-intellectuals.

What did he expect?

And the walls of Jericho come tumbling down!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:55 AM
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20. too late
the neocons will be forever linked to Bush's sinking ship. Permanetly discredited! :bounce:

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