AP Seeks Release of Bush Military Records

[bluedog]

AP Seeks Release of Bush Military Records

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WASHINGTON - The Associated Press asked a federal judge Friday to order the Pentagon (news - web sites) to quickly turn over a full copy of President Bush (news - web sites)'s military service record.





The White House has released partial documentation of Bush's military service in the Texas Air National Guard but has not complied with the news service's Freedom of Information Act request for any record archived at a state library records center in Texas, the AP said in a court filing.


Records released so far do not put to rest questions over whether Bush fulfilled his National Guard service for a period during the Vietnam War, the AP argued in papers filed in federal court in New York.

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[UpInArms]

1. you go AP!

this miscreant must be cornered and trapped for the vermin he is.

[maddezmom]

21. and don't forget to rate it

:)

[UpInArms]

29. Its current average rating is 4.68 with 49 vote(s) ...... eom

[maddezmom]

48. Avg Rating: 3.98, 282 votes - Your Rating: 5

needs more votes!!!

[qanda]

2. Give it up Bush

Nobody in their right mind believes you served honorably and you should just go on confirm what we already believe.

[drmom]

3. Yeah right, like they'd do that...

...clearly there is something to hide, or we'd have seen them by now!

[Raster]

37. you hit the nail right on the head...if everything is okey-dokey,...

...those records would be RAMMED down everyone's throat. Obviously those records contain information $hrubco does not want made public. Period.

[neuvocat]

4. Didn't AP already do that?

[grasswire]

5. they filed suit some weeks ago...

...but now they are apparently trying a new tactic to force it to happen.

[ShootingStarr4u]

53. "they filed suit some weeks ago..."

I've been telling them for some time where to look and what to ask for in FOIA's. The Pentagon is stonewalling, not realizing there are at least 3 former officers telling me how to direct their legal search. The latest is a motion asking the judge to order the release of ALL documents within three days because the WH has delayed and dragged it on lying and stating they released everything in 2000 and again in February. They must realize by now there are duplicate copies of the microfiche and we know it. If the WH continues to stonewall and lie, the two page disciplinary document signed by his commanding officer, LTC Jerry Killian, deeming him "unreliable" and grounding him for substance abuse will come out before the election.

I do not have the document, but there are several copies floating around.

[llmart]

6. How anybody in the military can support him.....

is beyond my comprehension. They have/had to do their time and they know he didn't, yet some veterans still support him???? Strange people.

[soothsayer]

7. bwa ha ha ha!

This ought to be GOOD.

[napi21]

8. I thought the micorfiche was destroyed?

I think it's great they haven't let this story die, but I thought the Pentagon announced, just a week or so ago, that the microfiche had be accidently destroyed. Does AP not believe that, of do they think there are still some paper records hanging around?

[grasswire]

11. read the article

this is a different set of records.

[Laughing Mirror]

20. Well do You believe the Pentagon?

Why should the AP? It is, after all, their business to get to the bottom of the story, report the facts even when they sometimes have to take extraordinary measures to get them. They are doing what they are supposed to do. It's their job.

[hang a left]

23. There is supposedly 4 copies of microfishe with backup records

in case of the destruction of a set of records.

[nolabels]

41. Something about the records in that underground cave also

Pretty ridiculus that they can't find any records, but some are more kooky than others ;-)

U.S. Underground Military Facilities
http://perso.club-internet.fr/vadeker/beyond/infinity/undergroundbases.txt

[saskatoon]

49. records destroyed

a couple of years ago a copy was inline and like a fool I didn't keep it. Also it told about a fellow airman who daid Bush didn't show up---I forget the details.

[grasswire]

9. at least...

..the judge is a Clinton appointee. Yeah!

[West Coast Democrat]

10. I thought everything was destroyed in a mysterious 1997 accident......

shortly after the evil doers decided Bush* would be the GOP nominee.

(edited for typo)

[truthspeaker]

34. No, just the "fragile" microfilm

[RamboLiberal]

46. 1997 - and story says alleged that embarrassing material was removed

From the article:

There also are allegations that potentially embarrassing material was removed from Bush's military file in 1997, when he was running for re-election as Texas governor, the AP said.

Come on AP! Was it AP in on the recent Felon Roll down in FL being made public Looks like in '04 some news outlets are paying some attention.

[SpiralHawk]

12. There's nothing wrong with telling the truth

Mr. Bush. Come on. Cough up the papers.

Let the chips fall where they may.

[Triana]

13. heheheeee!

...turn up the heat a notch...even if (W)easel doesn't turn over his AWOL records, the heat is good for him.

:evilgrin:

[RobertDevereaux]

15. See what the Denver Post says this morning...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2004989#2006147

[maddezmom]

18. "The buck, it appears, never stops"

would be a great bumper sticker.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

33. I agree...

we've already seen that he doesn't handle pressure very well.

[JohnnyRingo]

14. They'll probably get a coffee can full of still smoldering ash

[Pastiche423]

16. IIRC

The "damaged" microfilm is not the only copy of his records.

There should be "undamaged" records in Texas.

[punpirate]

42. I wonder about that...

Col. Bill Burkett took a lot of heat for saying that the Texas guard records had been cleansed in 1997 or so, when Bush was running for a second term as governor:

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2004/02/calpundit_interviews_bill_burkett_on_cleansed_bush_files.html

My understanding was that there were two sets of paper copies, one held by the Texas Guard and one by the Denver office of the National Guard (the entire national guard's records repository). Whether the Pentagon or Denver had the microfiche record, I'm not sure.

If the AP is seeking the records in Texas, those may already have been diddled with--unless there's another set in Texas somewhere.

Cheers.

[Pastiche423]

54. See post #47

I din't think I had it backwards.

[vetwife]

17. I am all over his butt as well..........Go AP.....Sent that clip out

to Helen Thomas and every veteran org. I could get an email addy on. It is already broadcasting day and night on Veterans Radio Broadcasting ....Just heard it with Liar Liar playing right after the comment. ROFL ! I also sent it to AP !

[Sequoia]

19. Someone somewhere knows if Bush was around

In fact, I'd say there are plenty but either too afraid to come forward, have died in accidents, or commited sucide by shooting themselves in the back.

[vetwife]

22. Here is some info regarding Corpman..disabled vet 's station

VETERANS' RADIO / WAVBSR

I am happy to announce to you that on June 30, 2004; I began broadcasting over the internet. The station WAVBSR, Veterans Radio; The American Veterans Broadcasting System is geared to active duty, reserves, guard units and of course all American Veterans. I am broadcasting news, views,events and music of all kinds. You can be a part of this historic event by e-mailing The Corpsman, our assistant manager of this group at: [e-mail]

You may listen to the station at this link below and know that solidarity of the veteran position is not far behind. Enjoy!

http://www.live365.com/stations/thecorpsman

Sent: 7/11/2004 12:42 PM
Corpman..Listen to this..It is an outrage !
http://www.go-titlepro.com/downloads/BushInVietnam.mp3
Amanda

Reply
Recommend Message 3 of 3 in Discussion

From: Samuel Hennon Sent: 7/12/2004 9:31 AM
Thanks Baby; IT is going on the Air....The Corpsman
----- Original Message -----
From: vetwife
To: veterans for unification
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Announcement from Managers of veterans for unification

[truthisfreedom]

24. RATE IT! i just pushed it to 4.53 from 4.51 with 32 votes placed.

woohoo! more headaches for rove! watch this one disappear too... records building will suddenly "go up in conflagration" and the suspicion level will climb to "red alert!"

[Barrett808]

32. Done: Avg Rating: 4.21 with 77 votes n/t

[Manix]

25. They will be scrubbed if and when they ever see the light of day.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

26. I thought they were "inadvertently destroyed"

:shrug:

[marlakay]

27. I read the same thing

It said they "accidently destroyed them while looking for them" I forget where I heard it.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

30. I read it in the NYT!

:mad:

[kskiska]

36. Salon article on destroyed microfilm

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/15/missing_records/index.html

[PsN2Wind]

39. Dates to the VietNam era

when it was found necessary to destroy things in order to save them.

[vetwife]

28. I knew this story had teeth ! It will bite him..Wait and see !

Lord this administration hates me..I know it...I fffffffffffeeel it !
We are all pushing this and they hate us ! ROFL
That station is playing to active service members/veterans as well LOL !

[Terran]

31. Why does AP hate America?

Sorry, I just had to. :+

[vetwife]

35. ROFL...That station is playing Chain of fools now after that clip

Just Now ! ROFLAO ! I am helping program the songs ,,,Laugh Laugh !

[sniffa]

38. they shouLd aLso request Laura's driving record

[SoCalDem]

40. The stuff the link to is interesting too

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[Swamp Rat]

43. Bring it on AP!!!

[Jacobin]

44. SECRET. National Security Classification

We must not let the terraists know that Smirky is a deserter!!!!

[FighttheFuture]

45. With the microfilm destroyed, forgery is much easier... Moore already...

caught them in F-911 expuging Bath's name (a Bush buddy) who wa salso suspended with him from duty.

I predict a 40% chance of a setup to clear his name with the "official", unalterable (microfiche cannot be altered, only recreated) records destroyed!

[Rose Siding]

47. The Austin microfilm isn't what they said was destroyed

The Denver microfilm was destroyed. The AP knows those weren't the only relevant records:

"Texas law requires separate record keeping for state National Guard service, and those records should exist on microfilm in Austin, the AP said."

[struggle4progress]

50. But they have no trouble finding Charles Jenkins' records. eom

[Cocoa]

51. thank you, Michael Moore

and Wesley Clark and Terry McAuliffe.

And fuck you, Peter Jennings.

[ShootingStarr4u]

52. "AP Seeks Release of Bush Military Records"

Where do you think they are getting the directions and
information on where to look and what to ask for?  I've been
reporting the facts on AOL political message boards and even
here once or twice for months exactly what they are
hiding...and several copies of the documents are floating
around. I do not have them and do not know who does.  I am
told they will be released before the election.  W is just
going to have to bite the bullet and take the heat for the
cover up of his past.

What they are SO desperately hiding is a two page disciplinary
counseling report signed by his commanding officer, LTC Jerry
Killian, deeming him "unreliable" and grounding him
for substance abuse under the Human Reliability Program. 
That's why he didn't get his required flight physical.  He
knew he'd never fly again.  Dan Bartlett allegedly removed a
section of his file known as the Unfavorable Information File
(UIF). They are switching the document numbers around to hide
the gaps in the records. W wasn't dishonorably discharged or
busted and sent to Viet Nam because his father was Nixon's
Ambassador to China.  

I hope this answers everyone's questions.

[TahitiNut]

56. I'm betting the substance abuse finding is based on a civil arrest record.

That's why he did 6 months of community service in Houston. The fucker's a felon. (Although he probably only got misdemeanor possession ... of cocaine.) James R. Bath was probably nailed along with him and got a lifetime income for keeping it secret.

[robertarctor]

55. Where's your DD-214, Shrub?

That's one simple document that Bush hasn't produced yet. Where is it?

[Bluebear]

57. His Pet Goat ate it.

nt