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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:56 PM
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McCain Praises Cheney As Rumors Swirl
LANSING, Mich. - The Republican rumored to be Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s replacement effusively praised the vice president Friday, introducing him to Michigan voters as "indispensable, very debonair" and "not just another pretty face."



Sen. John McCain, the maverick Republican who often has been at odds with his GOP brethren — starting with President Bush (news - web sites) — joined Cheney to stump for the presidential ticket in the swing state that narrowly went for Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000.


As the buzz in Washington continued about Cheney's future and the chance McCain might fill his spot, the Arizona lawmaker offered a testimonial to Bush's No. 2, tracing his career in public service from previous Republican administrations to the U.S. House to defense secretary during the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) to the post-9/11 era.


"He is in effect deputy commander in chief," McCain said of Cheney, who some Democratic critics contend is really calling the shots in the White House. "We are very fortunate the president relies on the counsel of this man," McCain added, praising Cheney's "resolve, experience, patriotism," and calling him "indispensable and very debonair."

~snip~
more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=716&e=7&u=/ap/20040716/ap_on_el_pr/cheney

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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:58 PM
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1. Cheney has to be the ugliest
motherCheneyer I have ever seen. His cruelty and disdain for others shows in every enlarged pore on his sneering rat's ass face.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:48 PM
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19. chainsaw *snarl* Cheney
is one ugly evil creepola in my book!

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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:18 PM
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42. McCain got it right about Cheney not being just another pretty face
That's the only thing he got right though. I just don't understand
how McCain can kiss up to that bunch of con-artists. He's surely above that?
:puke: :shrug:
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 03:42 AM
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56. He has no principles
The Viet Cong broke him (sadly) many years ago. They turned him into a coward, which is why he's sucking Bush's cock like the vanquished, feeble man he is.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 09:53 PM
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45. Cheney is almost too hideous to appear in public
Cheney reminds me of a swine rolling in his own waste.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:54 AM
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61. Ha! You're an original.
It was refreshing to get your direct impression of the thing living somewhere underneath the ground in/near Washington D.C.





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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:07 PM
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2. this is really pathetic
I do not want to make excuses for this man, because in a way he personfies a lot of what our own Democrats do--they cannot say they are for the rights of all citizens , including gays who want some legal definition to a lifelong committment to the one they chose to love in the form of a legal marriage under the law, but they have to say that they are against gay marriage, (abortion or any other, take your choice) but they are for gay committments or some other type of shit like that

Why can't they just say that all Americans are entitled to equal rights and they support that? What the hell is the risk in taking that democratic stand?

I tell you what the risk is --the loss of money to them and their continued campaigns from the lobbies and the corporations.

They continue to play this game. They have us all bound and gagged,. They are and they are not for equality amongst all citizens.

I am sick of this.

I will vote for Kerry, because
Buish is horrnedous, but I am not happy with that type of a vote.

I need and want truth and honesty , not more spin and more obfuscation and more doubt. Not more jerking us around.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:25 PM
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26. I'm with you Marianne
but we'll never get it. It seems so simple to us. Why can't it to the politicians? I still think Ted Turner was right yesterday when he said there should be no more men in charge for a 100 years. Let women rule and we won't have these damn wars and inequalities that exist. I heard McCain today introducing Cheney. He had about as much enthusiasm in his voice as a bowl of mush. None whatsoever! He should be taking lessons from Gore or Dean!
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:07 PM
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3. McCain needs to shit or get off the pot.
Either come out and fully endorse one side or STFU.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:09 PM
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4. i think mccain
is setting up his own pins. he knows bush is going down and he's gonna drown every pub who doesn't jump ship. i think mccain is setting himseLf up to be the new Leader of his party.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:25 PM
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13. That is the feeling I had when reading this.
How ironic McCain stumping for Cheney. Cheney is on life-support, for fuc*s sake.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:43 PM
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18. Yeah, that's a possibility

but that assumes that Kerry wins this year, so McCain can, what,
run against Kerry in '08? Possible, but it doesn't sound right.

McCain's big hope is that * wins this year, and for his loyalty now,
McCain runs in '08, but not against Kerry.

Course, if that's his calculation, he is mistaken. The BFEE will never
let McCain run... they will either run Powell or another Bush.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:06 PM
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22. i tend to beLieve
that mccain is just giving them the nudge over the cLiff. in novak's sunday poLitics roundup (my paper does it every sunday, i don't know if it runs in others) - one of his 3 weekLy paragraphs focused on meetings mccain has been having w/ arizona repubLicans and some members of the senate about his beLief that bush is not going to win arizona, and probabLy not win the eLection.

i think mccain is staying above the fray and stumping with a knife behind his back. personaLLy, i'd weLcome mccain as the new rep. Leader over frist, deLay, et aL.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:27 PM
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27. I tend to agree. The BFEE value loyalty above *all*. McCain will never
get a real leadership position in the Republican Party as long as the BFEE and their buddies are running it. McCain is too loyal to his country over the Bush family for them to allow it. So, I think he is trying to get them out of power, and usher some somewhat sane Republicans into the leadership.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:27 PM
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47. I hope yer right sniffa!!
We're doing our best here in Arizona!!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:55 PM
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38. Powell, Never!!!
Powell is not a Neocon. What would the Neocons have to say about Powell being the President? They would never accept that!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:27 PM
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48. Powell is a closet NeoCon


He sends out little nibbles to let people think that he is different from the rest of the Sopranos. He is not IMO, he is lock step with them.
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #38
58. Well, as long as he does as he is told...
he will get along just fine.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:11 PM
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5. This is a hoot! "Indispensibel and debonair"..
I think McCain is being ironic here. But correct with the "indispensible" part.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:14 PM
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6. Tracing Cheney's career?
Did he happen to mention the $23 million worth of business Halliburton did through its "offshore" subsidiaries with Saddam in 1998? Or doesn't Dick routinely list that on his resume?
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:16 PM
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proving, of course, that one can be a war hero and
still be an asshole!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:19 PM
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25. Mc Cains re-election
is there someone (Dem) that has a chance to run against him this year?.........To me.......hes like our Zil Miller........maybe republicans feel the same way about McCain!

Whoever is detected in a shameful fraud is ever after not believed even if they

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:42 PM
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16. Yes, I wonder if 'Trading with the Enemy' qualifies one as debonair?
Or bribing foreigh governments?

Cheney should be considered an enemy of the US, given his trade deals with Iraq while a US trade embargo was in place. Why isn't he in jail awaiting his sentence?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:15 PM
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7. I watched the speech
It looked like McCain was reading it for the first or second time. Maybe the Bush people wrote it for him?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:21 PM
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11. Of course they wrote it.. I used to respect Mccain
I do not agree with a lot of his ideas, but i always thought he was an honorable man.. This ends that thinking..

To see him praising the same idiots who TRASHED him and his family, is more than I can stomach..

I think he will be the candidate for veep, and this is their way to call off the republican dogs who LOBBIED to have him recalled because he "said bad things about their dear *)..

FUDick will clutch his chest and be whisked away.. I said it a year agp, and I am still saying it..

He will probably do it the 2nd night of the Dem convention.. Who will be interested in the Dem convention if our vice president in in the hospital?? Not many of the news people :)

He will probably be released from the hospital 5 minutes before Kerry accepts the nomination..

Remember the split screen when the OJ verdict came in during the SOU speech:)
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:37 PM
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14. Not too many will be interested if VP is in the hospital...
believe it or not, a large percentage of people in the USA don't even know the name of the VP. Before Cheney, I could understand that. But when I saw a recent poll where so many people didn't know this time around, with Cheney, I was quite dismayed.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:39 PM
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15. But the MEDIAwhores will be all over it all the time..
If it's not on TV, it didn't happen..You can bet that there is a plan afoot to take tv coverage away from Kerry's convention.This would do it
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:21 PM
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10. Bullshit! McCain doesn't give a rat's ass about Cheney.
This is political posturing. McCain has been maneuvering himself into a leadership position in his party and I'm willing to bet that he will be the replacement for Bush if the Shrub gets cut down. I don't see McCain playing second fiddle to Shrub either.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:41 PM
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49. Swampy...I think yer right..almost..
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 10:42 PM by Tellurian
Bush will tap McCain as his running mate..
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:09 AM
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59. I agree Swampy...
I smelled this coming a year ago. If McCain becomes the candidate he will steal Kerry's pathetic thunder and waltz his way into the White House. Especially if he picks a VP with integrity, although he may have to look outside his party to find him or her.
At first this really bothered me but now, after seeing Kerry's weak policy statements, I don't care.
Anybody but Bu$hco.
Anybody but Bu$hco.
Anybody but Bu$hco......
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:24 PM
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12. E-mailed McCain
asking why, if we were at war, there is no draft, there is no surtax to put the war on a pay-as-you-go basis and no anti-profiteering laws He hasn't got back to me yet but it's only going on 8 months.
Wonder if McCain ever wonders how many of those draft deferments Crashcart got while McCain was sitting in the Hanoi Hilton. I'm ashamed that McCain is my senator, he only looks good in comparison to Kyl.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:10 AM
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52. You're right about that. Kyl is horrible, McCain I am embarrassed for.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:42 PM
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17. McCain becomes far less powerful the exact second
he joins a Bush ticket. He's much more respected as a voice of dissent within his own party. If he starts sounding like Bush - he's doomed.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:50 PM
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20. This sounds like Cheney may get the old heave-ho ...

... since we usually don't get these press stories denying rumors or reporting everybody just gushing over so-and-so, until the old so-and-so discovers a sudden need to spend quality time with family.

Think a real stinking Cheney scandal is about to break? And the Repubs are wondering if a sudden resignation will limit potential damage?
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:58 PM
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21. This is why I strongly opposed all that McCain for VP crap.
Firstly because the Party doesn't need to go 1 inch to the right from where it already is, and secondly because we were relying on the honesty of a puke to help us. Now Bush* gets to run around with the very same McCain we've been pumping political capital into. I'm so sick of this Democratic establishment, how many mistakes can an out of power Party make?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:15 PM
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23. The same interests that fuel the worst
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 05:16 PM by realpolitik
policies of the Republicans, also motivate the DLC.
This rightward shift to a new imaginary center was sabotaged
by the republicans who went far right, because they had essentially no moderate wing left. Clinton drove them to the right, because they had no where else to go, sadly.

The DLC makes our way harder, and our nation more fascist with every sop to business they throw. There is an entire wing of the party that gave up and walked away. We will keep on failing rightward until we re-impower them to make an America worth living in, instead of the yellow jersey winner in the race to the bottom for 99% and the apotheosis of 1%

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:16 PM
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24. McCain is the kind of guy we all know....
He'll say WHATEVER the fuck he thinks the people around him at that moment want to hear.

He has no shame.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:28 PM
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28. get rid of
chenfuckney? Then who will B pretzeldent?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:29 PM
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29. "pretzeldent"...LOL
love it!! :)
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:44 PM
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31. McCain doesn't realize that
when you swim with sharks you tend to get bit. Supporting bushco will mean his downfall..no Democrats will ever trust him again.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:43 PM
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30. John McCain should publicly request that Cheney release all the
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 05:55 PM by Zorra
documents that he is hiding under under the cloak of executive privilege. If McCain were really an honest legislator, that is what he would do.

Cheney is hiding documents that have no relevance to national security concerns. McCain knows this.

The implication behind Cheney hiding these documents is that he or Bu$h have done something criminal or unethical, and that it is possible that he or Bu$h would be subject to immediate criminal indictment if these documents were made public.

When McCain says Cheney is indispensable, does he mean that no one else is corrupt enough to do the things that Cheney does, and the republicans need a corrupt VP?

Why is Cheney hiding our documents?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 05:55 PM
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32. McCain Wrote This "Courage" Book Yet He Can't Bring Himself
....to say how he REALLY feels about GWB & Darth Cheney. He hates them like poison and everyone knows it, he looks like he's barely standing it whenever he's doing one of these things.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:18 PM
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33. Senor Two_Faced is at it again I see-- what a phoney he is... n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:32 PM
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35. I don't understand McCain.
I have read many things about him and have seen him on tv many times. I still don't understand what he is about.

His stumping for Shrub and Cheney does not make sense.

Anybody, explain this, please?
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:14 AM
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60. Sure...
He is operating under deep cover. He will gain the confidence of the Neocons and be tapped to run after Bush gets the axe. When he is elected he will throw off his fascist disguise and root out all the evil parasites installed by Bu$hco.
I hope.....
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:35 PM
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62. I'll spell it out: W-H-O-R-E
Occasionally bothered by his conscience.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:20 PM
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34. We're being set up folks, there's gonna be some shit happening
maybe the cheney/mccain swap in mid democratic convention?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:59 PM
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39. This is a bit simplistic...
What about the Neocons? They won't go for this since it would diminish their power...
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:46 AM
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54. He *may* replace Cheney, out of near-term necessity, but ...

... he'd do well to stay out of small planes.


MDN

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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:48 PM
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36. Boy, Has John McCain Got Me Confused
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 06:49 PM by louis c
Twice he broke with Republicans to narrowly defeat a measure which would have caused Kerry embarrassment.

First, he allowed a Tax measure to be separated in the Senate so Kerry could vote a consistent position. The original bill cut taxes to both the middle class, which Kerry supports, and the Top 2%, which Kerry opposes. If he voted either way, he would have had an ad about that Flip-Flop bullshit.

By a narrow margin, the bill was separated, which allowed Kerry to vote exactly the way he feels. McCain joined the two Rep. Senators from Maine, Chaffee, and Hagel and The Dems (with the exception of that piece of shit Zell Miller). This prevented Kerry from having a no win situation.

Two days ago, McCain provided Dem. Senators cover on the Marriage Amendment by not only voting against it, but by strenuously criticizing it on the floor.

Add to that his defense of Kerry's war record against the criticism of other Viet Vets and you begin to see my confusion.

What Bush did to he and his wife is S.C. in 2000 is unforgivable, yet he seems to be there to pull Bush and Cheney's chestnuts out of the fire, too.

I just don't get it. I just don't get it at all.

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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:48 PM
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37. I have lost all respect for McCain.
No wonder the Republicans could do what they did to him and get away with it.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:02 PM
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40. "debonair"? Cheney?
I'll have what McCain's smoking.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:05 PM
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41. I think he meant "de boner"???
:shrug:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:28 PM
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43. I saw a snip before I flipped
Never ever will I think highly of McCain. You hang with the dirty birds you get covered in their shit.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:45 PM
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44. I came not to praise Caesar but to bury him.
These comments on Cheney by McCain are so unbelievable they seem to be veiled insults.

McCain is a patrician whore.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:04 PM
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46. I liked John Roberts' assessment tonight:
Compared the Cheney "drag on the ticket" to the outcry Poopy faced with Dan Quayle. Neither Boo$h listened....."Like father, like son of a bitch". (He didn't actually say SOB, I just couldn't help myself. }( )
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:47 PM
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50. Bush is going to tap McCain for the VP slot..
Cheney's a drag and has been told he's a liability..

C-ya dick..
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:56 PM
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51. Lots of Arizonians have lost respect for John McCain
Many AZ Dems would have voted for John McCain in the 2000 elections and were aware of what George W. Bush had done to him and his family. They are now slowly losing respect for him as he allows Bush & Thugs to now use him to support their actions. Hopefully he has his own agenda and will use the Bush Administration to get the GOP back to its origins and theology.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:20 AM
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53. The only problem I see...
is the GOP has proven itself incapable of leading our country because of it's Federalist values.. Federalism is always at odds with humanity...

There can only be one...and the other must follow..
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 03:22 AM
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55. There goes John "Maverick" McCain
shoving his nose completely up Dickhead Cheney's ass, AGAIN. McCain must love to be spit on by the RW.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 03:56 AM
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57. Crashcart's got a new doctor...could be convenient...
Could be a convenient dodge to get him off the ticket if he gets to be too toxic: give him a gold watch and send him back to Halliburton to retire.

Also...just thinking out loud here...Does anyone remember how Spiro Agnew was replaced by Gerald Ford when it was obvious that Richard Nixon was going to have to go? Could they be setting up some kind of do-si-do to move the players around just in case?

I don't really like this. We're better off if the Smirk continues to hang on to the Sneer out of loyalty -- it makes him look bad. Otoh, if Bush should win in November (ptui, ptui, the gods forbid) the country would certainly be better off with McCain in the #2 spot.

Hekate
Gods, how I want my country back
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:50 PM
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65. Better off with McCain?
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 08:55 PM by teryang
McCain is loose cannon. Not only is he a hothead but he is naive and impressionable due to his cloistered upbringing. He is very extreme on how to use the military to demolish the enemies designated by the corporatocracy. From his perspective, (whether he admits it or not) someone like Wolfowitz is a civilian pussy.

He'll never get over his Vietnam experience and will use every war to prove his ingrained but unselfconcious defense contractor world view that American techology can vanquish any people if we just use it ruthlessly enough. He's an adherent of the "we lost the war at home" view and the "we didn't hit em hard enough" school. Every day he wakes up thinking "if we only took the gloves off in Vietnam." The guy has enough unresolved explosive issues to sink an aircraft carrier. He is completely incapable of differentiating Israeli interests or defense contractor interests from American interests. He doesn't understand a thing about ground warfare or foriegn policy. Of course Cheney is also a dangerous person to have in office. But my considered opinion is that the less able McCain is, implausible as one may find it, even more dangerous.

Empirical experience does not necessarily yield insight. He's a courageous man and a wonderfully tragic and interesting character but he is definitely unsuited to be a heartbeat away.
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sleepyhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 08:50 AM
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67. Hekate, you are so smart.
<<Does anyone remember how Spiro Agnew was replaced by Gerald Ford when it was obvious that Richard Nixon was going to have to go? Could they be setting up some kind of do-si-do to move the players around just in case?>>

Now that's a thought. The plan then becomes, after they get installed in office again by the Supremes, Bush resigns before he gets indicted and McCain pardons everyone! Lovely.

But - it's not going to work out for them - Kerry in a landslide!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:27 PM
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63. Cheney: Suave Debonair Bonvivant Man-About-Town
the gentleman's gentleman, who enjoys saying "f*@k off" to virtually anyone, anyplace, anytime
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cAMP Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 07:00 PM
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64. McCain implied in his book that
after this senate term he's done in politics
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:20 PM
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66. If McCain accepts the No. 2 post under Bush after what
the Bushies did to him in South Carolina in 2000, I officially will have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for John McCain. EVER.
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