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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:13 AM
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Al-Qaeda 'dismantled' in Iran
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3903723.stm

Iran says it has located and dismantled all branches of the al-Qaeda network in the country.

Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi said his ministry had stopped al-Qaeda's terrorist acts, state TV reported.

However, the broadcast gave no details of the operation and did not say how many people had been detained.

Iran has previously denied allegations that it gave sanctuary to al-Qaeda fugitives who escaped the US-led invasion of neighbouring Afghanistan.

In January, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi announced that 12 suspected al-Qaeda members being held in Iran would go on trial, but he did not say when.

Among those possibly in Iranian detention are al-Qaeda spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith and Osama Bin Laden's son, Saad Bin Laden, Saudi sources reported last year.

Osama Bin Laden's security chief Saif al-Adel, sometimes regarded as al-Qaeda's current number three leader and alleged to have trained some of the 11 September 2001 hijackers, is also said to be in the country.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:45 AM
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1. So Iran is going public with it's efforts to combat Al Qaeda . . .
in the hopes that their public statements will help them when USA threatens its attack on Iran to combat terrorism.

Good for them. Put it all out there and give the USA no legitimate reason for an attack (but then again, they didn't need one to attack Iraq).

God help us but this admin is cheney'in crazy.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:02 AM
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3. Huh?
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 02:09 AM by oldhat
Good for them.

Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?

These guys have nukes. This shit's not about scoring points on the Freepers and the GOP anymore. Not fun and games.

Read this to figure out Iran's take on the situation:

http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040628fa_fact

/bete noir of DU

//trying to be provacative
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:34 AM
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4. So, Iran has nukes, huh? Just like Iraq did, right?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:21 AM
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6. Media Lies Daily
I thought you put me on "Ignore" buddy?

What's the haps?

And, yeah, I'd be willing to bet that Iran has a nuke or two.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:45 AM
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5. Do you know how many nations have nuclear weapons?
Is the USA going to attack all nations with nuclear weapons and nuclear capablities just because they possess the weapons? Is that the master plan? Do you think we should attack Iran just because it has nuclear weapons? Are you mad?

The more agressive the USA, the larger the number of nations with nuclear weapons will become. They will arm themselves to protect themselves from us.

FYI --

Since 1980, the number of countries possessing the capacity to manufacture and deliver nuclear weapons has grown dramatically, increasing the chances of accidental nuclear exchanges. In addition to the traditional nuclear powers of the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, and France, some newly independent former Soviet republics (Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Georgia) may retain some of the weapons systems from the old Soviet Union. Also, four other countries are now judged by many authorities to possess nuclear weapons capability: Israel, India, Pakistan, and South Africa. While the stockpile of weapons of these countries is small (ranging from a minimum of 5-10 weapons in Pakistan to a maximum of 50-200 weapons in Israel), the proliferation of countries capable of using nuclear warheads in wartime threatens global security. In addition to countries that already possess the capacity to make and deliver nuclear weapons, seven other countries--Argentina, Brazil, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, and Taiwan--have or recently have had active nuclear weapons programs and may possess nuclear weapons capacity by the year 2000. Finally, there are countries--virtually all of them in the developed economies of the world--that possess the technological capacity to manufacture nuclear weapons and delivery systems but have chosen not to develop nuclear weapons programs. These countries include, among others, Canada, most western and eastern European countries (other than Britain or France), South Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.

http://www.dushkin.com/connectext/wp/ch10/nuclear.mhtml
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:23 AM
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7. No
Is the USA going to attack all nations with nuclear weapons and nuclear capablities just because they possess the weapons?

No.

Is that the master plan?

No.

Do you think we should attack Iran just because it has nuclear weapons?

No.

Are you mad?

No.

But I do think that people should stop "rooting" for one "side" of this conflict because we're dealing with serious-no-bullshit nuclear weapons here, not fantasy GWB Iraq nukes.

The stakes are a little higher.

Think hard about how you'd play this one if you were a politician or a diplomatic.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:32 AM
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8. If you answered No to all of the questions posed, then why
should Iran be attacked.

As a politician or diplomat I would not attack Iran. There is no reason to attack Iran.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:36 AM
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9. Huh?
then why should Iran be attacked.

When did I say Iran should be attacked? I never said Iran should be attacked.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:52 AM
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10. Your response to my first post made it appear that you are in favor
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 03:55 AM by merh
of an attack on Iran. My post was that I thought it was good that Iran has gone public with its efforts to cleanse itself of the Al Qaeda connections and terrorist so that * and his thugs will not have justification for an attack on Iran, which is exactly what they are planning.

I will root for all other nations and human beings to live in peace and free from the fears that the US will attack them "just cause we want to".

I will cheer when they outsmart *&Co. at their own game. I will cheer when they prevent attacks on their sovereign nations that may result in the use of the nuclear weapons they possess.

Yes, the stakes are higher, a lot higher.

If you don't like it, who cares, it is my opinion and I believe I am justified in cheering on a nation that wants to be left alone and not attack by the assholes who are trying to destroy this world.

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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:59 AM
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11. Be careful
I will root for all other nations and human beings to live in peace and free from the fears that the US will attack them just cause we want to.

Me too, except the Iranian theocracy has a terrible track record on the dousing-uppity-women-lawyers-with-gasoline-and-then-setting-them-on-fire issue.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:47 AM
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12. Atrocities against its citizenry is not sufficient reason to wage war
Now, if USA is a part of a UN force that attacks to prevent genocide, if the US is part of an international coalition (true coalition, not tiny coalition of bullied and coerced nations) then I will support my leaders actions to join the coalition. We are not the world police. We cannot tell other government's how to govern and by what laws when we refuse to follow the same international laws we accuse them of having violated.

I will warn any uppity female lawyers that I know to avoid Iran.
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hightime Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:52 AM
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13. Fuck the Sudanese, just like the Rwandans.
Let's wait for the U.N. to get a new report out.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:04 PM
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14. Yes, it is a matter for the international community. Geeze we are not
the world police. The reason the international police will not act now is because of our barbaric attack on Iraq. The international community does not trust us any more, they have no respect for us, they fear that our plan is world domination and they want no part of that and they are afraid that once we finish with the nation(s) we attack, we will turn on them.

That is why it is crucial to get * out of office and to begin a new to establish international respect.

And if you feel so strong about the plight of these folks, hope a plane and join the resistance or join the relief efforts.

The U.S. is not the world police. Our military is stretched thin and we are not financially strong as all would like to think.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:46 AM
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2. Iran also helped the US dismantle the Taliban and half-dismantle al Queda.
And Iraq, too, come to think of it. :)

Iran will come out the big winner from the worst strategic blunder in US history.

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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:12 PM
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15. I just read something very troubling over at Jaun Cole. He wrote
that they are targeting the truck drivers from Jordan and
that the trucks and supplies coming in from Jordan are essential for the govenment that is now in place to continue to stand. Very bad news.
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