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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:35 AM
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Moore: "Gibson Quit After White House Warnings"
Controversial director Michael Moore claims Mel Gibson backed out of financing his hit documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 after Republican sources told the actor he would never be invited to the White House again. The explosive Palme D'Or-winning documentary, which examines American President George W Bush's decisions following the September 11 attacks and the run-up to the war in Iraq, was rejected by their original financier Icon, owned by Gibson. Moore says, "We were just starting the film when I got a call from my agent who said he'd spoken to someone at Icon who was wondering if there was a way to get out of the deal. They said they'd received calls from several top Republicans - people connected to the White House. These people made it clear that Mel Gibson wouldn't get any invitations to the White House if they went ahead and financed the film." Icon dropped the deal soon after, but luckily for Moore, Miramax boss Harvey Weinstein stepped in and saved the day.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:37 AM
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1. F 9/11 is nearing the $100 Million revenue mark
even without the Aussie "patriot"
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:43 AM
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3. Maybe Mel backed out...
when he discovered that Moore wasn't going to pin the blame for 9/11 on the jews.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:11 AM
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16. ...or gays.
:eyes:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:29 PM
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39. Touche
that's hitting the mark.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:42 AM
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2. "never be invited to the White House"?? "never"?? "NEVER"??
What an obscene collection of reused barfbags these arrogant cretins are! :grr:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:54 AM
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30. Well, if Kerry is elected
he'll be sure NEVER to be invited again – at least for the next 4/8 years.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:35 AM
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34. good point, KS.
Never say never. Or: never count on who's going to be running things. You may just be surprised.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:45 AM
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4. why should mel give a rat's ass whether or not
he would be invited to the white house?

seems like that sort of ultimatum would piss off a macho guy like mel.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:49 AM
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6. I believe that 'never be invited'
was a euphemism, for what, I am sure they wanted Mel's imagination to fill in the blanks.

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itcfish1 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 06:59 AM
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21. Not Invited Again
is a polite way of saying, he was threatened. I am convinced of it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:47 AM
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5. I have never seen a Gibson movie
and never will. It is amazing that Moore had the courage to actually make that film considering the enormous power and influence behind the chimp. Moore's hands must be extremely clean.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:23 AM
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12. Never seen Braveheart?
Too bad. Great movie. Great story ... but don't look there for historical accuracy. Many liberties taken with history (especially w.r.t Longshank's son, who seems to have been a decent sort, as was Longshanks until his wife died of illness and he turned hateful), but captured well I think the essential dynamic of the struggle. Battle descriptions are totally off, also ... but magnificent film. See it. Not history but a marvellous mythic telling of the struggle of common folk against the powerful, including those of the powerful who claim to be on their side.

Bush == Longshanks. They are spiritual kin, these tyrants ... empty hearted grey men. Kerry is more like Robert the Bruce, methinks. Keeps selling out his own heart, regrets it, and tries to do better.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:40 AM
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14. I never saw it - I heard that they cast Irishmen as Scotsmen
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 01:41 AM by Cronus
And, of course, an American as a Scotsman too. I wasn't going to dignify that with my dollars.

He's just a skanky media whore, that's all there is to it.

Choose Kerry Lose Bush - FUCK BUSH - Drop Bush Not Bombs!
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:27 PM
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38. All I could think about watching this movie is that it followed the
latent homosexual guy-movie formula to the letter, they killed the chic early on so the Mel's character could hug on that big burly guy that he really wanted to bugger for the rest of the movie. And of course they make Longshanks son fey so he can be the token faggot in the film to somehow convince and reassure the audience that Mel Gibson's character wasn't really a freaking flaming queen. I knew from this film alone, the only Gibson film I've ever seen, that Melvin has some, well, issues...

As far as the life of William Wallace, I haven't been able to find out very much, I think very little is really known. Mel used this film, and "The Passion" as well, to wrestle with his 'inner faggot/ S&M freak/martyr complex' side. To bad he felt it necessary to drag Jesus into all this.

Oh, and I think Mel also had the hots for Robert the Bruce, too.
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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:49 AM
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7. mel gibson is a right wing toadie.
i think he's a sphinctor.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:52 AM
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8. Repukes are the undisputed
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 12:54 AM by LibDemAlways
masters of threats, intimidation, and bullying tactics. Unfortunately, all too often, they work.

Mel Gibson is a powerful guy in Hollywood. Telling him he'd never be invited to the White House? So what? Can you imagine what the real threat was - conveyed in icy businesslike tones by Rove personally?
Think Wellstone.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:11 AM
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9. I would be shocked by his "Wellstone" offing.
On the other hand, I would not shed a tear for any future Gibson projects I'd never get to see. What a joke. I'm still crying out loud about the Lethal Weapon series and that piece of Braveheart BS.

No tear here. Just fascinated by how they eat themselves.

Where's the love, Baby?
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:14 AM
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10. I'm sure Rove told him that God (BUSH) would crucify him.
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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:38 AM
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32. I don't think they would
kill him.

They would, on the other hand, use their vast resources to discredit and ruin him.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:22 AM
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11. Does this make Mel Gibson a "girlie man"?
Looks like Bush "terminated" Gibson's ability to think for himself. :)
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:08 PM
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42. LOL
eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:38 AM
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13. I think Micheal might be over the top with this statement.
I wish he wouldn't make statements like this because they could have the effect of cheapening his effort. I don't think F911 needs to be reinforced with gossip. I hope Mel doesn't deny this . It would make Micheal look trivial.
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:39 AM
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33. please,
that's so lame. i'm glad MM is willing to speak truth, and if you think about it, this is SOP for the bush cabal. there's a long list of people who've been threatened, or are you just not paying attention?
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:11 AM
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15. Kick, is all I can say......this news needs to get out....
eom
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:07 AM
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17. Gibson's a homophobic, shoe-sniffin' freak and let us not forget...
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 04:13 AM by doctorbombeigh
that this is the man who routinely flew in underage Thai hookers to his location shoots on the brilliant personal theory that no one would EVER know because "they don't speak English." I kid you not.

He isn't what I would call a "go-to guy" on any serious matter. (Not because of the hookers but because he's so fucking dumb about the hookers, and this is just one small item among the many, many, many matters that sorely vex Mel's brain.)

Edit: In my haste to illustrate his inane (and insane) behavior, I forgot to reference what a jerk he was re F 9/11. His insecure cowardice is typical of Gibson's all-purpose asshole personality.
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:21 AM
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18. Did you read that on the internet?
lol...

what a piece of work. Any verification? Oh wait, everything on the internet is true. Sounds like you have some personal grievances with Mel or something, did he not sign an autograph for you once?

Me, I have no idea about whether or not Mel Gibson flew in Thai hookers, and I'd never make that assertion without some serious proof.

As for Mel not backing F9/11, well that was his perogative, looks like he lost out.


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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 06:00 AM
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20. No, I didn't read it on the internet...
nor have I ever asked Gibson (or anyone) for an autograph.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:34 AM
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23. agree with you on that. Mel did lose out on that. as far as the
Thai hooker thing that sounds as a "did you hear...." I would like to see a link too. If there is any.
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:23 PM
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43. Your only link to my memory is through my keyboard... sorry.
Believe it, don't believe it, it's entirely up to you.

It is not, however, the only Gibson's-a-Cheneying-freak story that could be told.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:34 AM
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28. Gibson's a total and complete asshole by other evidence as well.
Like his telling Kuric that the soul of his wife of 24 years, who has born this sonofabitch 7 -- count-em -- 7 children is, he was terribly sorry to say, damned to hell forever because she is an episcopalian, not a Catholic.

As a former Catholic, I find this kind of utterly blind "faith" to be not just bordering on the insane, but completely over the line.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:09 PM
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36. Why so rude? . . .
. . . You don't know what knowledge doctorbombeigh may or may not have on the subject and to straight up attack him/her like that is just plain juvenile. Not every story has a link to the internet. Jeez.:eyes:

TYY
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:13 PM
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47. Thanks. But it's okay. You know, the funniest thing about sleazy...
Ho'wood gossip is... how people don't want to believe it. It's touching, really. They think the tabloids are filled with lies, which is exactly what the PR machines of the stars and studios want them to think. They're a lot like Bush&Co with the "real" news these days, powerful uber-control-freaks with piles of cash and spin to spare. Granted, Ho'wood's better at it, but they've been at it for a long, long time and they are, after all, professionals.

Fact is, while I am free to blab everything I know on the 'net, at will and without any verification, the tabloids do not enjoy that same freedom. They are strenuously vetted by packs of lawyers and are pretty much forced to print the truth. It's the perfect (and only real, affirmative) defense against accusations of libel. This is why there are so few charges ever brought against them. Those oh-so-pious protestations, "I won't dignify that trash with a lawsuit," are generally an exercise in non-denial spin. Actually, the tabs don't print anything near the whole truth; no one would ever believe the whole truth.

Just consider for a moment the frequency with which the Killer Deer Gangs of Hollywood (aka The Bambis) viciously attack perfectly innocent, sober celebrities in their cars. These remorseless fawns have even assaulted some celebs more than once! Really, Kurt Russell* should get out there and hunt down this menace - pronto.

And that's my (much too lengthy) showbiz rant for today.

*I actually like Kurt Russell, he's a very decent guy and still mucho babelicious, but he's a total nut-job on hunting so I picked him anyway.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:49 AM
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19. this admin is like the mafia...period.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:28 AM
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22. This administration is the mafia!!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:43 AM
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24. oops.
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 07:44 AM by dralston
self delete.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:11 AM
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25. This reeks of McCarthyism ...
Methinks "never be invited to the White House again" means "you will never work in Hollywood again." Gibson is a whore for appeasing this rapacious pack of thugs. What a beautiful chance to make a stand. Gibson doesn't have the backbone of Hal Moore. Nor does he have the compassion of Christ.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:23 AM
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27. Exactly!
"What a beautiful chance to make a stand"

He could have had a major influence in exposing the hypocrisy and criminals running the country yet he chose to pull out and remain silent. That speaks volumes.

:hi:
Good to see you, DemoTex!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:19 AM
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26. On his web site, Michael DID promise
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 08:25 AM by rocknation
that he'd reveal why his original backer backed out.

So Mel could have cashed on F9/11 AND The Passion Of The Christ? What a doofus! What a girlie-man!

:headbang:
rocknation
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:34 AM
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31. he made enough on the passion movie to set him and ten friends for life
f-911, though it has exceeded all expectations, isn't even in that ballpark.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:18 PM
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37. yeah, why make an honest, thought-provoking documentary
when you can exploit peoples' religious beliefs, make a gory mockery of the death of Jesus Christ, fan the flames of anti-semitism and make a fortune.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:49 AM
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29. a mutant form of blacklisting, perhaps. at least mel can still do slimfast
.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:31 PM
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40. And dictate the latest trends in vernacular.
he said F@ck off a month or two before Cheney. I think there is a pattern here. And icky stick daisy Cheney cirlc jerky pattern.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:44 AM
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35. What a bunch of hooey!
I don't buy a word of this.

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:38 PM
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41. No way Gibson financing F-9/11 would have worked
He was probably going to finance it to BURY it once it was made. NO WAY that partnership would have worked. Mel, the ultra-conservative, and Michael Moore, the progressive? No way Mel would have allowed F-9/11 to be what it became.

Thank GOD Gibson didn't finance it. Thank God for the Weinsteins.
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lordwhorfin Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:46 PM
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44. I think Mel had a different conspiracy in mind than Moore
I heard about Mel being involved in financing f9/11 early on, as did most netizens. I think 'The Smoking Gun' might have had something, or those guys who are very good on scoops: the Tolkein obsessives. I can't recall the name of their website.

At any rate, I remember thinking, 'I bet Mel is looking for someone to link f9/11 to some kind of New World Order conspiracy.' Mike's people may have even spun ol' Mel 'there's no daylight twixt me and dear old Hutton' Gibson on the idea. And, I smugly predicted Mel would bail when he figuered out where MM was coming from.

This is old news, and rather silly. Why MM is bringing it up now seems to rest mostly on the fact that he promised to reveal what happened. Ok, so, yawn.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:47 PM
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46. The Icon/Moore deal was in the news BUT
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 03:49 PM by LiviaOlivia
the reasons why Icon pulled out was not. Yawn away.
Gibson is an asshole. He gets fellated by O'Lielly and Fox and is a darling of extreme religious fundamentalists. Gibson did give the White House a "special screening"of his Passion.
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lordwhorfin Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:22 PM
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48. Precisely my point
Anyone who saw the news of the original f9/11-Icon pictures arrangement pretty much knew why it fell apart. Gibson didn't want to finance a movie unless said movie blamed Israel for 9/11 is my take. All this business about Whitehouse pressure is in actuality CYA spin by that wretched Holocaust denier.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:34 PM
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45. Who the "HELL" wants to be close to that asshole Bush!...
Isn't it bad enough that we have to share our air with him! Was not been invited to the White House suppose to be a threat. I hope not...because I would taken it as "Doing me a favor"...Bush won't be in there forever, and when he leaves. Kerry better have it exterminated. Creatures like Bush carry serious gems.
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