13 ducks shot to death at Sequoia Park

[Sequoia]

EUREKA -- For the second time this year, ducks were shot to death with a pellet gun at the Sequoia Park duck pond either late Sunday or early Monday.

At least three people walking in the area of the pond around 6:30 a.m. called the Eureka Police Department to report the dead ducks.

A few minutes later park maintenance personnel discovered the slaughter for themselves.

Around 9:30 a.m., park personnel began removing the carcasses from the water, after Eureka Police Services Officer Rob Patton collected evidence from the scene. Evidence included several empty beer cans found at a picnic table near the pond.

A total of 13 ducks were found dead.

Eureka Parks and Maintenance Manager Tom Coyle said about eight ducks remain in the pond.

"This will have my whole week messed up," said park visitor Kareem Dukes. He said he comes to the pond several mornings a week to walk, pray and watch the ducks.

"It hurts a lot," Dukes said. "It's just kind of evil."

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[Richard D]

1. Cans of beer?

Why do I think that they were Bud lite?

[DS1]

4. I'll bet you a beer it's Coors Light

[mom cat]

7. Cheney is on a diet!

[Toucano]

2. Fools following Cheney's example.

There are some sucky bastards in this world, I tell you what.

[BadGimp]

3. meahwhile a tree fell in the forest..

I mean who give a rat's behind?

SHIELDS UP

[hightime]

8. Drunk kids with bb guns. WOW, that never happen before.

The real irony is that if they find the kids and charge them they will have to explain to their cellmates why they were convicted of molesting a group of ducks. I love that charge.

[whistle]

5. Has anyone seen Dick Cheney and Justice Scalia today?

....:freak: How about Buck, the owner of that Texas sporting goods chain (Bass Pro) that is like super Wal-Mart , that are springing up everywhere thanks to those wonderful tax breaks. All minimum wage service jobs, part-time and no benefits. The simulated shooting ranges you see in these stores use the national parks images as back-ground for their animal targets. Yee haaaaaa!

They also get $39.95 for a three ounce bottle of deer urine with esteeze to help lure deer bucks to the hunter's hideout. And eveyone wonders what happens to all those millions of urine samples that are given out for employee drug tests. Yeee haaaaa!

[4_Legs_Good]

6. I hate humans.

at least most of the time.

david

[mom cat]

9. Life on earth would be better off without us. In fact the only hope for

Mother Nature might be the extinction of homo sapiens. Didn't it get better after the dinosaurs were gone? I guess I am homo phobic after all... (sapiens that is).

[4_Legs_Good]

10. And yet, if we were to espouse the eradication of the human species

we'd be the ones labeled "extremists".

It's just all so ridiculous.

david

[hightime]

11. You can always lead by example.. that will show true devotion

Funny how those who espouse the eradication of the human species or martyrdom for a cause always think that others should go first so they can continue to spread the word of the cause.

[4_Legs_Good]

12. Well you gotta have someone left to do roll call!

Anyone left? Anyone??? Buehler???

david

[msmcghee]

14. I, myself, plan to do just that some day . .

. . just watch.

[Name removed]

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[4_Legs_Good]

19. Oh please don't!

The people who recognize the problems with Homo Sapiens are just the ones we need with us to work for reform!

Keep fighting the good fight (though I admit it gets old sometimes).

david

[mom cat]

13. I don't advocate our eradication. I only think that we have already

made it inevitable.I hope that I am wrong but I see no real hope unless a radical paradigm shift happens immediately, one that would include reducing our population to one quarter or less of it's current size, stopping pollution, converting to renewable, sustainable energy sources, stopping all war, military expenditures, economic domination and inequality, ecological destruction, Pillaging on the earth, destructive agriculture, and educational and information systems that are not based in the recognition of our dependence on this biosphere.Although I see many sincere, dedicated people working for these changes, I fear that we are already past the tipping point in too many areas. I would love to be pr oven wrong.

[roguevalley]

16. I don't see it posted anywhere but CBS showed film of *&^%$# at

a slaughter house stomping and throwing chickens around. Those people are fucking Nazis to me and there aren't enough hells for people like this to burn in. The Tazer Company tested their latest tazer on a pig that was awake (48 times) and on five anaesthatized dogs (200 times).
Now, doesn't that make you feel good all over!?!?!?

[4_Legs_Good]

21. Personally...

I'm finding it harder and harder to differentiate between animals and humans. I don't see the big distinction anymore. Any slaughterhouse is evil, IMO. I know even vegetarians end up killing animals because of plow machines, etc., but it's a step in the right direction.

Cruelty to animals is, IMO, just one very small step below cruelty to humans.

david

[4_Legs_Good]

20. I was only kidding about eradication, of course

Just my silly Benderesque humor.

I agree with your post, however, 100%. Things are probably past the point of no return, but I, as you, would love to be proven wrong. I fear, though, that it's going to take some devastating events to make us understand exactly what is going on.

Let's hope and work for the best!

In the meantime...

"I came to earth with one simple dream: a dream of killing all humans. Now look at me. Who's the real one million ton robot monster? Not I."

/salute Bender

david

[mom cat]

58. Dear Bender, I thought it was your quirky humor all along. I just

needed a springboard for a rant. Tkanks.


:dem:

[MasonJar]

17. What kind of maniac gets his kicks from killing ducks period, but

especially in a park? The park needs to provide survelliance.

[ibegurpard]

25. And this isn't even hunting

It's just target practice. I can't understand why it's fun or funny. I hope whoever did this gets some karmic payback someday.

[droidamus]

55. Gates are closed and no lights

I was born and raised in that area and unfortunately this is not the first time ducks/geese have been killed at this pond. The pond is at the bottom of a road that is not lit at night nor is the pond area. When the park gates are closed there is not supposed to be anybody in the park but the locals (mostly people from 15-25) do use the area to party. As far as I know because the gates are closed the police stay out of the park at night.
It is too bad that, as usual, a few idiots have to ruin a beautiful thing for everybody else.

[Kool Kitty]

18. This sucks.

Things like this always make me think of the "Peanuts" cartoon that said, "I love mankind, it's people that I can't stand". Why anyone would want to kill an innocent animal like that is beyond my comprehension. I'm not talking about killing animals for food, but just for sport. I don't understand why some find it enjoyable.

[Square_Peg]

22. 13 Ducks and 3500 babies...

Don't get me wrong, I am against the senseless killing of animals. However, there are laws on the books that will more than sufficiently punish those responsible for killing the ducks with no license, and with cruelty.

But, in the grand scheme of things, its just 13 ducks. What about the approximately 3500 unborn babies that were aborted yesterday? Where's all the outcry for them?

Someone posted "I hate people" in response to the killing of 13 ducks. I wonder how that person feels about the people who killed their babies, overwhelmingly as a form of birth control...

[Spiffarino]

23. Cite statistics, please

I'm interested in this, as I personally believe abortion is incorrectly applied when used as birth control (I'm of the "safe, legal, and rare" persuasion). However, I hear stats thrown about all the time, and the ones I see tend to slant in favor of whomever is grinding his or her axe at the time.

Give details and cite sources so I have something to go on.

On edit: removed double-negative

[Square_Peg]

24. Here are some statistics...

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S..
( Divide by 12 then divide by 30, its about 3800 a day in the US.)

Unmarried women are 6 times more likely than married women to have an abortion. 67% of abortions are from women who have never been married.

Only 6.1% of abortions have anything to do with mother or baby's health. Over 90% of abortions are for reasons of birth control.

[Renew Deal]

45. Your abortion number is a farce

And more than half of abortions come before 12 weeks when they can "smile".

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/ib14.html

[IranianDemocrat]

26. Absolutely ridicuous.

How can you equate fetal cells to a living creature?

[Square_Peg]

28. Intellectual honesty?

Life begins at conception. Under the law, as it has existed for thousands of years, rights attach to life at conception. Babies can smile, feel pain, etc at 12+ weeks, maybe even sooner.

When there is any doubt at all about human life and human rights, shouldn't we err on the side of protecting human rights?

It's one thing to call an extra unwanted embryo sitting in a fertility clinic "fetal cells" - but you're kidding yourself if you think an in-the-womb baby is not a living human.

[DBoon]

29. So what about all those spare embryos for IVF?

What should be done with them? Or should In Vitro Fertilization be banned, as it inevitably cretes spare embryos that cannot be destroyed?

[Square_Peg]

32. Good question...

Once we went down the path of saying that privacy rights means reproductive rights means fertility rights means invitro rights, I think case law said that embryos are the property of the mother/father. Thus, they have a right over what to do with the embryos.

I personally think that people who get IVF should be allowed to donate the embryos to research..but that's just me.

[DBoon]

40. Allowed? Isn't that murder?

n/t

[Kool Kitty]

33. "Under the law, .....rights attach to life at conception."

Which law?

[Square_Peg]

35. Many laws...

The laws underlying modern civilization, going as far back as old-testament Judeo law, provided heightened punishment against anyone who struck a woman who was carrying a child. Similar laws existed in ancient middle-eastern law as well.

In modern life, killing a woman who is pregnant is considered two murders. Likewise, the husband of a wife who is pregant has two wrongful death civil causes of action if someone causes their death, etc. It's a crime to harm an unborn baby, as long as its not your unborn baby. Doctor's are liable in malpractice if they injure an unborn baby, etc.

The only exception to this rule is abortion - if a woman decides she doesnt want the kid, she can kill it, and the doctor who helps is immune from prosecution. Under all other circumstances, the law attaches to protect unborn children.

[Kool Kitty]

37. Sorry, but I don't consider biblical law

enforceable. I know about the new law that was adapted since the Petersen case, but I don't know of any others.

[NickB79]

56. You need to reread your Old Testament

Try Exodus 21:22-25.

"When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe"

While some have said that this refers to a woman giving birth to a living child prematurely rather than an actual miscarriage (born dead), there is a good rebuttal to this below:

http://www.atoday.com/magazine/archive/2002/janfeb2002/articles/abortion.shtml

The final paragraph seems to dispel the notion that Exodus is referring to a premature yet live birth:

"It is notable that no rabbinic commentator has seen the possibility of a live-birth reading in Exodus 21, including such careful readers of the text as Rashi, Rashbam, and Ibn Ezra. All assume a miscarriage here and find no difficulty in this reading. Likewise, the Evangelical reading of this text has not convinced any major commentator on the text. Contextual uses of the terms in this chapter have led most translators and commentators on the Hebrew text to understand a miscarriage in Exodus 21:22-25. Also, similar laws may be found in Akkadian law codes, laws which speak of miscarriage, not premature birth. This is how ancient writers would write a law about causing a miscarriage."

Life began at conception, yet the original writers of the Judeo-Christian laws and religion would only fine a man for what you call murder? I think not.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

38. Every Sperm is sacred....

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammed,
but I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs, On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted, Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed, In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon, Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed, In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful, Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's, Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs, O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed, In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate. .

[Renew Deal]

31. Haven't seen you in a while.

I hope all is well. Good to see you again. :hi:

[Kool Kitty]

27. These are two entirely different issues.

I'm glad to see that you are against the senseless killing of animals, since that is the subject of this thread.

[progressivebydesign]

30. Sqaure_Peg indeed... N/T

[Renew Deal]

34. I am more worried about the 10,000 wanted babies dead in Iraq.

How do you feel about killing their babies?

[Square_Peg]

36. Heartbroken...

It's a tragedy that the babies in Iraq have to die for the sins of their parents. Same goes for abortion, except that the entire Iraq war has only resulted in 3 days worth of abortion in the US.

[Renew Deal]

39. Sins of their parents?

Name one Iraqi that killed an american outside of Persian Gulf 1.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

42. Once they're out of the womb they get their NRA card, a copy of the

2nd amendment and a target painted on their back. OPEN SEASON!

I'll bet our "Pro Lifer" here is an advocate of the death penalty?

[Renew Deal]

43. lol

Yeee Hawww

[Square_Peg]

46. Did you miss the terrorist training camps?

Saddam Hussein was allowing terrorists to train at camps. His regime was also communicating with Al Qaeda, and other known terrorists. He allowed Bin Laden shelter as well.

[Renew Deal]

48. Didn't Bush say that wasn't true?

And you didn't answer my question.

[Kool Kitty]

50. Uh huh.

That still doesn't explain why Iraqi children have to die. And I believe the information in your post has already been debunked many times. Either you don't keep up with current events, or you are Dick Cheney.

[Renew Deal]

51. Bushler said himself: There were no ties between al queda and 9/11

[Renew Deal]

53. BTW, Bush allowed terrorists to train in Florida.

Of course, he was too busy to read the memo's while he was digging for bugs. I guess we should bomb Florida now and throw Jeb in prison?

[NickB79]

57. Wow, so the 9/11 commision was completely wrong?

When they stated that they found NO LINK WHATSOEVER between Al Queda and Saddam a couple of weeks ago?

1) The purported "terrorist training camps" in Iraq were complete BS for two reasons. One, they were said to be in NORTHERN Iraq, in the US no-fly zone controlled by the Kurds, mortal enemies of Saddam. Secondly, they were bombed and then inspected, with ZERO evidence of terrorist activity having taken place. They even went so far as to try to claim biological chemicals were being produced there because they found castor beans (a plant that contains small amounts of a toxin called ricin). This too was laughed at and never proven.

2) The jist of Saddam's communication with Al Queda went something like this:

AQ: We want you to work with us so we can attack America, and for you to turn your country into a theocracy like Iran.

Saddam: Screw you, I'm in charge and I want a secular dictatorship. Go F*** yourself.

3) If you have ANY evidence showing Saddam to have EVER allowed Bin Laden to ever so much as step foot on Iraqi soil, please share it with us, because that alone would be mind-blowing. You do know that Bin Laden pledged his forces to fight Saddam in the first Gulf War to defend Saudi Arabia, right? And that Saddam despised the man for his desire for a theocratic rule rather than a secular one, right?

[Kool Kitty]

41. Babies in Iraq have to die for the sins of their parents?

You must be joking or just looking to get a rise out of someone, right? Just what do you consider the parents' sins to be? Unless, of course, you know each and every person in Iraq and are privy to their every thought and deed. And why would the children have to die? Very twisted logic there.

[Square_Peg]

47. It was figurative speech

I dont mean the literal parents of each dead child. I mean the figurative parents, i.e. the leadership of the country...

[Renew Deal]

49. Yes, Saddam killed so many americans

That you can't even name one.

[Kool Kitty]

52. I can think of many "sins" the leadership of this country

has committed. Does that mean we all deserve to die? I would prefer to hold the "sinners" themselves accountable, and not the innocent.

[Gemini Cat]

44. Sins of their parents?

Huh? What sins?

Living in their own country?
Going about their daily lives and minding their own business?

Oh wait! I get it.
It's the sin of living on top of all that wonderful oil!
Yeah, that's it!!

[northzax]

54. this is a tragedy

if only those ducks had used their 2nd amendment rights and been carrying a weapon, they could ahve fought back.

seriously, I think this is likely ot be a teenager or two. time for some counseling and a little vacation at the expense of the government of California.