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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 05:57 PM
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Video Shows 9/11 Hijackers' Security Check
WASHINGTON - Surveillance video from Washington's Dulles Airport the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, shows four of the five hijackers being pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny after setting off metal detectors but then permitted to board the fateful flight that later crashed into the Pentagon.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040721/ap_on_re_us/attacks_surveillance_video
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:08 PM
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1. But the report is gonna say the attacks WEREN'T preventable?
If only the gop congress wouldn't have objected to the Gore Commission's strengthening cockpit door suggestion...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:11 PM
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2. Good old privatization of airport security
more efficient than trained officers
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:22 PM
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3. Can we download this supposed video, please?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:27 PM
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4. How do we know. It's never been investigated.
We have absolutely NO idea who did 9-11 because it has never been investigated. We only have this administration's say-so and they have lied every inch of the way.


Are these the still-living alleged "hijackers" or the dead ones?
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:50 PM
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14. Right on.
I think right now some people in the media are starting to get scared, they're starting to realize that they may have relayed a terribly bogus story, but they don't dare admit to anything all.

Now at Amazon the DVD "Outfoxed", exposing many lies of the Fox "news" channel is the best selling DVD of all!

People are waking up.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:28 PM
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5. just saw it on CNN
Tragic and painful. It showed typical travelers, in a hurry, going through security. A blond woman in a suit, a bald man with a computer case, and the terrorists who in a little while would end all their lives.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:31 PM
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7. Like a nightmare, I bet
Watching the Columbine footage in MM's film felt like a nightmare. It wasn't horribly graphic or anything, just kinda like you're watching something ethereal going on, and know something horrible is happenening just beyond your grasp and you can do nothing to stop it.

That segment of Bowling for Columbine showed more than anything, IMO, before or since, what a brilliant filmmaker Mr. Moore is.

david
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:33 AM
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23. You're publicly indicting these probably innocent Arab travelers...
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 06:33 AM by mallard
... and echoing the governemnt's very hollow case against them. That's not being compassionate, at all!

Who do you work for?
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:28 PM
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6. I wonder how confident they were that they'd get through
I mean 19 out of 19 made it through security. How many of them total were actually stopped? I suppose they didn't all need contraband. Had one of them been caught, though, it might have blown the whole operation for them.

You have to believe it was planned perfectly, though, because the one "flawed" attempt - the Pittsburgh plane - which was a man short was the one that failed. The others went off as planned.

The whole thing is just weird and constantly freaks me out.

david

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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 08:00 PM
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8. A thing to remember..
.. even if they were scrutinized, and the knives & boxcutters were found, they were allowed to, under the FAA rules at the time, to board the flight, provided that the knife blade were under a certain length (I think it was 2 inches).

So, even by todays standards, they would not have been stopped, as it was perfectly normal, since the FAA allowed it.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 08:01 PM
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9. STRATESEC/ Marvin Bush/Had Dulles contract then
Stratesec is no more but on Sept 11,2001 Bush's bro's company handled Dulles security (you won't hear that on CNN)

http://www.sptimes.com/News/102900/Business/Influence_and_bailout.shtml

"Stratasec: Marvin was recruited to join the board of this secretive Virginia security company that serves international corporations and governments. The company is awash in ex-government security and military personnel. Among them: Barry McDaniel, who served during the Reagan years as deputy director of readiness for the U.S. Army Materiel Command; and retired U.S. Air Force General James A. Abrahamson, who served as director of President Reagan's "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative.

The company touts such major customers as Dulles airport near Washington, as well as Los Alamos National Laboratories (where former scientist Wen Ho Lee pleaded guilty to improperly downloading nuclear weapons design secrets).

KuwAm Corp.: The investment company, with roots in Kuwait (the country "liberated" by President Bush's Gulf War), is a large backer of Stratasec. Stratasec chief executive Wirt Walker also is a managing director of KuwAm. And KuwAm chairman Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah also sits on Stratasec's board."

As a footnote: Marvelous Marvin stepped down from Stratesecs board in 2000 (God forbid he should be TOO obvious before 911)


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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 08:47 PM
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10. They passed through Dulles like it was Iran
or somethin
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 10:28 PM
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11. THREE YEARS it took for the MEDIA ...
to show this clip on national tv...

Now, why would they wait that long???

Postscript:
CNN noted that the clip was obtained from the lawyer representing 911 families who are suing the airlines.

So, the government NEVER did release this film. Why?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:15 PM
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12. Why would lawyer for 9/11 families release this video to CNN? Why
would Frank Lautenberg release the info to WaPo about the bin Laden's and others leaving the country?

Is the 9/11 Commish Report such a Whitewash that folks are having to leak information to try to get another investigation? :shrug:
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:44 PM
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13. Yeah, the timing sure is funny...
Previously, all the airport security tapes released showed all the passengers but none of the alleged hijackers. Now after Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11", with public scepticism about 9/11 and Bush's wars rapidly rising, suddenly this turns up. I'd look at real carefully before deciding it's the real McCoy.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:21 AM
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15. There were tapes of Atta and co-hijacker
in Maine, I think. I saw them. They also had him on, I think (been a while) an ATM camera. With that stupid b&w square club shirt.

Not that scepticism isn't good. Where's the damn black boxes and passports for one thing.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 05:45 AM
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18. this passes for thier "investigation"... a film with no date verification
and this is as close to an investigation we will ever see
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:10 AM
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20. Wasn't the comment made when this video was shown that it was....
...the ONLY video of any of the hijackers made that day?

And now this new video shows up with no time/date stamp.

Hmmmm.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:26 AM
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22. That rings a bell
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 06:32 AM by Snazzy
A big hmmmm indeed. And just when one might reach for the lame argument that it was CYA for the incompetence in this security screening that we didn't see this--two set off the alarm, both board plane--you wonder where the Logan or Newark tapes are. They all must have video.

Big lie, good catch!

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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:59 AM
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16. tape has no time/date stamp n/t
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 05:28 AM
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17. no time/date stamp is better
than having an 11 hour gap between the time they were pulled aside till they boarded..
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:03 AM
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19. Or better than knowing this is film from a PREVIOUS flight...I seem to...
...recall that these guys took a trial run sometime before they did the real thing. I wonder if any of the other people in the video have been identified as being on the 911 flight.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:40 AM
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24. When you really, sincerely trust the Bush Administration ...
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 06:41 AM by mallard
.. it DOES show up, in a venue like this one.

Why do you assume the government lies to be valid regarding the events of 9/11 - with all the glaring holes ??!

Why never talk about the holes, except to patch them over?

Could it perhaps be - the usual - uncontrollable love for Israel?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 06:10 AM
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21. So what does it prove?
That the bad guys had keyes in their pocket?

You people are ridiculous to think that tightening "security" would make us safer. If terrorists want to strike, do you think they are going to make themselves obvious? The only way to prevent terrorism is to address the underlying issues that prompt it---like the gross and continuing occupation of Palestine, Senator Kerry. Meanwhile, fear mongering about the threat of terrorism only serves to threaten our own freedoms with futher police state approaches and profiling of targeted Arabs and suspect political activists--in other words, progressives.

So, what exactly would make you feel safer? Strip searches?
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