9-11 widows ("Jersey Girls") call for changes

[spooky3]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040723/ap_on_re_us/sept__11_commission_jersey_girls_1

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"Now the women say that many recommendations of the final report on the tragedy released Thursday need to be implemented as soon as possible.

"The clock is ticking," said Kristen Breitweiser of Middletown. "It would be such a travesty if we have another attack and we can't say on that day, `At least we put this in place and it saved lives.'""

We need to DU the rating of this important story.

[fearnobush]

1. This woman is Chimpy's greatest fear. She has almost singled

handedly thrown the Rove Chimp machine on its back. Last night on the Tweety show, she slammed the CHimp for blocking the sept 11th Commission, then she said it was most disturbing to see him just sitting their, in that class room, "endangering the lives of those children" sitting in that Florida classroom while we were being attacked. She ended her ultimate truth out on chimp by saying "even Max Clealand would have got up". She was amazing. Of course, tweety laughed hysterically.

[mountainvue]

5. Hmmm.

Bill Maher used the Max Cleland thing on Larry King the other night.

[fearnobush]

10. Tweety used the Clinton McVeigh torches F-911 too.

[calimary]

12. That valiant woman has made mention of such things throughout.

She, too, clearly did NOT get the memo. And as the 9/11 Commission's hearings were in the news and on the pundits' mouths, she'd appear on the usual suspect shows and she'd flat-out say the biggest obstacle to our finding out the truth has actually been the White House, and then citing several specific examples to back up her assertion. She actually won over Chris Matthews who never interrupted, never got snide, behaved himself like a gentleman, and apparently gave her his ears. Since she began appearing on his show, I've noticed some change in his on-air treatment of this issue. He is much more likely to mention the other side in many subsequent presentations, and some of his questions have been somewhat more even-handed. She raised his skepticism. Her three other Jersey Girl colleagues did the same. For EVERY question that was asked of them, they had a strong, fact-based, reasonably-stated answer. They spoke with the kind of conviction that comes from having familiarized oneself intimately with a subject. Besides, it didn't hurt that she and the other three women were 9/11 widows. One does not DARE give them short shift, or disrespect. I'm sure he didn't want this to happen, but it did. He respects her and her group, VERY much.

[sally343434]

2. I'm leery

I'm leery of any rush to create a convenient Secret Police cabinet position for several reasons:

1. I don't trust the 9/11 commission, therefore I don't trust their conclusions.

2. Can we really trust the Bush junta to endorse and implement anything that doesn't further erode what's left of our rights? Let's face it. Republicans will try to manipulate any legislation related to the 9/11 report so that it only furthers their political agenda while not really doing anything beneficial to improve security. That's been their M.O. for the last three years.

3. I don't believe public policy should be determined by grieving relatives.

[spooky3]

3. Lee Hamilton was one of the best Congresspeople Indiana ever had...

I trust him.

[punpirate]

4. Lee Hamilton killed...

... further investigation into evidence of other Reagan-Bush administration wrongdoing exposed during Iran-Contra, and nixed depositions of George H.W. Bush on that evidence. He's the perfect guy for the 9/11 commission from the Bush administration point of view--generally respected by his constituents and a down-the-line machine politics guy. Neither Kean nor Hamilton were going to do any serious boat-rocking.

Cheers.

[spooky3]

6. sorry, we see things differently.

The American Political Science Association, among others, is not known for right wing views...

http://www.ned.org/about/board_bios/hamilton.html

Congressman Hamilton belongs to many local, national, and international civic and charitable organizations and has received many awards for his efforts including the Outstanding Legislator Award from the American Political Science Association (1997); the Central Intelligence Agency Medallion (1988); the Defense Intelligence Agency Medallion (1987); Distinguished Citizen Fellow from the Institute for Advanced Study, Indiana University (1994); and the Edmund S. Muskie Distinguished Public Service Award from The Center for National Policy (1997).

[suegeo]

8. The NED is a spook shop, Spooky3

The link you provide to Hamilton's bio on the NED site kinda strikes me, Spooky.

Spooky 3, I believe that the NED is a CIA spook shop.

The NED is now led by Vin Weber, an ex-Congressman from Minnesota. If my memory serves me, Vin (a republican) signed the PNAC manifesto on American Imperialism.

Weber also probably had something to do with the botched, attempted coup in Venezuela a couple of years ago. Weber was also a major right-wing whiner about the "inappropriate" Wellstone memorial.

And every time I mention Weber's name, I feel an urgent need to take a shower.

The following article talks about Vin Weber, and the NED/CIA spook shop connections:

http://www.citypages.com/databank/23/1119/article10388.asp

I have not really researched Hamilton myself, but I tend to agree with those who think the Iran-Contra bastards should have been nipped in the bud back when. Because they were allowed to skate, many are back serving in the Bush II junta, still committing fraud and treason.

If Hamilton had something to do with sweeping the Iran-Contra crimes under a rug, then I say to hell with him.

[suegeo]

9. Another ?: Why mention the American Political Science Association

In your post, why did you mention the APSA, then provide a link to the NED?

Was it just a typo on your part, or an error on my part in not reading all the posts carefully enough to see why you felt the need to mention The American Political Science Association??

I apologize in advance if my slow brain is not keeping up with you and the points you're trying to make.

ON EDIT: Ooops I get it now, you mention in your post that he got some kind of award from the APSA. Well, nothing wrong with that. However, I am not sure about your claim that the APSA is not right-wing. I will need to do more research on your claim about the APSA before I accept it as true. I would like to apologize to you for not reading more carefully, Spooky.

[MasonJar]

13. You might want to watch tonight's NOW. They have an entirely

different take on Hamilton. I must say I was more impressed with Kean. A woman on C-Span the other day said that Kean was such a great guv that she changed her fegistration to Pug. When Bush got selected, she went back to being a Dem.

[fearnobush]

11. Noted but

not to be political but Chimpy won't use them ether, but the Sheeple will demand it and when Kerry positions for them and said Bush fought the creation of the commission... We win. Plain and simple, trick is to get Chimpy to agressively deny it - so Kerry has to go real Liberal on the issue - Liberal meaning More More Moore.

[evworldeditor]

7. I agree with Jay Rockefeller

Last night on Lou Dobbs, Senator Rockefeller said he was torn by the urgent need to implement changes as quickly as possible (frankly, he really sounded scared) and by his concern that we not rush into this thing but we think about our actions lest we suffer the rule of unintended consequences.

I was in the 13% who thought we should go slow in the Lou Dobbs poll on the issue. 87% were in favor of immediate action.

Stampedes usually result in going nowhere in hurry, creating lots of dust and sometimes jumping off a cliff!

[KoKo]

14. Go Slowly...why give the Bushies the reform when they will screw it up...

and I'm totally against an "Intelligence Czar." Haven't we had enough of this? An "Intelligence Czar" could be as ineffective as "Drug Czar" or any other Presidentially appointed overseer.

More beaurocracy won't solve the fact that this administration set up a "back room shop" to give them what they wanted in intelligence reporting.

I think the Panel's recommendations should have a year to be thought about with regard to this "Czar." The other items there's no money for like beefing up our "Homeland Security" which Moore's movie points out. Huge stretches of our borders unguarded while Bush invades Iraq.

I think the Senate Panel has focused on the wrong solutions and is too fast to recommend we impliment them. What about the Hart/Rudman recommendations? Why are they ditched for another report?

[shraby]

15. They rushed with the Patriot Act

and look what we have in it. The intelligence czar idea kinda reminds me of Russias KGB.

[Zorra]

16. Bu$h knew. Never forget it. He knew.