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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:04 PM
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7,000 gun purchases slip through system (2002-2003)
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 06:05 PM by rmpalmer
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5519382/

More than 7,000 people who should have been barred from buying guns were able to buy them anyway in 2002 and 2003, according to a Justice Department review released Monday.

The government rarely prosecutes such cases, the report said.

Federal law stipulates that gun buyers wait three business days before receiving their weapons so background checks can be conducted by the FBI. Of the 17 million gun purchases in the last two years, 122,000 were denied because of the checks.

If the background check isn’t completed within the period, however, the law says the purchase must go through. In 2002 and 2003, there were a combined 7,030 “delayed denial” cases in which the FBI found that a prohibited person was able to get a gun after the period expired, according to the review by Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department’s inspector general.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives retrieved the weapon in 97 percent of those cases. That sometimes took a year or longer, ample time for an illegal buyer to use the gun to commit a crime.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:26 PM
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1. Interesting.
This might explain why the feds were going around my area confiscating weapons. Somebody told me they had a pretty long list of names. It is actually a felony to purchase a firearm (other than a muzzleloader)with an assault conviction.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:30 PM
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2. And they should make muzzleloaders and black powder pistols
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 06:31 PM by rmpalmer
under same law. We had a murder in this area of PA a few months ago where the murderer skirted the law by getting a black-powder pistol. IMHO, should be under the same laws as all guns and shouldn't be mail-order.

When Donald Barnhart, a man convicted of slicing his ex-girlfriend's throat five years ago, started shopping for a gun for a triple homicide he was planning, he had to look no farther than the Internet.

For about $200, he bought a replica Civil War-era .31-caliber cap and ball pistol from Cabela's and had it delivered to his sister's home in Hyde Park, Westmoreland County. The six-shooter can fire up to six times without reloading between shots.

Then, police say, he used it to kill David, Rhonda and Destini Walters in their trailer home in Parks, Armstrong County. Their bodies were discovered Jan. 13 by David Walters' father, Carl. While black-powder guns aren't regulated at all by the federal government, Pennsylvania law does prohibit convicted felons from possessing them, or any other kind of firearm. But that law is effectively canceled out because there is no background check required for antique or replica gun purchases in the state.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04025/265025.stm

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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:48 PM
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5. Gun Control
And if they included black -powder guns then the guy would have found another way.

Do you honestly think that it is BECAUSE of the ability to purchase a gun that people decide to kill? If someone has made up their mind to kill another human being, the tool is irrelevant (at least in my opinion).

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:14 PM
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11. Yeah he'd have probably found another way
But my point was he managed to get a firearm just as deadly as a modern day pistol through a loophole. I'm all for closing the loopholes.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:25 AM
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14. Wait a minute....
a cap and ball firearm is as deadly as a modern day pistol? And here I thought the anti-gun argument went that modern pistols were so much more deadly than antique guns, and so the Second Amendment was really just talking about muzzle-loaders (which is exactly what a cap and ball pistol is).

The anti-gunners can't have it both ways, can they???
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Zidane Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:59 PM
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12. Bzzzt wrong
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 12:08 AM by Zidane
Here is what the anti-gun control people don't get.

Let's pretend this guy did NOT kill someone. Let's pretend he shot someone in the arm.

Ok - this guy is going to jail for shooting him the arm. Now - becuase he didn't kill him he is going to be in jail for life. Instead he is going to charged with a lesser crime.

The more years you have on a sentence the longer you have to wait for a chance at parole.

Now - the guy is going to get charged for shooting the guy. He is NOT going to get charged for owning the gun.

What does this mean for future murderer number one here? It means he's going to be out in your community a whole let of a lot sooner. What does that mean? It means he's going to be able to get a chance to kill.

IF this guy could have been charged for that ADDITIONAL crime he could have been put a way for a whole hell of a lot longer. But nope, because of the loophole he is going to be out on the streets to kill.

Also - if he ran in to a cop that cop would have had reason to arrest him BEFORE he killed if this loophole was fixed.

That's what the NRA won't tell you.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:08 AM
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21. Hey guy, sounds like your right on!
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:10 AM
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22. I'm not sure what you mean. The NRA certainly agrees with...
...a violent felon facing serious jail time for the mere proximity to a firearm. This is also what the new gun control laws are all about.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 04:51 PM
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25. Help Me Understand....
So are you saying someone DESERVES to do more time because the crime was committed with a gun as opposed to another tool?

First of all , does the act of using a gun in a crime make that crime more heinous? Let's say someone used a machete and cuts an arm from a victim (a crime that actually occurred in my city not that long ago!). Is that person less guilty than someone who SHOT someone in the arm, causing them to lose it? I would hope your answer to that is no. It is my opinion that the crime itself should determine the punishment, not the tool used. Regardless of the instrument used, the effect is what is punished.

So let's go back to your argument. You say "Now - becuase he didn't kill him he is (I assume you meant isn't) going to be in jail for life. Instead he is going to charged with a lesser crime." Ok, you are right, he didn't kill the person, so he is being charged with the CRIME HE COMMITTED. I guess that is what the courts are for. Are you saying the person SHOULD be in jail for life for shotting someone in the arm? If so, would you say the same thing then if someone cut an arm off? What does the gun have to do with the crime?

You also state: "What does this mean for future murderer number one here? It means he's going to be out in your community a whole let of a lot sooner. What does that mean? It means he's going to be able to get a chance to kill." If that isn't jumping the GUN, I don't know what is. Who is to say the person is a killer? You? Are you making that assumption BECAUSE of the gun, or are you making the assumption that everyone who injures arms is in fact a killer?

Next point, you say: "IF this guy could have been charged for that ADDITIONAL crime he could have been put a way for a whole hell of a lot longer. But nope, because of the loophole he is going to be out on the streets to kill." It isn't a loophole. The guy doesn't get put away for "a whole hell of a lot longer" because he didn't do a crime that DESERVED longer. Whether it was by gun, by machete, by stick, or by hand...the person should be charged with the CRIME THEY COMMITTED, not the tool they used to do it.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:58 AM
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19. This is a bogus argument. You are trying to say that the millions of gun
deaths we have annually would be the same without the guns?? We would all be bludgeoning each other to death? Guns have a great deal to do with the highest rate of gun deaths in the world. This has been a conservative talking point for as long as I can remember and it is entirely bogus.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:21 AM
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24. You're off by a factor of 1000 (pretty big mistake there)
The US had ~10,000 gun-related homicides last year, hardly the "millions of gun deaths...annually" you stated. Also, there are many, many countries with rates of gun-related homicide far higher than ours. The qualifier needed is "developed" nations, ie comparing us to Western Europe and some of Asia. Worldwide, the US ranks somewhere in the middle compared to places like Iraq and Sudan. Incidentally, the number of gun-related homicides has fallen to the lowest levels since the early 1970's, while the number of guns in the hands of US citizens is at an all-time high.

The commonly tossed-around stat is that four times as many people are beaten to death each year in the US than shot, so that means that ~40,000 people were beaten to death last year. Removing guns would lower our murder rate a bit, but first you have to figure out how to remove the guns in the first place, a rather tough proposition considering there are 200 million+ guns in the US alone. But even without guns, our murder rate from beatings, stabbings, etc would still place us at the top of the developed/industrialized nations in terms of violence.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Bottom Line
The bottom line is this country needs to do more about violence, not more about guns.

It's like taking away crack pipes and leaving the crack there. The tool isnt the issue. It is a symptom, not the disease.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:46 AM
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28. We need an emoticon for the annoyance one feels when the...
...crickets are extremely loud.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:05 PM
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29. LOL
And ya know, I checked my posts, saw I had a reply and got SOOOO excited.

And then I noticed it wasn't a reply to the topic, but someone feeling the same way I do. Don't ya hate it when you say something and the silence is deafening?
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 05:27 PM
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30. It happens to me all the time... n/t
n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:33 PM
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3. Article makes it sound like there is always a three-day wait
But that is not the case.

The original, interim provisions of the Brady Act put a 5-day wait on all gun purchases from licensed dealers. That was eliminated in 1997 when the permanent provisions took effect. The three-day clause applies only when the National Instant Check System is unavailable or if the initial check comes up with a possible match and more time is needed to verify that the attempted purchaser is prohibited.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:16 AM
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23. NPR got this wrong this morning also. n/t
n/t
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:40 PM
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4. just like Texas under...Bush...
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 06:49 PM
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6. I'm not sure what you mean. Gun control under Bush and now...
...Perry is strict here if you have a record.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 07:06 PM
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7. This does go back a ways.......
August 1, 2000



The Honorable Janet Reno

Attorney General

Department of Justice

950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20530

Dear Attorney General Reno:

I read with great interest Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder’s June 4, 2000, announcement regarding the release of two Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports on Federal Firearm Offenders and Background Checks for Firearm Transfers. As you are aware, effective and timely enforcement of our nation’s federal firearms laws is of tremendous importance to the Congress. As we continue to look for effective strategies to prevent firearms from falling into the wrong hands and reduce gun violence, reports such as these are useful in evaluating the progress of the Administration on this front.

As Mr. Holder notes in his statement, "the Brady Law has stopped 536,000 felons, fugitives, domestic abusers, and other persons not legally allowed to have a gun from getting a gun." This is indeed an impressive record. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is one of the most effective tools we have to crack down on gun criminals and prevent crime. However, stopping the sale of a firearm to a prohibited person is only one component of an effective strategy to reduce violent criminal behavior. Prosecuting those felons, fugitives and domestic abusers who attempt to purchase a firearm is the other half of the equation.

The BJS report on Firearm Offenders states that an average of 6,700 defendants were charged with a firearm offense in U.S. district courts between 1992 and 1999. On its face, that number of prosecutions seems incredibly low given the number of prohibited persons stopped by the instant check system. An analysis of the BJS reports confirms that the number of federal prosecutions is severely inadequate.

As you are aware, 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6) makes the attempted purchase of a firearm by an individual who knowingly provides false information on a firearm transfer application (ATF Form 4473) a federal felony offense. In simple terms, it is a federal felony, punishable for up to ten years in prison, for felons, fugitives, domestic abusers or any other category of prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm if they knowingly falsify the purchase application.

Of the 204,000 attempted purchases stopped by NICS in 1999, the BJS report states that 71 percent of the rejections were for a felony conviction or indictment, 12 percent were for a disqualifying domestic violence conviction and three percent were rejected because the applicant was a fugitive from justice. Thus, 86 percent (approximately 175,440 persons) of those rejected by the instant check system had de facto committed another felony by falsifying ATF Form 4473. However, federal firearm prosecutions in aggregate totaled only 6,728. Although the report indicated the statistics for 1999 are preliminary data, that is a prosecution rate of only 3.29 percent. To put it another way, for every thirty rejected applications for a firearm transfer, there was only one prosecution.

If we are to concern ourselves with 1998, the latest year for which we have final data, the record is demonstrably worse. Of the rejected applications, totaling 90,000 in 1998, a mere 102 cases were federally prosecuted. That equates to a prosecution rate of less than one percent. Thus in 1998, for every 882 rejected applications for a firearm transfer there was only one federal prosecution. And while some have made the case that these cases are difficult to prosecute, I would note the statement of former federal prosecutor Andrew McBride of the Richmond office, now in private practice, that such cases are as easy to prosecute as "picking change up off the street."

Needless to say, these statistics are less than impressive. It is not hard to understand why this Administration has been criticized for being lax in enforcing existing federal firearm laws. In an effort to better understand why the Department of Justice is not doing more to prosecute violations of 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6), I would appreciate your answers to the following questions:

Some of the reasons for this poor prosecutorial record are indicated in the BJS Federal Firearm Offenders report. Citing table 1,"Firearm suspects declined for prosecution by U.S. attorneys, by reason for declination, 1998," some of the reasons listed for not prosecuting known gun criminals include: minimal federal interest and DOJ/U.S. Attorney policy. I find this very curious. Please tell me:
What exactly is the policy for prosecuting violations of 18 U.S.C(a)(6)?

Why there would be a DOJ/U.S. Attorney policy not to prosecute those who violate federal firearms laws?

Why there would be "minimal federal interest" in prosecuting those who violate federal firearm laws?

Another reason that was cited in table 1 for declining to prosecute was "weak evidence." Without knowing the facts of each individual case, I would note the following: If an individual knowingly makes a false statement on ATF Form 4473, that is a felony. Form 4473 requires the prospective purchaser to state whether or not he/she is disqualified from purchasing a firearm. Furthermore, each disqualifying criterion is listed on Form 4473 and requires a yes or no answer. Form 4473 also requires a signature by the prospective purchaser and the seller. Form 4473 also requires many other identifiers to verify the identity of the transferee. Thus, if an individual is rejected because NICS system reports that a prospective purchaser is a convicted felon and falsified a document in an attempt to obtain a firearm, that is a violation of U.S.C. 922(a)(6). It seems to me that this should be a relatively open and shut case.
However, of the 204,000 individuals denied the purchase of firearm "nearly 3 out of 4 rejections for firearm transfer occurred because the applicant either had a felony conviction or was under felony indictment." Therefore, it follows that over 150,000 individuals committed a federal felony by falsifying ATF Form 4473. Yet, a February, 2000 General Accounting Office report on the Implementation of NICS showed that in FY 1999, U.S Attorneys filed only 278 cases involving alleged false statements of 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6) and 316 cases were pending at fiscal yearend. Please explain the lack of federal prosecutions for false statements on ATF Form 4473. Also explain towhat degree "weak evidence" contributes to the unwillingness of U.S. Attorneys to prosecute 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6) violations.

Appendix III of the GAO audit describes federal enforcement policies regarding falsified firearm purchase applications. It states:
In November 1998, EOUSA provided Brady Act prosecutive guidance . . . The guidance stated that thousands of potential Brady false-form cases would likely reach ATF field offices annually, and that the system "would grind to a halt if ATF investigated all the denials."

The report goes on to say that the EOUSA guidance recommended that U.S. Attorneys should "make every effort to increase the number of Brady false-form prosecutions (from the current annual level of 50 cases)."

The GAO audit also states that in deciding which false form violations to forward to U.S. Attorneys, ATF’s policy is to refer those cases where the "denied purchaser’s criminal history has records of violent felonies, serious drug trafficking, or prior firearms convictions." Yet the GAO report indicates that over half of the referrals of violent criminals were closed without investigation or prosecution.

In light of these GAO findings, I would like answers to the following:

Why were half of the referrals of violent criminals closed without investigation or prosecution?
What efforts has the Department of Justice undertaken to increase the number of false form prosecutions? Has EOUSA issued any additional guidance regarding 18 U.S.C. (a)(6) violations?
Since November 1998, how many 18 U.S.C. (a)(6) violations have been referred to U.S. Attorneys by ATF field offices?
How many 18 U.S.C. (a)(6) false form prosecutions have U.S. Attorneys undertaken since the November 1998 EOUSA guidance?
I do not believe that violent felons, upon learning they are disqualified from firearm ownership, give up their search to obtain a firearm. Please explain why U.S. Attorneys are unwilling to enforce 18 U.S.C. (a)(6) even for violent felons who attempt to purchase firearms?
At a June 21, 2000, hearing at the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding improvements to NICS, Mr. David Loesch, Assistant Director in charge of the Criminal Justice Information Services Division of the FBI testified that the law prohibiting felonious misrepresentation of firearm eligibility "is essentially unenforceable." Would you please expand on this statement and explain why your representative characterized this law as such? Do you share the view that this law is unenforceable? Please comment on the enforceability of U.S.C. 18 (a)(6) in all its specifics and in general.
Your attention to this matter is greatly appreciated. I look forward to your response. If you have any questions about this matter, please have your staff contact Michael Hacker of my office at (202) 225-4071.

With every good wish,



Sincerely,





John D. Dingell

Member of Congress


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 07:45 PM
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8. Wow, NRA propaganda...
Who'd have guessed somebody would post something like that....
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:16 AM
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13. Please point out the errors
I'm fairly open-minded; I would like to know what in the above post was a lie.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:27 AM
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15. Yup, Damn that Republican Dingell to hell.....
oh, wait. never mind.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:13 AM
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18. This was a letter sent by Rep. Dingell (D) to then Attorney...
...General Janet Reno taking the administration to task for doing absolutely nothing to stop firearms from getting into the hands of those that should not have them other than passing laws that are not enforced but are used in campaigns to make the candidate appear to actually be doing something about a serious problem. Remember that statement about 500,000 felons not being able to get guns? It was what could politely be called total bullshit.

I commend Rep. Dingell for taking this action. It was not what one would call a career enhancing move. If we had just a couple more Democrats like him we would have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. We would also have less firearms in the hands of felons, unless one can posses firearms while in prison, that is. My assumption is that one cannot.




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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 08:56 PM
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9. I franky don't give one whit for either side of the debate on guns.
There are MUCH more important issues at stake, right now.

The so-called gun-nuts have receeded into their own little world and the gun-haters are doing the same.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #9
16. then why'd Big Dog bring gun control up tonight?
I'm a little bit stumped by that...
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:05 AM
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20. Yup, I pretty much tuned out at that point. This is too important...
...an election to go before the American people and tell an obvious lie. There is no need to do this also. It does no good at all to have someone tell a lie and then endorse Kerry. I had hoped that Clinton would use his oratory skills to really push the importance of this election and what a Kerry leadership can do for the good of the nation.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:31 PM
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10. So how many of those 122,000 denied are in prison right now?
Other than computer errors, the only way you can be denied a gun purchase by the instant background check is by having a felony or domestic abuse misdemenor (sp?) on your record. It asks you this on the 4473 form you must fill out before they even call in the background check. If you do have a felony record, but lie and mark no, the background check would catch you (well, 99.99% of the time at least) and deny you the gun.

The kicker is that IT IS ANOTHER FELONY TO LIE ON THE 4473 FORM!!!! Even if we generously assume 50% of those denied were law-abiding and only denied based on computer errors, thats still over 60,000 felons who were never prosecuted! Does anyone else find this a little more worrisome than the 7,000 that slipped through and purchased guns at gun stores? I'm be a hell of a lot more worried about the 60,000-100,000 felons who were simply left to walk back out of the store to find a gun on the black market than arrested and convicted for the serious crime they committed. It is pretty common knowledge that felons cannot own firearms, so I don't think those 60,000+ felons were just trying to get guns for deer season.

This is exactly why I'm so against new gun control measures right now. What's the use of enacting new forms of gun control when you don't prosecute those who violate existing ones? I would wager that enforcing this one current law and arresting these felons would do much more to prevent gun violence than simply enacting another unenforced law.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. I couldn't agree more. n/t
n/t
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:55 AM
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17. My Favorite Paragraph of that article:
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 12:56 AM by happyslug
"Many U.S. attorneys believe cases are difficult to bring to a jury... partly because a denial can occur because of seemingly minor offenses that happened long ago. Examples include a man who had stolen a pig in 1941, a person convicted of check forgery in 1959 and someone with an attempted burglary conviction dating to 1963."

This is why the 97% return rate, many of these people may have forgotten the conviction (Some were for conviction PRIOR to the 1968 Gun Control Act) or they did not think the particular conviction counted (It may not have the last time their purchased a gun decades ago).

I agree with you that pistols (Including black powder pistols) should be sold with a back ground check. Even the Black Powder pistols are capable of being concealed and as such can be used for illegal activity.

On the other hand, given the low level of use of other firearms in Crime I do not think regulations of them have done any good (By this I mean both the ban on automatic weapons, and the regulations on Rifles and Shotguns).

My point here is what the US needs is a Gun Control law that is EFFECTIVE at keeping weapon away from Criminals and at the same time do not excessively restrict people who want to buy one. The present law is a mish-mash of laws passed over the last 100 years, each passed to solve a perceived problem of its time period. A better system would be as follows:

Pistols (Defined as any weapon with a barrel less than 16 inches long) would have to be sold by a gun store upon presentation of Photo ID and a back ground check for pass crime. Any body who wrongfully gets pistol should have to return the weapon within 24 hour of being informed of the wrongful sale. Police would be notified to pick up the weapon. A person will have to have a license to carry from his local Sheriff.

Carbines (Defined as weapons with barrels between 16 and 20 inches in length). An intermediate restrictions for while not easy to conceal like a pistols could still be concealed in a car (AK-47 is like for for its short 16 inch barrel than its accuracy or power). I would restrict sales to Gun Dealers and demand ID but if passed the Instant Check leave the buyer take the Gun right out of the store.

Rifles (Defined as weapons with barrels over 20 inches in Length) having no restriction except no incompetent or criminally insane person could obtain one. These weapons are rarely used in crime and when their are the Criminals are quickly caught. The existing Restrictions on such weapons are not justified by how often these are used in crime. I would not object to a felon having such weapons provided he gets approval from his local sheriff or Judge (Unless he was convicted of a Non-violent felony than no restrictions). I would even permit catalog sales (provided a instant background check is done).

This would be a better system of Gun Control than we have at present, with its stupid rules as to what is a "Assault Weapon" or can you put a stock on a pistol? (The answer is NO if the barrel of the pistol is less than 16 inches, than it is an illegal short barrel rifle and banned liked automatic weapons and shotguns with less than 18 inch barrels).

Yes, people will try to work around the rules (People always have) but the power of any particular weapon is more the product of its barrel length than any other single factor and if we are going to permit pistols than why not permit someone to use a 30'06 in a ten inch barrel if he is stupid enough to want to try. I am even willing to permit leaving States ban pistols (as defined above) and Carbine (as defined above) if the states want to.

The purpose of this proposals is NOT to permit the sale of every weapon people want but to direct scarce resources (i.e. TAX MONEY) to preventing weapons that are most used in Crime from falling into the hands of Criminals.

Furthermore we should consider regulating weapons to encourage criminals to use certain types of weapons over others. For example if we want to protect Police, it may be better to permit a lesser charge if a criminal has a single Action Revolver instead of an automatic pistol. While both are pistols, the Single Action Revolver will shoot less bullets if the criminal with it decides to shoot it out with the police. Remember most criminals (Especially Drug Dealers) do NOT carry pistols to protect themselves from the Police but other Criminals. A Single Action Revolver may just be enough and many will carry it if the sentence is less than if their carry an Automatic Pistol. Remember right now if you are a drug dealer and carry either type of pistols the sentence is the same. Thus given the greater firepower of the Automatic drug dealers carry Automatics, but will they if the sentence if less if their carry Single Action Revolvers? Would police prefer the Drug Dealers to have Single Action Revolvers over Automatics?

Sentencing for illegal possession of a Firearm should reflect a policy to encourage a less capable weapon if a complete ban is impossible to enforce.

These are where Gun Control laws need to be reformed. First to channel more tax money to preventing criminals from obtaining pistols (Criminals first weapon of Choice) and Second to encourage drug dealers to carry Revolvers over Automatics (Thus giving the Police an advantage over the drug dealer).

Laws have to reflect what we can do to reduce crime NOT want we would like to happen. Most gun Control laws today reflect a wish that some particular type of weapon could be banned from society. It has changed over the years. In the 1960s it was the "Saturday Night Specials" and the "Sniper Rifle", in the 1970s it was Pistols, in the 1980s it was "Automatic Weapons", in the 1990s it was the "Super nines" and the "Assault Weapon". From these movements we have our existing Gun Control law, a mish-mash of good intentions and bad lobbying.

What we need a a comprehensive set of laws that reflect what is needed to control crime at the lowest costs to Americans in the term of tax used to enforce the laws (and maximum benefit from reduction in crime) AND reduction in laws that are not as efficient in reducing crime no matter how popular they are (Or are not).
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