Five of Bush’s substitute trainings invalid under Air Force regulations

[rawstory]

EXCLUSIVE to THE RAW STORY
http://rawstory.com

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A closer examination of President George W. Bush’s records of his service in the Texas Air National Guard and the Air Reserve reveals that as much as 60 percent of Bush’s substitute training sessions scheduled were invalid under Air Force regulations because they were conducted more than 15 days in advance of his scheduled training, according to an investigation by RAW STORY.

He was also paid for these invalid makeup sessions, according to his records.

On one weekend in 1972, and four weekends in 1973, according to documents released by the White House, Bush attended makeup training sessions for session he intended to miss. Each of those makeup sessions, credited for the days beginning 11/13/72, 1/06/73, 1/09/73, 7/16/73 and 7/18/73, were scheduled more than 15 days before the scheduled service date.

Under Air Force policy, all “substitute training” at the time had to be performed “within 15 days immediately before or 30 days immediately after the regularly scheduled (service date, a.k.a. UTA).”

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DEVELOPING HARDER: No evidence that Bush made up any of his training sessions during his “Alabama campaign;” In fact, White House documents appear to show he never made up the training at all... Stayed tuned -- there's a lot more to this than this initial stuff...

best to get there from main page to get most up-to-date as it develops: http://rawstory.com

Or current direct link: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=162

[Wickerman]

1. Ah, the life of priviledge

means never having to do Guard Duty nor be accountable for it.

[saigon68]

6. AN AWOL CHIMPANZEE DRAFT DODGER

what a guy

[Catfight]

2. AWOL W BUSH!

[Carni]

3. Not to sound stupid

But is this a big deal?

I don't know ANYTHING about military protocol -- how bad is this if it pans out? (Not the AWOL I mean the specific charge of these invalid makeup sessions)

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

5. It's just another piece of the puzzle

It wouldn't have been as much of an issue if * didn't go around declaring himself to be a "war president", prance around in a flight suit costume, send young men and women into battle in Iraq and Afghanistan, and refuse to release the documents which would substantiate his claim to have completed all his TANG duty requirements.

As it is, I think the big issue is being overlooked: The U.S. and Texas taxpayers paid more than $1 million to train * to fly. For this, * incurred an obligation to serve in that position for a specified number of years. If he didn't perform that duty, or if he got out early on a whim, then he has cheated the taxpayers.

[luaneryder]

10. Very good point

since a thread yesterday had a lnk to a story about a Guard/Reserve member being charged over $900 to repay an enlistment bonus when he went active. * should have to pay back a prorated amount for the training he did not justify by making flights.

[mom cat]

11. Wonder what $1,000,000 1n1972 would be worth today with

inflation, interest, penalties etc. Hummm?

[vision]

42. well offhand

I know that $0.12 in 1964 is worth about $0.73 today (article in Comics Buyer's Guide on the inflation in comic prices) so using that as a rough guide it would be what? At least $8 mil?

[jukes]

19. and if he wasn't a rich brat

he wdnt have been allowed to do it. a working class slob wd have mustered, or been court martialed for that type of behavior.

[tabasco]

21. It means he's unfit to be the Commander In Chief.

I served ten years in the infantry and never bent the rules. That's what's expected of troops. Bush has always found a way to shirk responsibility and duty, which directly relates to his leadership ability. Bush doesn't know the first thing about true leadership. He is a scammer and a slacker.

[sandnsea]

24. How'd he get an honorable discharge???

They're trying to say he made up the time and was honorably discharged. If the time wasn't made up correctly, who signed off on it and why? And who gave someone an honorable discharge if they didn't serve under National Guard rules, like everybody else? Cronyism. It's the George Bush way of life.

[Carni]

27. Ok...NOW I get it

I forgot that they have actually made claims that he made up his time...and if this pans out then indeed he didn't.

At the very least they will be caught red handed in a lie.

[Longhorn79]

36. If by 'big deal' you mean will anybody care,

the answer is no, because nobody will know except you, me, and the other 200 people in America who read the article. If by 'big deal' in terms of a national guardsmen, well I doubt it.

[cal04]

4. posted this morning from rawstory without a link just a headline

in general discussion because there was no link but this was also found on buzzflash

http://www.glcq.com/fraud.htm

[rawstory]

9. well yeah, that's us.

;)

[Ernesto]

31. thanks for the page

i just put in my "favorites"

[0007]

25. Thanks for the link, now I hope everyone will read these documents.

[w4rma]

7. The AP and Reuters would jump all over this if it were a Democrat

But Bush is a Republican. I'll bet that there isn't a single AP/Reuters story about this before the election.

[Octafish]

8. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[rawstory]

12. MOD PLEASE UNLOCK!!

Please unlock the other story -- it's COMPLETELY different -- there are two different stories -- the invalid months are INDEPENDENT of the months that he COMPLETELY MISSED...

THANKS!

[NashVegas]

13. Who Is Paul Lukasiak And What Are His Credentials?

This story needs to be validated.

[rawstory]

14. Validate it yourself! All the documents are there, dude

Thanks -- don't be lazy. I double-checked everything he said with the docs the White House released. You can do the same.

http://factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Document%205%20-%20Payroll%20Records.pdf

[0007]

26. Love your moxie!

[Bridget Burke]

17. Paul Lukasiak has the AWOL project.

It's a collection of documents on bush's military "service".

www.glcq.com/

He's quite well known.

[rawstory]

18. He helped explain it all to me -- thanks for the link

There's a damn lot of documentation -- he's now working on a piece about the latest issue which i've been reporting on "bush missed five months of guard service he never made up" (http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=163) in an effort to give it a broader audience.

Hopefully some of the DUers will see and believe, and maybe, just maybe, it will popup in the mainstream media three months from now (which wouldn't be so bad, incidentally) -- the same way that Warner/Moonie thing did.

If only the mainstream media did more of their jobs, they wouldn't need to be whooped around by Drudge and myself, a 23-year-old, who basically finds all his stories through tipsters and a close crawl of the Net.

MAINSTREAM MEDIA -- if you're listening -- check out all the facts and validate them yourself. If the press is so liberal as everyone purports it to be, this story should be a hot find for an enterprising young reporter.

[Joanne98]

37. Thanks rawstory

Your a real asset to DU :)

[rawstory]

15. BREAKING NEW STORY: BUSH NEVER MADE UP GUARD SERVICE FOR 72-73

Since the Mods couldn't tell these were two completely different stories, I guess I'll have to post this here:

EXCLUSIVE TO THE RAW STORY, http://rawstory.com

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

Instead of dispelling claims that President George W. Bush was absent without leave (AWOL), a close inspection of the payroll records released by the White House actually show that the President never made up five months of missed Air Force National Guard service in 1972 and 1973, RAW STORY can reveal.

The research, conducted by Paul Lukasiak, surrounds one line of type in Bush’s payroll records from the second quarter of the calendar year 1973.

The bottom line below plainly shows the credits, or “points,” Bush received for his unit training assembly (UTA) sessions. The first set of four numbers represent the points accrued for the current fiscal year (CUR FY).

As the document shows, he did not accrue any points for the first quarter of fiscal year 1973, which began July 1, 1972. The coversheet for the payroll records (released to the media this month) also confirms this: he was paid nothing for July, August or September.

[rawstory]

33. SELLING story to NPR and Air America tonight

I'm trying my damndest to get this into the mainstream, and am right now working on a clearer story with easier to read documentation. Both sources at these networks have expressed interest.

it's just so damn hard to explain these docs, and there's no experts on thirty-year old punch cards -- you have to figure them out yourself. but there is one page that's a little clearer than the one I've already posted -- and will add that here later tonight.

[gratuitous]

16. I wonder who went to Nam in Lil George's place?

And did that person fail to perform for over a year, and still draw pay?

[Jack from Charlotte]

20. Here's the list from his hometown who died in Viet Nam.........

Here are the young men from Midland, Texas, (Bush's hometown) who died in Vietnam in place of George W. Bush, as he stayed in Texas afraid to go to war:

(1) LASTNAME: CUTBIRTH FIRSTNAME: KENDELL DWAYNE IDNO: 1912851 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: SSG GRADE: E6 MOS: 0369 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670225 CAS1: A1 CAS2: G CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 01 LSVC: 06 BIRDATE: 19430429 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: ------ PANL: 15E LINE: 089 REFNO: 2287 PDATE: 6702

(2) LASTNAME: DYER FIRSTNAME: IRBY III IDNO: 458709452 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SGT GRADE: E5 MOS: 91B40 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19661202 CAS1: A3 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: BNR CTRY: LA PROV: LZ LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19430612 RACE: C REL: 99 MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 661202 PANL: 13E LINE: 004 REFNO: 133 PDATE: 6701

(3) LASTNAME: GUERRERO FIRSTNAME: ANDREW CASTRO IDNO: 449984505 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: CPL PP: + GRADE: E3 MOS: 11B10 AGE: 19 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19701217 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19510516 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 700619 PANL: 06W LINE: 127 REFNO: 28717 PDATE: 7012

(4) LASTNAME: HALL FIRSTNAME: BRUCE IDNO: 18742754 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B2P AGE: 19 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19671227 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 09 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19480516 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 671003 PANL: 32E LINE: 072 REFNO: 9539 PDATE: 6712

(5) LASTNAME: HODGES FIRSTNAME: RUFUS WELDON IDNO: 54388226 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 67V20 AGE: 21 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690117 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 26 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19471017 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680518 PANL: 34W LINE: 024 REFNO: 3232 PDATE: 6901

(6) LASTNAME: HOLLEY FIRSTNAME: GLYNN BYRON IDNO: 566821922 SVC: F COMP: R RANK: A1C GRADE: E3 MOS: ----- AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19691226 CAS1: C2 CAS2: L CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 11 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19490527 RACE: C REL: CC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 691206 PANL: 15W LINE: 093 REFNO: 427 PDATE: 6912

(7) LASTNAME: LOPEZ FIRSTNAME: PAULINO GUTIERREZ IDNO: 54382708 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: PFC GRADE: E3 MOS: 11B10 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670722 CAS1: A2 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 25 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19440622 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670501 PANL: 23E LINE: 106 REFNO: 7260 PDATE: 6707

(8) LASTNAME: MC KINNEY FIRSTNAME: CECIL CURTIS IDNO: 18728047 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP5 GRADE: E5 MOS: 91B2P AGE: 22 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19681005 CAS1: A1 CAS2: I CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19460926 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670520 PANL: 41W LINE: 014 REFNO: 17621 PDATE: 6810

(9) LASTNAME: NIEDECKEN FIRSTNAME: RAYMOND ALVIS IDNO: 2353821 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: PFC GRADE: E2 MOS: 0311 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19671228 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 03 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19470812 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 671117 PANL: 32E LINE: 088 REFNO: 5441 PDATE: 6712

(10) LASTNAME: SATTERFIELD FIRSTNAME: HOWARD EUGENE IDNO: 525660321 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP5 GRADE: E5 MOS: 94B20 AGE: 37 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19700829 CAS1: C2 CAS2: U CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19320909 RACE: C REL: 99 MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 700219 PANL: 07W LINE: 023 REFNO: 5556 PDATE: 7008

(11) LASTNAME: SEGOVIA FIRSTNAME: RAUL LERMA IDNO: 54388602 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B20 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690130 CAS1: C1 CAS2: V CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 07 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19480330 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680909 PANL: 33W LINE: 022 REFNO: 3271 PDATE: 6901

(12) LASTNAME: SIMMONS FIRSTNAME: TRAVIS A JR IDNO: 7715206 SVC: N COMP: V RANK: HM3 GRADE: E4 MOS: HM3 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670316 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 05 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19430827 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: ------ PANL: 16E LINE: 098 REFNO: 240 PDATE: 6703

(13) LASTNAME: STALL FIRSTNAME: WILLIAM ROBB IDNO: 2303522 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: LCPL GRADE: E3 MOS: 0846 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19680118 CAS1: A1 CAS2: G CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 01 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19470214 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670922 PANL: 34E LINE: 071 REFNO: 5613 PDATE: 6801

(14) LASTNAME: TAYLOR FIRSTNAME: SELVWYN RISHER IDNO: W3161245 SVC: A COMP: V RANK: WO GRADE: W1 MOS: 061B AGE: 31 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690316 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 1 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 30 LSVC: 12 BIRDATE: 19371218 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680819 PANL: 29W LINE: 056 REFNO: 3435 PDATE: 6903

(15) LASTNAME: WATSON FIRSTNAME: GARY EUGENE IDNO: 54387872 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B20 AGE: 24 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19680403 CAS1: A1 CAS2: H CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 06 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19440318 RACE: C REL: CC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670725 PANL: 47E LINE: 057 REFNO: 12830 PDATE: 6804

(16) LASTNAME: ZONNE FIRSTNAME: ROBERT JOHN JR IDNO: 462620728 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: CPT GRADE: O3 MOS: 0200 AGE: 27 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19700420 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 25 LSVC: 04 BIRDATE: 19420528 RACE: C REL: EP MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 690718 PANL: 11W LINE: 029 REFNO: 5085 PDATE: 7004

[TacticalPeek]

34. Thanks for posting this info.

:kick:

[Tight_rope]

49. Bush deserted his country once and he has done it again. He is a traitor!

George W. Bush is "NOT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE"!

[nolabels]

22. This story and the people that lie to cover it up never ends

Kind of reminds me of a another day in september

[KC21304]

23. I agree with those saying the bigger story is his not fulfilling

his contract to fly for 4 years after certification. He was certified in July 1970 and the last possible time he could have flown was April 16th, 1972. That is only 20 months. He said in his biography that he flew several years after he was certified. That is a bold face lie.

He did not attend any meetings from April until Oct, if he even did then. He was grounded in August 1972 for " failure to accomplish medical examination." He did not get accepted in Postal unit in Alabama until after he applied in Sept, and then was ordered to report Oct 7-8 and Nov 4-5. The dates he actually did report ( if he did ) do not correspond to these dates so he should have been rounded up after he missed the Oct 7-8 dates.


I must make a correction. The postal unit was the first unit in AL he was first accepted into but then rejected. He did not attend meetings with that unit.

[Chicago Democrat]

28. bump

[Disturbed]

29. Fraud

Seems that most people want this story to die. It is relevant because this person brags that he is the "War" Pres. He commited fraud and he is a fraud.

[GoldenOldie]

30. My Question is

When he failed to report or refused to take a required flight physical why was he not considered AWOL or charged with insuborindation???? When he failed to attend meetings why was he not immediately activated into the Regular Army.....this has been done to many Guard/Reserves who have failed to meet their commitments???

Any middleclass or poor kid that did or does this would have been charged with desertion and thrown in the brig. No matter how they try to slice and dice this, Georgie has never been responsible for his actions......it's the Bush way......you know family values and all that crap.

[HuckleB]

32. OK, then, George. It's either to Leavenworth or Iraq with you.

Take your pick, but, no, you don't get hardship pay in either location.

[rawstory]

35. THIS STORY going on AIR AMERICA at 10PM!

WORD! OUR first big media newscast!!

Listen up to the ten o clock air america for this story -- proof that internet reporting can make a difference -- and he's gonna try to get it on tomorrow morning, but I'm not so hopeful.

Even so -- from DU to Air America, it's great!

[rawstory]

38. Here's Air America link...coming up now

http://play.rbn.com/?url=airam/airam/live/live.rm&proto=rtsp

[Joanne98]

39. Du breaks another story

Rawstory is AWESOME. We're awesome. Make sure they this website some credit okay raw? Go DU GO......:)

[rawstory]

41. AL FRANKEN talked about it

"I don't know the website, but this guy has always been in the champagne brigade"

or something to that effect!! hopefully he'll mention it tomorrow on his show!

[rawstory]

45. hahah

apparently he said something to the effect was, "how fitting this is coming out during convention week when it will get swept under the rug." haha...but at least it was on the newscast.

[hayu_lol]

40. Thanks Raw...

This is important to every veteran who ever served, to every active duty member of the armed forces, to every reservist in any service and their families.

Those of us who served honorably need to see this guy face up to his actions.

[TacticalPeek]

43. Kick morning.

In search of mainstream literacy.

This is coming to get you, Shrub. :evilgrin:

[Judi Lynn]

44. Thursday morning Raw Story kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[yellowcanine]

46. I am starting to worry that this story distracts from the mess in Iraq -

and then if no "smoking gun" is found that pproves that Bush didn't fulfill his obligation (I don't think he did but am not sure anyone can prove it) - then Bush will get the benefit of the doubt and meantime a lot of what goes on in Iraq is ignored by the media.

[rawstory]

47. But this does prove it -- there are myriad smoking guns

Just read the whole story, and look at the documents yourself. No reasonable person could conclude that he actually served those five months. they're just not credited. "doesn't prove" -- i mean, if your timecard says, a year after you did something for the last year, that you didn't do it, can you reasonably argue that you did? come on -- this is a new story, it examines it in more detail.

And the good news is, our people are connecting with the DNC and who have 2,000 media contacts, so with a little luck, it will hit the national stage and increase kerry's bump.

i agree with you on iraq -- but wouldn't kerry being president be better for iraq than bush? if it helps get kerry into office, i think, it's a good thing.

[yellowcanine]

48. I just think the Iraq fiasco has more potential of driving voters away

from Bush - IF they know the sordid details and aren't distracted by other stuff.