Saddam has had a stroke, says lawyer

[Freddie Stubbs]

Bruce Wilson
29jul04

SADDAM Hussein has suffered a stroke and could die before facing trial, a member of his legal team has claimed.

Jordanian lawyer Mohammed al-Rashdan said a brain scan had indicated the stroke.

"Our information is that he's in very poor health," he said.

This conflicts with comments this week by an Iraqi minister who visited Saddam and found him depressed but fit.

more: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10275690%255E663,00.html

[Liberal Veteran]

1. How....convenient for Bush.

:eyes:

[salinen]

7. If I hadn't used spell check

on convenient, I would be ahead of you. Just sayin.

[demoman123]

13. It might be convenient for Saddam

"Mentally unfit to stand trial." That's how the guy that burglarized my house last Xmas is trying to avoid being prosecuted.

[ahimsa]

28. This can't be all good for Bush

..if Saddam might have died on his own within a couple of years if we hadn't invaded. So either Bush killed him directly or indirectly or he would have died anyway. :eyes: I don't see how that could be spun as good for Bush.

[Zorra]

30. Great point. Over ten thousand dead to get rid of a dictator that

would have died anyway.

[LiberalFighter]

33. Except that...

his sons would still be alive...

BUT...
If Saddam had died the people might not had accepted Uday as their leader. We will never what the outcome would had been if gw* had stayed out of it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. Except that...

...all we know about the sons is what we've been told from the same Iraqi sources that swore Iraq had WMDs.

[Fixated]

49. Um....

And.....videos of them torturing people...

[daleo]

52. Has anyone seen these videos?

And testified to their accuracy? Anyone trustworthy, I mean?

[Canuckistanian]

53. It's unlikely that Uday or Qusay could've held power

They were vicious thugs, yes, but it's unlikely they could have gotten the backing to continue to rule. They were generally undisciplined brats who had no basic political talents.

[LiberalFighter]

67. They would had for a short bit.... I agree wouldnt likely had lasted long

Saddam even punished one or both if I remember.

There probably would had been events happening after the death that would had initially put power into Uday's control. Then support would had started to combined to eliminate him.

[Thor_MN]

62. IF Saddam can't tell his story

we can't hear how Ronnie and Poppie and Donnie sold him WMD, a bill od goods and then sold him down the river. Saddam Sings is NOT on the BFEE's top ten....

[smb]

76. It's Also A "Stroke" Of Luck...

...for everybody implicated in the "Oil For Food" (i.e. Oil For Saddam's Luxuries & Weapons) scam if Saddam shuffled off this mortal coil.

I wouldn't want to issue life insurance to someone whose death would be so convenient to the people in charge of France, Germany, & Russia (for that reason) as well as the powers that be in the US & UK (for the reasons mentioned by others on this thread). (If this is something other than a natural stroke, my bet would be on an ex-KGB guy working for the Russians, given that it was done so compentently.)

[salinen]

2. How convenient

[gasperc]

20. took the words out of the post I was planning

:kick:

[Bonobo]

3. I'm shocked! Shocked! Who could have predicted he might die before

he had a chance to embarrass Bush, Blair and the BFEE!

[gasperc]

21. those drugs the've been pumping him with have taken long enough

eom

[Old and In the Way]

4. No surprise.

I never expected he'd get his day in court.

[Dhalgren]

66. Off topic OAITW,

but I always loved Pigpen (heterosexually, of course).

[Old and In the Way]

71. I subject always worth commenting on.

There was only one Pigpen!

:-)

[Algomas]

73. Much less splashy...

than the Jack Ruby retirement model. It doesn't matter though, history will determine El Chimpadero to be the first and last American emperor. It is somehow up to us to make sure that happens...Thank God he is such a moran, it makes the job a lot easier and sometimes quite entertaining.

[jayfish]

5. Didn't A DU'er Call This When Saddam...

was captured? I'd like to take credit but I wasn't that brave. How transparent can we get?

Jay

[0007]

45. Yeah jayfish, about every DUer knew Saddam wouldn't be going to trial

Oh hum, kind of resembles the Jack Ruby thingy, 'eh?

[jayfish]

55. Yeah But The Bravest Among Us Actually Said It. -NT-

Jay

[Mandate My Ass]

6. A stroke eh?

I wonder what they "stroked" him with. Probably a 2 x 4.

[Snazzy]

8. They had him gardening and eating muffins

sometime around yesterday....

:donut:

[noonwitch]

12. And writing poetry about Bush

Don't forget that!

My grandma had a stroke and where her short term memory is shot, her long term memory is very intact. A stroke will not necessarily prevent Saddam from remembering past deals with Rumsfeld, GHWB, Cheney/Halliburton or the chimp.

[Maeve]

17. It was the muffins!

They said he was regaining weight--and the muffins got him!
:silly:

[Cicero]

46. Do you know the muffin man?

:crazy:

later,

[Pachamama]

70. It's the Partially Hydrogenated Oils & Corn Syrup! It's killing all of us

....:puke:

Or maybe they gave him some of the Ricin laced Baby Food? :eyes:

[bluedog]

9. ah ha....

I knew the US couldn'y afford to have him on cameras and the worlds stage.........to give us the real info on all the bushies and rummys plans.......

[Az_lefty]

10. He seemed pretty healthy when he appeared at his arraignment.

[candy]

19. A stroke happens suddenly for heavens sake!

[Zorra]

32. Didn't Allawi just execute 6 Iraqis by shooting them in the head in cold

blood at point blank range a few weeks ago?

Yeah, it could have been "natural causes".

It could happen.

[Emillereid]

11. Color me surprised!

There have already been reports of cancer -- hey, but stroke is good, maybe better because if he ever gets a forum and spurts out all that juicy stuff about complicity with Rumsfeld, the Bushits and the like -- they can just say that he is brain-damaged and doesn't have a clue what he is saying.

[bowens43]

14. Everyone knew that Saddam would die before testifying.....

There was never a doubt. Once the bushies got a hold of him he was as good as dead.

[UTUSN]

15. WOODWARD Will Be Allowed a Deathbed "Interview" n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

42. Yeah...he could sneak in and interview Saddam just like he snuck in....

...to interview William Casey. Perfect subjects for Woodward... Casey was unconscious and Saddam might as well be.

[okieinpain]

16. yep, he will only remember killing people. none of the details

involving the bfee.

[peterh]

18. a request for an outside doctor is refused…..

kinda makes you go hmmmm….



Rashdan said: 'We've been told he has suffered from a number of headaches, has had a heart problem of some kind and then this stroke. He has also lost a great deal of weight. His family, as well as ourselves,are concerned for his welfare.

'We don't understand why our request to send our own doctor to check onhim has been refused.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14469025&method=full&siteid=89488&headline=we-might-not-have-a-tyrant-to-defend-name_page.html

[bluedog]

22. Mirror of London has this........

SADDAM'S 'STROKE'

Jul 28 2004


Ex-dictator's lawyer says he had brain scan and could die

Exclusive By Gary Jones In Amman, Jordan


snip

A letter demanding their doctor be given access to the former dictator was yesterday sent by Jordanian lawyer Mohammed al-Rashdan to Salem Chalebi, the head of the Iraqi prosecuting authorities.

Mr al-Rashdan said: "Our information is that he's in very poor health. We understand from the International Committee of the Red Cross that our client has had a brain scan to discover how badly he has been affected by the stroke. We believe he could die because of his health problems.

"We also think an attempt may be made on his life.

snip

"We believe any trial could be months, if not years away - I think Bush and Blair would be happier if he died from ill health."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14467737&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=saddam-s--stroke--name_page.html

[smb]

77. Beware!

Ex-dictator's lawyer says he had brain scan and could die

I had no idea that a brain scan was so dangerous! :crazy:

[smb]

23. Hmmmm....

"Strokes" are an old KGB specialty. There are plenty of old KGB guys working for higher guys who are up to their armpits in the "Oil For Food" scam....

[dbt]

24. Oh, bother!

Now...which drugs cause a stroke and leave no traces in the system? Just another damn nagging question courtesy of the BFEE.

:freak:
dbt

[Union Thug]

25. None of us saw THIS coming.. wink wink..

Unbelievable. Literally.

[Kool Kitty]

26. Well, isn't this convenient.

Dead men tell no tales.

[oneighty]

31. Someone somewhere

Has a big box of goodies labeled "In the event of my untimely death, open". Thank you! (Signed)Saddam.

180

[sistersofmercy]

57. Yep, that's what I think n/t

[Kool Kitty]

64. That would be great.

I'm hopin'.

[daleo]

27. I am shocked

Shocked I say!

[Zorra]

29. Nurse Ratchet says "Take the medication or we will cut off your hands"

[Laughing Mirror]

34. Does Saddam have a food taster in prison?

I doubt it.

[SoCalDem]

44. Oh My God... The Muffin Man did it...

Thats' the ticket...yeh....the muffin man did it...

or was it the colonel in the parlor???

[Politicub]

35. I knew it!

Bushco would off him somehow. Saddam may be one of the most evil men on earth, but he's also a treasure trove of information about the corrupt Bush administration. I knew he would never have a chance on the witness stand.

[kerouac]

36. Guess war wasn't needed to oust him. Oops.

If he dies of 'natural' causes, then I guess the GOP argument that he'd still be in power if we didn't go to war is no longer valid...

[Zidane]

37. Looks like my prediction was right

Well, partly. I suspected he would accidentally fall down the stairs about 30 times.

There was NO question that this would happen. The bush regime could NOT risk him saying anything about his former pals.

They brought him out one time (censored too) just so it could LOOK like he was going to get a trial...

Then something convenient happened.

[pinniped]

38. That's one I hadn't thought of.

Trying to make his upcoming death look natural.

I figured he would be taken out in a fiery plane crash or by one of those roadside bombs.

Rudolph Hess "allegedly" hanged himself in prison so Sadaam may eventually walk that same path. Willingly or not.

[skypilot]

39. Wasn't there a report awhile back...

...that he had cancer? I'm sure I remember something like that.

[Zidane]

40. Considering how long

Iraq has been planned I wouldn't be surprised if previous stories about possible poor health were released months or years ago to make this more believable...

[sistersofmercy]

58. I read it in an international source around the beginning of the war n/t

[radfringe]

43. Next set of headlines:

-- Saddam is in poor health

-- Saddam not recovering from stroke

-- Saddam has 2nd stroke

and for October: -- Saddam dies

[Carni]

47. Oh geez WHAT A SURPRISE!

NOT!

You know either I am an excellent psychic or this is the most corrupt admin in the history of the US.

[Disturbed]

50. 25 tons of documents

I suspect Saddam will never stand trial personaly. He will either be declared unable to or be dead. He will be tried in abstentia and found guilty without a defense. Does that sound illogical?

I read that Chalabi snagged Saddam documents after he and his gang entered Bahgdad. Could those be what investigators were searching for at his house and office? What does this have to do with anything? Food for thought.

[Qutzupalotl]

48. In other words, if we didn't invade, Saddam would die of natural causes.

Uday and Qusay would kill each other trying to take the throne, then a popular uprising would usher in a democratic era in Iraq. The leaders of the uprising would be greeted with flowers and balloons.
:evilgrin:
A thousand American soldiers would be alive, and the national defecit would only be $300 billion. The Abu Ghraib scandal would never have happened. We might have a little respect internationally, too.

[Carni]

51. Speaking of "Saddam's boys" where are the DNA results?

Why is it that DNA was never announced confirmed on those two bodies?

I have looked over these many months and the announcement never came...anyone else notice this?

[Matilda]

61. Except that a popular uprising would probably issue in another dictator.

I have a feeling that's how it will all end anyway.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

[Freddie Stubbs]

75. Perhaps he would not have had a stroke if there had been on war

High blood pressure (140/90 mm Hg or higher) is the most important risk factor for stroke. Perhaps all of the stress caused by the war, hiding in a whole in the ground, and being imprisoned caused his bllod pressure to become high.

[Rex]

54. They are going to kill Saddam before he makes it to trial.

What I don't get is why they didn't just off him back in GW1?

[Octafish]

56. Bush tried. Oh how he tried.

The Bushes are war criminals of the first rank. Remember the photos of the "bunker-buster" bombing? Intended to kill Saddam and his "High Command," the thing hit, right on target, and exploded. Unfortunately, the facility wasn't used by Saddam. It was used by women and children as an air-raid shelter. The pictures from 13 years ago still haunt me.

[fla nocount]

59. Oh, Bullshit

This man had more doubles than Hitler. Even his wife exclaimed "this husk is not my husband..........do your own Google. Saddam did his job, he was loyal and obedient. He has been rewarded for his years in black ops...........turn off the friggin tube.........stop.........think....go back a few years past this evenings' Bill O'Really.

One the things that bother me most about DU is that so many follow the group think of the media rather than sniffing the air and surmizing that it stinks. Must be too much alphabet soup.......DNC,DLC,etc. Gives them gas, or maybe hot air......whatever, it's not oxygen and it's certainly not clear and informed thinking.

[Liberal_Dog]

60. I've Been Waiting For Something Like This

I have never thought that Saddam would make it to trial.

[leesa]

63. Will we ever know the truth about the Bush Crime Family?

[mdunionman]

65. Bush Murders a Sovereign Head of State

This is a War Crime. If Kerry loses, the UN may need to wrest control form Bush and his thugs. They have killed this man to silence him. He know about Bush and his oil deals. Save Saddam. We must get him to a real hospital, STAT!

[Odd Little Man]

68. Saddam had a stroke?

The problem we don't know yet if the story is true. Who do you trust to find out, a government official or a lawyer? Where's "Baghdad Bob" when you need the truth?

[Merlin]

69. Shades of Jack Ruby. n/t

.

[Rictexas]

72. Consider the Source

Remenber that this was published in a British tabloid. You may as well well rely on the National Enquirer, or Drudge, as your primary source of news.

[wickerwoman]

74. Hmmm....

Saddam in good health but unco-operative
February 11, 2004

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/10/1076388372817.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

(Saddam's docs deny that he has had cancer)

Saddam's day: gardening, reading and eating muffins
July 26, 2004

· First account of Iraqi despot's life in jail
·He is in good health but 'demoralised'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1269178,00.html