Democrat Koch Backs Bush

[Nambe]

Totaly Jewish

.. He also said he was “amazed” by George Bush’s loyalty towards Israel. He writes: “I am a Jew proud of my people’s history and accomplishments. Jewish leaders will concede that of all US presidents, Bush has been the most supportive and protective of the security of Israel.

"I am convinced that Bush will never trade Israel's special relationship with the US in exchange for political support, be it domestic or international. I doubt that John Kerry would have the same resolve. Democratics are limited in their ability to serve the country well in times of crisis.”

In a wide-ranging article that has seen the party faithful brand him a “turncoat”, Koch also urged democrats to follow the British Labour party’s example of rebranding itself to appeal to moderates.

He wrote: “As mayor I made it my mission to strengthen the party by moving it closer to the centre. I applauded the success of Tony Blair, who recreated the Labour party in Great Britain, calling it the ‘new’ Labour party. As a result, its majorities became enormous.” ..

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[bemildred]

1. Another DINO. nt

[BlueEyedSon]

2. A major league A-hole

to borrow a Bush-ism....

[schultzee]

47. I used to think that people who said Israel influenced a major part

of our foreign policy were wrong. I now think that they have too much influence in our government. Koch is a rePIGlican.

[Lerkfish]

70. I wonder how people would feel if you changed Isreal to Russia?

or any other country? why should the unwavering support of ANOTHER COUNTRY convince someone the president is A-OK? That seems to be a very odd reason to endorse a president.

well, we know Bush is loyal to the Saudis, and the Isrealis. When does he get around to be loyal to Americans?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. KKKoch would have sold himself to Hitler if it could have.....

saved his life.

:puke:

:puke:

...and

:puke:

[tom_paine]

4. Krotch is a fool.

n/t

[Julien Sorel]

5. In what alternate reality is Bush the center?

[TahitiNut]

6. Koch has obviously joined the Likud Party.

:shrug:

The party of the one-fingered salute ...

[Hawkeye-X]

7. Sorry I don't back Alzheimer-like nuttiness

and that's what Ed Koch is displaying.

[w4rma]

16. Or Mad Cow-like nuttiness (nt)

[0007]

53. ....or asian bird disease!

[MODemocrat]

48. Isn't he the one who used to be the judge on People's Court?

He always seemed so flaky to me, good thing he was replaced by Judge Judy. :thumbsdown:

[joefree1]

8. Of course Bush supports the state of Israel

Bush believes Israel is one of the signs of the coming apocalyspe when Jews and the rest of us will go to hell. :scared:


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[progressivebydesign]

12. Unfortunately the Jewish people haven't caught on to that, yet..

.. they don't seem to care that they are just bit players in Bush's endtimes drama. They're being used by the nutcase christians in Bush's inner circle. They are but a cog in the "Left Behind" series wheel.... used only in their fantastic fantasy that Jesus is coming back. I've read that the nutty christians who are pushing this end times stuff actually pour millions and millions into companies in Israel. They go out of their way to buy products made there, etc... all to support Israel, and hurt the Palestinians... and all so that the area will be "cleansed" of the non-Jewish, so that Jesus can come back. Does it seem to anyone else that the whole end times christian thing reaks of the middle ages?? I have never seen such supersticion in my life.

[a_random_joel]

40. Democrats have roughly 80% Jewish support.

You think we don't "get" it?

[progressivebydesign]

52. I always assumed that.. all of my Jewish friends have been Dems.

But it seems, perhaps it's being spun that way, that the Jewish vote is now solidly in Bush's corner. I hope you're right...

[sir_captain]

66. Of course he's right

Jews have always been the most solidly democratic and liberal demographic, and we will continue to be...

The idea that Jews cannot make up their minds for themselves just like anyone else, is frankly, deeply offensive to me. Pronouncements to this effect, by posters such as yourself and others, are deeply troubling to me.

[regnaD kciN]

69. Based on my own informal survey...

...of Jewish friends and family members, I can safely say that a whopping 0% are "now solidly in Bush's corner."

[sir_captain]

67. Pure bullshit

"Unfortunately the Jewish people haven't caught on to that, yet.."

That is complete and utter nonsense and is really wrongheaded comment. You really ought to watch yourself before you pigeonhole entire ethnic groups like that, particularly when you do it so incorrectly.

[joeybee12]

9. What a Flaming Queen!!!!!!!!! Hasn't he been outed by now?

What a major loser.

[tblue37]

18. I had read that he is gay,

which puts him in the same self-hating boat as those Log Cabin Republicans. How can any gay person not understand that the Republican Party is their enemy?

[David Zephyr]

27. Pretty Much Outed in "Normal Heart" by Larry Kramer

Great play from a great man.

[Jack Rabbit]

10. Another rat jumps on to a sinking ship

!!

[progressivebydesign]

11. He has never behaved like a Democrat before....

.. I was shocked to be reminded that he calls himself a Democrat. What an ass. I truly dislike people who show total and complete disregard for the people of THEIR OWN COUNTRY while trying to prop up some mythical state in the middle east. If he, and others like him, are willing to put the rest of their American citizens at risk by re-electing Bush, just to push Sharon's policies, then I suggest he and his pals move to Israel, because that's obviously all he cares about. They're too chicken to move there, they have the safety and security of living in the U.S., while promoting the death and destruction in Israel. I have absolutely no problem with people supporting what they consider thier "homeland", but if they value that place more than where they live now, and if they do and say things that hurt those here, then they need to go to their emotional homeland.

[kwolf68]

13. My ?

Why does ANYONE give a shit about what this guy thinks anymore?

[hadrons]

14. no-one listens to him anymore ....

except the media shills

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[Barret]

23. Unfortunately

Outside interests will ALWAYS control our interest.

So long as we are dependent on a 3rd party for any resource it will be that way. And considering just about all nations are dependent on another for one resource or another... most nations are influenced by another.

There is not necessarily anything wrong with that (as every nation has a right to ask for something in return for something, unless you conquer them like bush), unless they have you doing evil for them in return. Unfortunately it seems we are doing evil in return now.

[Voltaire99]

24. "The American people are going to wise up"

A very fine post indeed; it should be read by all DUers.

Still, I would not wait upon any great awakening. Nothing of the sort is going to happen. Primarily this is for two reasons, one of which you have given: "They have many allies too, in Congress, and in the media and corporate worlds. . .(culminating in) neocon control of the editorial and content processes."

It is no great trouble, history teaches us, to stop up a population's ears and blind its eyes. The Nazis and the Neo-Cons each demonstrated stunning propaganda successes at a 60-year remove, the latter ironically much indebted to the former for technique.

The second reason is the viral success of the new--for want of a better term--anti-anti-Semitism. The real and valid cause of fighting racism has given rise to the ersatz practice of labeling dissent (be it anti-Likudian or anti-colonial) as anti-Semitism. This is especially crippling to the timid remnants of liberalism, who tremble at the thought of becoming its target.

After all, there are glaring examples. Tellingly, in recent years, the member of Congress who most ardently opposed the ills you describe, former Georgia Democrat Cynthia McKinnon, was summarily destroyed by her own party establishment, Georgia media, and AIPAC for her heterodoxy. Dennis Kucinich, who is McKinnon's ideological cousin, appears to have learned from her example how to bite his tongue.

Slumbering peoples need alarm clocks, wake up calls. None will emerge in American society--not very loudly--for as long as both parties patrol popular culture, news, and wider political discourse, ready to screech at the least objection to conquest and pillage.

[MisterP]

33. wholehearted assent,

(but it's Cynthia McKinney)

[a_random_joel]

38. Newsflash: There are many constituencies vying for US action

in their home countries.

To say that Jews are the only ones is rather disingenuous.

[samsingh]

17. donald trump always thought koch was useless as mayor of nyc

here the donald knows best.

[Monte Carlo]

19. I marvel how intelligent people lose their minds when it comes to Israel.

I don't see why Israel, above and beyond ALL other nations, has this divine right to exist and have its ass kissed on a regular basis. How could Ed Koch support BUSH because of Israel!?

[Classical_Liberal]

21. He supported Reagan too, so who says he is intelligent.

.

[Stephanie]

20. Correction: FORMER Democrat Koch Backs Bush

He hasn't been a Democrat in years.

[DaveSZ]

22. He's not a Democrat

I wonder how much the corporate lobbyists are paying Zell and KKKotch?

[CBHagman]

25. He can keep Zell Miller company.

n/t

[Isere]

26. He should read The Jerusalem Post

At The Jerusalem Post there is an excellent article entitled "The Case Against George W. Bush.

"Bad for American security, bad for the Jews

Among a minority of lifelong Jewish Democrats, it comes out like a shameful confession: "I disagree with practically all of George W. Bush's policies, but because he's good for Israel and strong in the war on terror, I might actually vote for him."

Never mind that Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry has a perfect 20-year voting record on Israel. The "Bush impulse" is at its core an emotional urge. In the aftermath of 9/11, the ongoing Palestinian violence, and the War in Iraq, a minority of Jewish Democrats are convinced that President Bush has kept us, and has helped to keep Israel, out of harm's way.

The Bush impulse would be understandable were it based on the president's solid terror-fighting credentials. Close inspection, however, reveals that Bush has not only failed to protect us but has in fact jeopardized the national security of the United States and of Israel......"

Please read the entire article and send it to everyone you know who might be leaning to Bush out of misguided fear.

[David Zephyr]

28. Edwina Koch Announces He's Supporting Bush Just About Every Week.

There's no "news" here whatsoever.

[bobbyboucher]

29. Another Isreali.

If it came down to it, he would side for Isreal over the US, no doubt.

[a_random_joel]

39. That's a rather broad generalization, for starters.

Secondly, there are plenty of other nationalities that have or may hold their country of origin above the US.

[saracat]

41. They shouldn't if they are US citizens! If They do, that is treason.

They take a oath of loyalty to this country.

[a_random_joel]

45. Wrong. It is only treason if those interests run counter to US interests

In the case of Israel, or any other ally, for that matter... this is a totally subjective argument.

[saracat]

54. I agree, but he infers that if those interests did run counter to the US

he would side with Israel! That is contemptible and I don't care what country it is! He should move to Israel already and stop bothering us!JMHO, but while we still have free speech,he has the right to express himself, but so do I ,and I think he is and will always be a pig!

[a_random_joel]

56. Please point out where he says he would side with Israel if...

Israeli interests run counter to US interests.

[bobbyboucher]

62. Pshaw. Name a couple.

Kock isn't from Israel, is he? No, he's from Yonkers. (just kidding, I have no idea where he is from)

Why is it broad? Did I some how unintentionaly include all American Jews in that statement? No.

[robbedvoter]

51. Ooh, the misspelling or the feeling? Traitor Jews? heartwarming!

Pssst! An "Isreali" sunk the Titanic too - his name was Eisberg.

[bobbyboucher]

61. Here ya go, he's an Israeli.

Like we haven't stacked things in Israel's favor enough already, now we got washed up politicians going on television singing the praises of a lunatic and his lunatic policies primarily because why? Why is this man insisting upon backing a corporate whore, pollution enabler, defecit king, war-mongering murderer and most curious, a fundie freak? I'll tell you why, because he cares more about the fate of Israel than he does about the fate of the US.

What a fraud.

[sir_captain]

68. Part of a vast conspiracy, huh?

It never fails to shock me...

[CaptainClark23]

30. How'm I doin'?

Not so good, Ed...not so good.

[Shakespeare]

31. If you put the interests of Israel before those of you own country....

...then you are both misguided and despicable.

[nini]

35. EXACTLY what I was thinking

I thought his allegiance to what's right for this country should come first.

[Geo55]

32. “amazed” by George Bush’s loyalty towards Israel"

Fine , they can hold hands as the ME goes up in a nuke inferno.

Who the hell cares what a cranky old former NY mayor says....
off the stage Eddy , you've had way more than your 15 minutes.

[donkeyotay]

34. mixed loyalties

"I made it my mission to strengthen the party by moving it closer to the centre... " the ersatz democrat said.

No, Wilbur, it's folks like you who are destroying it. And by hijacking America to serve only the right-wing politics of Israel, you harm both America and liberal Israel. And both countries had liberal majorities before this madness started.

American politicians should represent America, and keep their religious beliefs to themselves.

[hatrack]

36. Wow, is he still alive? nt

;-)

[bluedog]

37. bush hypocrite

wonder if he knows bush changed his mind about Jews.since his college days when he was engaged to one.but didn't marry her


The governor, a Methodist, has upset Jewish leaders who questioned a statement he made five years ago.

The then-candidate for governor told a reporter that those who do not accept Jesus Christ cannot go to heaven.

Before a trip to Israel last year, he joked that he would tell Israeli Jews they were all "going to hell."

In a post-trip news conference, Bush declared he would let God decide who goes to heaven.

Those comments have fueled speculation that the Bush family broke up the 1967 engagement because the prospective bride had a Jewish background.

http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/1999-03-25/news3.html


from:The Woman George W. Bush Didn't Marry
The question is why
BY TIM FLECK
[e-mail]

[saracat]

42. Reminds me of Golan Cipel.

An Isreali who sold himself for a buck and to bring down a Democratic Governor. Maybe he thinks Isreal wants Bush too! I refuse to beleve most Isrealis want Bush. He is endangering them as well as the United States!

[geek tragedy]

43. Ed Koch is loyal to . . . Ed Koch.

He's a frigging egomaniac who figures he can get more attention by whoring to the Repubs.

I personally have no time for any American who puts either Israeli or Palestinian interests above American interests.

[Algorem]

44. funny Bush's sister is married to Dem. lobbyist Robert Koch,no relation I

guess

[leesa]

46. All the DINOs are having to expose themselves in order to keep their

Fuhrer's hopes alive. Most of our government works for Israel and not for the US. Sad day!

[SideshowScott]

49. Someone ask Kotch this: Who would Hitler Vote for?

Simple question. Who would Hitler, or an American Nazi vote for?
Bush a man who embraces far right wing values with a running mate who voted no for apartheid in south Anica and EVERY BIT of civil rights legislation that came under his attention.
The Bush administration who questions the patriotism of anyone who opposes him. Who leads us to war without merit who appoints people who wish for our rights to be lessened. Who embraces one group of people but could care less about anorther.
Does he really think that a Nazi would vote for Kerry? Does he? someone should pose that question to him. If he really thinks Bush cares about Jews hes a bigger dumbass than I thought he was. All Bush cares about is money and power.
Someone should tell Kotch to get his head out of his ass and see who hes really supporting. Jerk.

[robbedvoter]

50. LBN? Stated on Dec 13, 2000 - never wavered. "W's #1 fan"

How lomh are we supposed to be amazed about it? Koch, like Miller only stays dem to increase the damage. he actively supposted all GOP candidates locally for years now - Mayor, governor etc.
On his ANC talk show he advocated the sterilization of welfare women "just because Hitler did it doesn't make it wrong. Hitler also loved his mother - are we going to stop loving our mothers?

[CO Liberal]

55. Ed Koch Has Had Several Small Strokes In Recent Years

They have obviously affected his ability to reason.

[whosinpower]

57. WOW - he freely admits....

that the interests of Israel come before the interests of America. WHY IS THIS GUY STILL IN OFFICE AND PERHAPS SOMEONE SHOULD REMIND HIM WHAT COUNTRY HE LIVES IN!!!!!!!!


"I am convinced that Bush will never trade Israel's special relationship with the US in exchange for political support, be it domestic or international. I doubt that John Kerry would have the same resolve. Democratics are limited in their ability to serve the country well in times of crisis.”

[JoFerret]

58. What absurd reasoning

Bush left Israel swinging in the wind throughtout almost all of his so called administration. His disengagement in the peace process is complete. Ed - how are you doing? Terrible. Same as when you were mayor of NYC. Please stay in the closet while you are at it.

[foo_bar]

59. he 'endorsed' Reagan after this campaign

A lifelong bachelor, his sexuality became an issue in the 1977 mayoral primary against Mario Cuomo with the appearance of placards and posters (disavowed by the Cuomo campaign) with the slogan "Vote for Cuomo, not the homo".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Koch

[Moloch]

60. Israel Israel Israel Israel

If the "Israel First" crowd wants a president that is good to Israel, no matter how badly he has tried to ruin America, then they should all just fucking MOVE there... According to a recent poll, most American Jews aren't as stupid as Koch. Thankfully.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

63. Ed Koch

<Koch, 80, wrote: “The issue of international terrorism trumps all others. I don't believe the Democratic Party has the stomach and commitment to deliver on this issue.

"Terrorism will be with us for many years to come.".

<Koch, 80, wrote: “The issue of international terrorism trumps all others. I don't believe the Democratic Party has the stomach and commitment to deliver on this issue.>

So Ed would prefer a party which funded Islamic fundamentalists during the 1980s, who struck a deal with hostage takers in Iran during the Iran hostage crisis, whose leader and his family have exceedingly close ties with the Saudi Royal Family and the Bin Ladins and whose leadership pussyfooted around in the months leading up to 9/11



<"I am convinced that Bush will never trade Israel's special relationship with the US in exchange for political support, be it domestic or international.>

B*sh has totally disengaged himself from the Middle East peace process. Compare this to Clinton who moved the peace process forward to a point where the best interests of Israel’s long term future and security would benefit this. If Koch thinks for some reason that * total lack of interest in the peace process will have positive implications for Israel’s long term future, he’d better think again. The lack of a comprehensive peace process and engagement process over the previous three years has bridged the gap between Israel and the Palestinians even further and that can’t be good.

And I say this as a pro-Israeli poster –someone who has always considered Yasser Arafat to be the one most at fault over the previous three years and who loves and strongly supports the State of Israel. Even *’s father was sensible enough to recognize that a balanced and even-handed foreign policy approach in the Middle East was the best means of guaranteeing Israel’s long term future security


<I doubt that John Kerry would have the same resolve. Democratics are limited in their ability to serve the country well in times of crisis.”>

I agree-FDR and Harry Truman were such wimps when it came to leading America through its darkest days <sarcasm off>

Interestingly enough, Koch was one of those who slammed Rudy Guliani for throwing Arafat out of that concert when he was in New York during 1995.

[bobbyboucher]

64. 9/11 PTSD.

You still see it all the time.

[lowreed]

65. How is this "news"?