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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:33 AM
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Jobless claims rise sharply due to hurricane (362K)
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=38232.3548726852-819429277&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&

WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) - First-time claims for state unemployment benefits rose sharply in the latest week, the Labor Department reported Thursday. The number of initial claims in the week ending August 28 rose 19,000 to 362,000. It's the highest level since the week ended April 10.The consensus forecast of Wall Street economists was for claims to fall to 340,000. A Labor Department spokesman said a portion of the increase in claims was a result of Hurricane Charlie. The spokesman said the hurricane accounted for a "little less than half" the increase.

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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:34 AM
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1. So even WITHOUT the hurricane
it would have been a crappy week. Go figure. :eyes:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:36 AM
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2. They were ready to blame Charlie for every economic problem
this year before Charlie even formed. They'll pile even more on Frances.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:37 AM
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3. Granted, Frances might be far worse given its path
But yeah, they'll milk the damn thing for all it's worth. Uh, any port in a storm?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:43 AM
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4. The Frat Boy can't get along without phony alibis for the economy
I guess it was all Clinton's fault and then September 11 came along got a little stale. Now he has to blame Florida hurricanes.

Of course, hurricanes are an act of God. Is God trying to tell us something? Nah, can't be that. He appointed Bush President.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:46 AM
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5. More detail
Jobless claims jumped to 362,000 last week, above forecasts; productivity cut.

But Bloomberg headlined at 8 am this morning that Jobless Claims Probably Fell to 340,000, the Fourth Decline in Five Weeks-The number of Americans filing initial claims for unemployment benefits may have dropped last week to 340,000, a level consistent with enough job growth to sustain the economic expansion, economists forecast ahead of today's government report.

Guess they were wrong about jobs.

And the rate of productivity growth was the slowest since late 2002 with nonfarm output per worker hour growing at a 2.5 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter, down from the 2.9 percent pace initially reported last month and the slowest clip since the fourth quarter of 2002's 1.6 percent rate.

Indeed the 8 am guess for productivity was a 2.7 percent rate, down from the first qtr's 3.7 percent annual clip - but then we work more for less as hours worked rose at a 1.0 percent clip, up from 0.8 percent in the original estimate, and Unit labor costs were revised down in the report. Costs gained at a 1.8 percent pace, off slightly from the 1.9 percent rate seen in the initial report. First-quarter unit labor costs were revised sharply lower, to falling at 1.6 percent rate from rising at a 0.3 percent pace in the previous report.

In the week ending Aug. 21, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 343,000 and - surprise - for the week ending Aug. 21, the advance figure is also the final figure for that week!

http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm
September 2, 2004 UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE WEEKLY CLAIMS REPORT

SEASONALLY ADJUSTED DATA

In the week ending Aug. 28, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 362,000, an increase of 19,000 from the previous week's unrevised figure of 343,000. The 4-week moving average was 343,000, an increase of 6,250 from the previous week's unrevised average of 336,750.

The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.3 percent for the week ending Aug. 21, unchanged from the prior week's unrevised rate of 2.3 percent.

The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending Aug. 21 was 2,882,000, a decrease of 5,000 from the preceding week's revised level of 2,887,000. The 4-week moving average was 2,887,250, a decrease of 4,750 from the preceding week's revised average of 2,892,000.


UNADJUSTED DATA

The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 276,601 in the week ending Aug. 28, an increase of 3,805 from the previous week. There were 319,362 initial claims in the comparable week in 2003.

The advance unadjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.1 percent during the week ending Aug. 21, unchanged from the prior week. The advance unadjusted number for persons claiming UI benefits in state programs totaled 2,631,147, a decrease of 70,724 from the preceding week. A year earlier, the rate was 2.6 percent and the volume was 3,252,130.




Extended benefits were not available in any state during the week ending Aug. 14.

3,180 individuals filed continued claims under the Federal Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation (TEUC) program during the week ending Aug. 14.

Initial claims for UI benefits by former Federal civilian employees totaled 1,161 in the week ending Aug. 21, a decrease of 511 from the prior week. There were 2,156 initial claims by newly discharged veterans, a decrease of 12 from the preceding week.

There were 17,507 former Federal civilian employees claiming UI benefits for the week ending Aug. 14, a decrease of 1,018 from the previous week. Newly discharged veterans claiming benefits totaled 26,777, an increase of 6 from the prior week.

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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:53 AM
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6. Hurricane makes jobs
Here in Florida many otherwise unemployed workers have been busy in the cleanup and reconstruction effort. Add to them the number who could not get to the unemployment office because it was closed or damaged and you find that the true unemployment rate went up even more.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:16 AM
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8. Good point.
Also shouldn't hurricane season, which we are now in, be part of the seasonally adjusted data? The 362,000 reported claims is adjusted data.

SEASONALLY ADJUSTED DATA

In the week ending Aug. 28, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 362,000, an increase of 19,000 from the previous week's unrevised figure of 343,000. The 4-week moving average was 343,000, an increase of 6,250 from the previous week's unrevised average of 336,750.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:40 AM
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10. Exactly. War and natural disasters create jobs.
Far more jobs were created in Florida than were lost due to the hurricane. Most major employers have "business interruption insurance" and do not terminate or lay off employees for short interruptions in operations. Indeed, the needs of the business increase - in order to recover normal operations. These "statistics" are a specious reflection of the most temporary and superficial jobs - in the retail and service sector at the most "commoditized" levels.

Whenever I hear the Bushbots claim that war has caused unemployment my blood pressure rises as I scream at the tube and tell 'em to look at WW2 (the right wing slammed FDR and claimed the New Deal had little or nothing to do with economic recovery - that it was due to WW2), Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf War I (which some believed was timed to counter the Bush41 recession).

War, natural disasters (hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes), and 9-11 itself increase spending (and the GDP) and PROFITS -- and cause a rise in temporary employment. Every one of these events cause a bolus in the shift of wealth from the lower-98 to the upper-2.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:12 AM
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7. Bush declares "four-fecta", demands another tax cut for rich
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:30 AM
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9. Don't forget that the leaders of the republican party pray for hurricanes
to hit Florida and destroy that nasty Disney World. Praying for destruction is very republican.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:48 AM
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11. Well if it's not one thing it's another. Wars, stock market crashes, ...
terrorist attacks, corporate scandals, techno bubbles bursting, hurricanes. As soon as all these "setbacks" go away we'll go back to peace and prosperity.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:20 AM
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12. What BS, analysis were expecting a decrease
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 09:22 AM by joefree1
>>Initial unemployment claims rose for a second week in a row, climbing by 19,000 to 362,000.

That marked the highest level since the week of April 10.

The four-week average, which smoothes out weekly fluctuations, increased by more than 6,000 to 343,000.

Wall Street had expected a small decline in claims.<<
http://www.wtov9.com/money/3700952/detail.html

Sorry George, start packing.


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:24 AM
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13. so it can't be dumbfaces* crappy economy....
it has to be because of the weather. They have no shame.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:41 AM
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17. The weather also made him fall of his bicycle. n/t
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:25 AM
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14. Saying that Hurricanes create jobs like saying auto crashes
raise the GDP.

Only if you are growing free energy does this work.

No more free energy, no more creating jobs from
disasters.

That's what "peakoil" is all about.

To put it into perspective, Fla is about to lose the
equivalent of two fully equipped Ronald Reagan
aircraft carriers. So, unless FL brings those in, and FL
has to bring everything in, you will see ongoing
recession in FL.

And wouldn't it be nice to have the Fla Nat'l Guard
in Florida right now?

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:09 AM
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15. Hurricane George.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:31 AM
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16. Lying POSs - I don't believe a net 8000 jobs were lost to the hurricane.
How many came off the unemployment rolls because of clean-up and reconstruction work financed by insurance payouts and federal emergency assistance dollars? If someone loses their job as a result of the hurricane but take a job in reconstruction they can't file an unemployment claim can they? Also, how soon can one apply for unemployment after your job is lost? Is it right away?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:41 AM
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18. don't worry about it
the economy is turning the corner, we're headed in the right direction. LOL
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:56 AM
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19. So many new girlie-men to mock, so little time....
thanks Ahnold, for giving us a whole new way of looking at the unemployed.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:19 AM
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20. Live in FL, lost my job last week...
Immediately filed for UI online last Friday. Nothing to do with weather.
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