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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 12:17 PM
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Schroeder's Party Routed in German Vote
The Associated Press


German voters handed Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder a stinging defeat in elections Sunday in the small western state of Saarland, reflecting public anger over his drive to cut into the country's cherished network of social programs.

Schroeder's Social Democrats slumped to about 30 percent of the vote for the state legislature from 44.4 percent in the last election in 1999, according to projections by both German public television channels based on exit polls. ..

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 12:50 PM
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1. Christian Democratic Party?
Seperation of Church and State anyone?
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:19 PM
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2. It's just a name
They're the German conservative party. Nothing really Christian about them other than the name. You don't really have fundamentalist Christians in Germany anyway. They're pretty conservative, but I think that their opposition to Schröder's reforms are more political than ideological.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:45 PM
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3. Maybe in this day and age
but it certainly was much more Christian (read: Catholic) in the past...
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:09 PM
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12. German Catholic?
Wait a minute! Don't you know that Martin Luther was from Germany. Where do you think Protestantism started? How did you get Lutheranism? A place to start reading about Germany and Luther and the Reformation:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cities.htm

Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.

Found the above earlier elsewhere on DU.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:09 PM
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4. Not all countries follow that as a bedrock constitutional principle
In fact, you only have the Baptists (believe it or not) to thank for our recognition of it today.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:59 PM
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9. I'd Rather Not Thank Them
Really.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:17 PM
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5. I heard that this is the smallest German state and it's very conservative.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 02:18 PM by AP
Not exactly the canary in the coalmine that should get people hyper-nervous.

A warning sign, perhaps. But probably not a sign of imminent disaster.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:43 PM
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6. very conservative?
Smallest?
It is neither. Bremen is smaller. The Saarland had Social Democratic PMs from 1980 to 1999.

This election result had several reasons:
-voters unhappy with Federal Government
-Former SPD candidate for Federal Chancellor, Lafontaine, campaigning against his own party
-low turnout (just 55%)
-weak SPD candidate
-greens siphoning up SPD votes
...

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:48 PM
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7. That's what BBC reported "one of the smallest and traditionally very...
...conservative."
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:50 PM
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8. well
The small part is true, the conservative not. The Saarland has just three seats in the Bundesrat upper house - so calling it "one of the smallest" is certainly correct.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:17 PM
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10. Hi Kellanved!!!
Es hat aal immer vigger jon! :hi:
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:14 PM
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11. Saarland is like our Ohio Valley..heavy industry, mining, car factorys....
Think Steubenville or Pittsrburgh....with a bit of Detroit thrown in (Ford has a big assembly plant in the town of Saarlouis).

This used to be a solid union/social democratic state.
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