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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 02:19 PM
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Mugabe Says Bush and Blair Think They're God
Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:51 p.m. ET

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe accused President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Wednesday of acting like God in riding roughshod over international law in Iraq and elsewhere.

"We are now being coerced to accept and believe that a new political-cum-religious doctrine has arisen, namely that 'There is but one political god, George W. Bush, and Tony Blair is his prophet'," the veteran African leader told the U.N. General Assembly.


"Iraq today has become a vast inferno created by blatant and completely illegal and defiant acts of aggression by the United States, Britain and their allies," he said.

In a defiant speech, Mugabe, who is subject to sanctions by the European Union and the United States for his human rights record, accused the West of manipulating international aid to punish governments such as his.

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=925228&tw=wn_wire_story
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 02:40 PM
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1. Well, Mugabe is an obnoxious asshole himself...
... so I don't know that his comments carry much weight.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 05:09 PM
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5. careful, there are several Mugabe fans here...
I'm surprised you haven't been flamed yet :P
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 08:36 PM
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10. Fans? Of Mugabe? LOL!!
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:26 PM
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11. yeah... it is hard to believe but it's true!!! n/t
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:05 PM
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2. To paraphrase J Carrol Naish ("Giuseppe") from "Sahara..."
Perhaps Bush is "God" and Blair is merely his prophet...


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 05:14 PM
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7. We do know that cheney is no angel!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:04 PM
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3. WOW!!! Mugabe said this in a speech to the UN General Assembly!!!

'There is but one political god, George W. Bush, and Tony Blair is his prophet'," the veteran African leader told the U.N. General Assembly.

Has any other country's leader made such a public pronouncement about Bush*?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:51 PM
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4. You're right.
That was pretty gutsy of Mugabe. When it comes to telling the truth, I don't care who says it. And if it's in the forum of the U.N., so much the better.

Everyone should be shouting the same thing from the rooftops. Bush is deranged, and Blair is equally deranged for being his poodle.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:29 PM
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9. Mugabe has nothing to lose by saying this
Bush has cut off aid to Mugabe's country and has slapped them with many trade sanctions.

Zimbabwe is being crushed under by both Mugabe and the US. The same way Iraq was for the last fifteen years before our invasion.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:17 AM
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12. Mugabe runs two risks that I can see
Mugabe was cheered when he said this:


While the sadistic scenes from Abu Ghraib remain vivid in our minds, other places in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay have provided useful samples of the Western concept of respect for human rights. Let me say once again that the West should spare us their lessons on human rights. They do not have the moral authority to speak about, let alone, parade themselves, as torch-bearers of human rights.

http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/59/statements/zimeng040922.pdf


The first risk it that Mugabe will polarize public opinion in the West against him. Even though Blair's government seeks to remove him from power, and the US is going along, there's no popular mandate for taking action in Zimbabwe, at least among the US public. The safe course for Mugabe would be to let people remain indifferent. By ratcheting up the rhetoric, landing a few jabs while portraying himself as the West's punching bag, he may indeed end up becoming the West's punching bag. The excellencies who cheered Mugabe's defiance may be of the sort who are inclined to cheer any leader who dares stand up against the West, but are not inclined to intervene should it come to blows, especially not in the defense of a petty tyrant.

The second risk Mugabe took, which wasn't quite reported in the story, is that he lent legitimacy to the African Union mission in Sudan, which is essentially a case where the organization is putting human rights above the interests of national sovereignty (although Sudan is of course a member of the AU and therefore has chosen to abide by its rules). Does this contradict Mugabe's spirited critique of the UN's shift towards protecting universal human rights and redefining the limits of sovereignty? Fundamentally I think it does Be that as it may, if Mugabe wants to submit to a specifically African regime of international human rights, then he risks inviting an AU intervention in Zimbabwe's affairs. So far the AU has handled Zimbabwe with kid gloves. If Mugabe proves to be terribly wrong about his government's ability to feed people, of if he continues down the road of draconian intollerance, he could well find himself at the top of the AU's agenda with more powerful African nations pressuring him to step down.

Why is he running such a risk? Perhaps he is calculating that if he can present himself as a popular voice of African nationalism (and anti-Americanism) he can undermine the legitimacy of any moves against him within the AU. That's not intended to disarm directly the major powers like Nigeria or South Africa, but it could win him allies among weaker states, and those alliances could be enough to ward off any intervention.

That's my two cents.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 05:13 PM
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6. Usually can't stand Mugabe
Edited on Wed Sep-22-04 05:13 PM by fedsron2us
but on this point at least he is right.
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 05:22 PM
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8. "Mugabe Says Bush and Blair Think They're God" and Mr.
Mugabe hates competitors........
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:37 AM
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13. Poodle is His Prophet?
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