Clinton was right? Serbs admit scale of 1995 Massacre

[ladybugg33]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8CC1DFAC-3F9D-4F23-A440-AD9E5CF10FB7.htm

Is it any wonder why Muslims feel like the west is undertaking another "crusade?"

[The Magistrate]

1. President Clinton Was Right In That Matter, Ma'am

What NATO forces did, albeit belatedly, under Gen. Clark, is the very model of what military force ought to be used for.

[w4rma]

2. Yes, I am in full agreement. The Serb crisis was handled nearly perfectly

by President Clinton, Vice President Gore and General Clark.

The more I research it, the more inginuity I see in what they did and how everything came together exactly as planned.

[aquart]

3. Was this in doubt?

It was practically on television. Wasn't the UN forced to stand by and watch while the Serbs carried away busloads of Muslim men to be murdered?

Didn't one group of UN soldiers throw their berets on the ground at the airport, they were so disgusted?

[Aidoneus]

5. Right about what?

Bosnia or Kosova?--Two very different matters.

[The Magistrate]

11. In My VIew, Sir

Intervention ought to have commenced much earlier than it did. It would have been appropriate in the earliest stages of the Croatian fighting. It certainly ought to have been done in force during the Bosnian period. It does not seem to me that the political will existed in Europe at that time to support such action, however, and there is some question whether or not it could have been roused. It was the commencement of a new campaign of displacement and murder by Butcher Slobo, after the Bosnian business had been papered over, that finally roused the European governments to a state wherein they were prepared to take action. While it is never better to be late to act, it remains better to be late than never to act at all.

[bpilgrim]

13. when will our invention begin?

i wonder...

The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia

In 1999, the U.S. national security state -- which has been involved throughout the world in subversion, sabotage, terrorism, torture, drug trafficking, and death squads -- launched round-the-clock aerial attacks against Yugoslavia for 78 days, dropping 20,000 tons of bombs and killing thousands of women, children, and men. All this was done out of humanitarian concern for Albanians in Kosovo. Or so we were asked to believe. In the span of a few months, President Clinton bombed four countries: Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq repeatedly, and Yugoslavia massively. At the same time, the U.S. was involved in proxy wars in Angola, Mexico (Chiapas), Colombia, East Timor, and various other places. And U.S. forces are deployed on every continent and ocean, with some 300 major overseas support bases -- all in the name of peace, democracy, national security, and humanitarianism.

While showing themselves ready and willing to bomb Yugoslavia on behalf of an ostensibly oppressed minority in Kosovo, U.S. leaders have made no moves against the Czech Republic for its mistreatment of the Romany people (gypsies), or Britain for oppressing the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, or the Hutu for the mass murder of a half million Tutsi in Rwanda -- not to mention the French who were complicit in that massacre. Nor have U.S. leaders considered launching "humanitarian bombings" against the Turkish people for what their leaders have done to the Kurds, or the Indonesian people because their generals killed over 200,000 East Timorese and were continuing such slaughter through the summer of 1999, or the Guatemalans for the Guatemalan military's systematic extermination of tens of thousands of Mayan villagers. In such cases, U.S. leaders not only tolerated such atrocities but were actively complicit with the perpetrators -- who usually happened to be faithful client-state allies dedicated to helping Washington make the world safe for the Fortune 500.

Why then did U.S. leaders wage an unrestrainedly murderous assault upon Yugoslavia?

more...
http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html

these foreign 'interventions' have more to do with our national security interest than ant humanitarian interest.

:hi:

peace

[The Magistrate]

15. It Is Possible, My Friend

For a single act to achieve multiple ends, and possible to be in the happy state of "Doing well by doing good." Merely because some profit can be seen does not mean a good thing was not done.

To my mind the most fundamental reason for quashing the Balkan disturbances was the simple maintainance of order, and scotching an instability that had real prospect of spiralling into a larger and larger maelstrom. There were easily half a dozen wars waiting to happen in that region, and the longer major and murderous fighting continued, the likelier the train would ignite the charge. In such a situation, the immemorial method is to single out the most powerful perpetrator and crush him into slime as an example to the rest. That, albeit belatedly, was done, and the situation is better for it, though of course still far from ideal.

"The Balkans produce more history than can be consumed locally, and so are compelled to export the excess."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[bpilgrim]

16. does that explain our behavior abroad?

The US produce more history than can be consumed locally, and so are compelled to export the excess.

probably, but what is the MOTIVATION?

i call it what it is IMPERIALISM. and i don't see any good coming from it.

i am FRIGHTENED by the implications of our behavior of the past 60 years and it's current radical right-wing policies being JUSTIFIED by all our 'past' actions like 'humanitarian intervention'.

i think it is NOT in our interest to endorse these excess.

good to see you, sir. :hi:

p.s. it is painful to imagine what the future holds in store if these thugs get back in power and makes these final weeks especially hard for me to bear and not lash out at those around me who see things exceedingly differently. i hope i haven't offend as i always appreciate your thoughts. :toast:

peace

[The Magistrate]

17. It Is Always A Pleasure, My Pilgrim

Our differences are often much less than meets the eye.

It seems to me an unfortunate fact of history that Imperialism is a natural phenomenon, quite independent of ideology. All governments seek to expand their authority, and will do so to the practical limits of their capability to do so. Their motive is always self-aggrandizement, and the consequences for others generally bad; that is, in fact, one of the things that defines the practical limits of their abilities to expand. On occassion, however, some good, sometimes quite unintended, does come from the process. One intended good that often arises is the simple maintainance of order, which is a state people generally prefer, and which all governments are generally united in believing is a good thing. Large powers tend to quash the squabbles of small powers, which can upset their racket, so to speak, and this is often to the good of the populations of those smaller powers. One unintended good that has arisen from the practice in the modern era is the modernization of technical and political life in many areas that came under Western domination in the period. The social revolution in China, and the democratization of India, for example, would not have happened without the Imperialist adventures of past centuries.

[bpilgrim]

18. likewise, bro

though i do take issue when we use bombs to obtain peace or 'order'

"One unintended good that has arisen from the practice in the modern era is the modernization of technical and political life in many areas..."

as i look back i see many terrible consequences of our tech and poli modernization of the past century that if the trend continues will spell doom for us all and i always reminded lately of the cliche 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions'

i don't know what this means in terms of justifying our use of them, but i certainly would agree that it is always good for the people when the bombs stop falling.

:hi:

peace

[The Magistrate]

19. The Consequences Are Mixed, My Friend

And the benefits may prove insustainable.

But in basic measures like life expectancy, average caloric intake, and such, it is hard to sustain the argument that the present condition of places like China and India is not tremendously improved over that of two centuries ago, or even at the start of the last century. This seems to me a good thing, and one hard to seperate, as said above, from the impact of Western Imperialism.

[bpilgrim]

20. certainly

but not all attributable to our aggressive, hostile actions and i think is a tad conceited to attribute those to our imperial behavior and sounds reminiscent of a long gone but ever popular with the imperialist to this very day... a fine cicero piece to serve as balm for our savage souls.

please don't take my words as a dissent against technology or progress in any area. i just don't equate progress with imperialism but view it as an old curse from before the dark ages that continues to haunt us to this very day and we would all be wise to carry on our recent fore fathers and mothers couragous tradition of strong dissent and struggle AGAINST it so we don't give up the our hard won, and VERY modern concept of liberty.

peace

[The Magistrate]

21. Indeed, My Friend

Those things particularly were unintended things, and in large part, particularly in China, are owing to the reaction against the Imperialist intrusion; they nontheless, in the broadest view, remain consequences of it, that would probably not have occured without it.

[reorg]

24. well, the intervention had commenced much earlier indeed ...

as Professor Wiebes from the Netherlands has conclusively proven.

>> ... His findings are set out in "Intelligence and the war in Bosnia, 1992-1995". It includes remarkable material on covert operations, signals interception, human agents and double-crossing by dozens of agencies in one of dirtiest wars of the new world disorder. Now we have the full story of the secret alliance between the Pentagon and radical Islamist groups from the Middle East designed to assist the Bosnian Muslims - some of the same groups that the Pentagon is now fighting in "the war against terrorism". ...

Rather than the CIA, the Pentagon's own secret service was the hidden force behind these operations. The UN protection force, UNPROFOR, was dependent on its troop-contributing nations for intelligence, and above all on the sophisticated monitoring capabilities of the US to police the arms embargo. This gave the Pentagon the ability to manipulate the embargo at will: ensuring that American Awacs aircraft covered crucial areas and were able to turn a blind eye to the frequent nightime comings and goings at Tuzla.

Weapons flown in during the spring of 1995 were to turn up only a fortnight later in the besieged and demilitarised enclave at Srebrenica. When these shipments were noticed, Americans pressured UNPROFOR to rewrite reports, and when Norwegian officials protested about the flights, they were reportedly threatened into silence. ...

<<

http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,2763,688327,00.html


The "mujahedin" that were flown into Bosnia and supplied with weapons were connected to Osama bin Laden, who was seen and interviewed in Bosnia (by a reporter of the German weekly Der Spiegel). Many of those mujahedin still live in Bosnia, and, interestingly, some members of the "Hamburg cell" who allegedly organised and perpetrated the attack on 9/11, had also been active there.

Other "mujahedin" later served as officers in the KLA and Macedonia, in co-operation and trained by the Virginia-based "private" military company MPRI. This was again confirmed before the ICTY just a few days ago (October 12) by the German journalist Franz-Josef Hutsch, who had the opportunity to very closely observe this from 98 on, being quasi "embedded" with the KLA for several years.

http://hague.bard.edu/video.html

[The Magistrate]

30. As A Point Of Curiousity, Dear

What is your difficulty with assistance being given a population under threat of massacre by hostile armed forces? The only problem evident to me in any of this was that such assistance was not given sufficiently early, and on sufficient scale, to have disuaded or disrupted the action of the murderers.

The idea that Bosnia was some hot-bed of Islamic radicalism prior to the commencement of war against that population by Butcher Slobo and his puppets is nonsense. Similarly, the roots of the K.L.A. had nothing to do with Islamic fundamentalism, but rather were firmly set in left and nationalist convictions.

"I'm going home. Someone get me some frogs and some bourbon."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[reorg]

32. trying to help you out here:

The contention is not that "Islamic radicalism" was rampant in either Bosnia or Kosovo. Although nice pictures of Arab mercenaries in funny garb parading before Izetbegovic are readily available on the Web.

No, these mercenaries were being well paid, trained and in the service of an American firm, MPRI, who were directing the slaughter. US$ 5000 up front and a monthly salary of US$ 1500 is not bad for some sad dogs from Algeria, Morocco, or Saudi Arabia.

They were trained in Turkey, as Mr. Hutsch has testified, and then transferred to leading positions in the KLA brigades, where they later assisted NATO bombers in finding their targets.

Likewise, the KLA commander Agim Ceku had been trained by this firm, MPRI, and after having directed the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, was transferred to the newly reorganised KLA -- shortly after Holbrooke had visited with them in the summer of 98.

That some of these mercenaries were connected to bin Laden is merely a side issue here. It points, in my very humble opinion, to the fact that his mercenary operation was -- at least at that time -- still in contact with those American handlers who were instrumental in its formation in the first place.

--------------
Quotes:

>> ...
KLA Commander Agim Ceku was appointed Chief of Staff of Kosovo's new KPC. In the words of Bernard Kouchner during the inauguration ceremony: "I look to him to lead the new members of the Corps in the footsteps of Cincinnatus, the model citizen-soldier of ancient Rome -- who left his plow standing in the field to answer the call to arms & and at the end of the war refused all honors in order to return to his civic duties."4

Who is Commander Ceku?

Barely a few weeks later, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) announced that it was "investigating Ceku for alleged war crimes committed against ethnic Serbs in Croatia between 1993 and 1995." 5

That he was being investigated was known to military and intelligence analysts well in advance of Ceku's appointment. The information was withheld from broad public view by former ICTY Prosecutor Louise Arbour. But the information was publicly available, though only in limited circles. For instance, Jane Defence Weekly reported that Ceku had: "masterminded the successful HV offensive at Medak and in 1995 was one of the key planners of the successful Operation 'Storm'." (Jane 10 May 1999) Operation Storm led to the massacre of many ethnic Serbs and the eviction of more than 200,000.

... <<

http://uuhome.de/global/english/WTO8.html


>> ... Die Offiziere arabischer Abstammung seien von der MPRI rekrutiert worden, "haben eine große Summe Geld erhalten und wurden in der Türkei ausgebildet". Bereits 1998 seien zwischen 80 und 120 Mudschahedin im Kosovo stationiert gewesen, sagte Hutsch. Bis zum Sommer 1998 habe es sich bei der UCK um eine "spontane Bewegung" gehandelt, die "weniger terroristische Angriffe" durchgeführt habe. "Nach dem Besuch von (US-Balkan-Chefunterhändler Richard) Holbrooke im Sommer 1998 kam es zur Reorganisierung der UCK und auf mysteriöse Weise erschien Agim Ceku". Ceku war UCK-Führer und ist heute Kommandant des Kosovo-Schutzkorps. ... <<

http://kurier.at/ausland/765161.php

[Gyre]

34. I couldn't agree more.

Clinton's diplomatic oozing around the edges of the atrocity were occuring long before we actually got involved militarily. During that time we were well aware that genocide and mass-rape were occuring. For that delay my impressions of the Clintons went negative, and it remains that way. However, all that being said, I was certainly proud that we did engage the Serbs when we did. I also thought that that was an exemplary use of military power.

Gyre

[RivetJoint]

12. NATO was not under General Clark

during the "war" in Bosnia. Joulwon was SACEUR then, not Clark.

[ladybugg33]

23. And please remember that this mess was handed to Clinton by Bush Sr.

Bush failed to act and mainly because it would have meant going after "Christians" who were killing Muslims. (the race/religion thingee)

[calimary]

29. Wouldn't be the first time, either.

Actually, I don't even like the word "right" anymore, for its horribly WRONG connotation. He was correct. We went from pretty much the top of Everest in terms of good judgment to the bottom of the Marianas trench. In just one presidential switcheroo.

What a difference a bush makes!

[pdurod1]

4. I watched drowned bodies of men

being pulled out of wells by UN (German) troups smiling, trying to mask the horror and embarrassment that they were uncovering. All was caught on camera. Earlier, a grenade or two was tossed down the well to make sure everyone was dead --or was dying.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. Links please?

[madrchsod]

6. remember bush`s daddy could have stopped this

but he had saddam to deal with..clinton had to clean up the mess bush refused to anything about-it wasn`t our problem....

[KittyWampus]

22. Kick

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Check this and see if it helps make sense out of what happened.....

http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=799823842

>>However, NATO's attacks have been aimed against civilian targets since literally the first night of the bombing, when a tractor factory in the Belgrade suburb of Rakovica was destroyed by cruise missiles.(16) Since then NATO targets have included roads, railroad tracks and bridges hundreds of miles from Kosovo, power plants, factories of many kinds, food processing and sugar processing plants, water pumping stations, cigarette factories, central heating plants for civilian apartment blocks, television studios, post offices, non-military government administrative buildings, ski resorts, government official residences, oil refineries, civilian airports, gas stations, and chemical plants. NATO's strategy is not to attack Yugoslavia's army directly, but rather to destroy Yugoslavia itself, in order to weaken the army.<<

[RivetJoint]

8. This was Kosovo

Not Bosnia. Big difference between the two in the "correctness" for going to "war."

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. I was wondering about that... thanks for the heads up...... I will have to

do some deeper reading on all of this...

[The Magistrate]

10. Tractor Factories Repair Tanks, SIr

The attempt of the genocidal regime of Butcher Slobo to present itself to the niave pacifist and gullible consumer of conspiricism as the victim of crimes is one of the more laughable propaganda exercises of recent years.

[reorg]

25. you really should volunteer as a witness before the ICTY

- they are desperately in search for proof of any "butchering" done by Mr. Milosevic. They are so desperate that they have taken to measures even the Apartheid regime did not take against Nelson Mandela.

>> ... Canada's former ambassador to Yugoslavia, James Bissett, summed up the feelings of the vast majority of Milosevic's would-be witnesses when he wrote in a letter to the tribunal that "I do not want to be part of this travesty of justice." According to Bissett the trial has "taken on all the characteristics of a Stalinist show trial."

Bissett hits the nail on the head for the vast majority of witnesses. Nobody, who is a person of integrity, wants to go down in history as having been a part of such a blatant miscarriage of justice as this so-called "trial" is turning out to be.

Because of the tribunal's decision to deny Milosevic the fundamental right to present his defense, crucial witnesses can not, in good conscious, take part in the proceedings.

The former Montenegrin president Momir Bulatovic, historians Slavenko Terzic and Vasilije Krestic, writer Momo Kapor, ex-Croatian Serb leader Borislav Mikelic, Russian parliamentarian Nikolai Ryzhkov, the former U.S. State Department Yugoslavia section chief George Kenney, and the above mentioned Canadian ambassador James Bissett, are just a few of the 265 witnesses who have so-far announced their refusal to testify. <<

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg092104.htm


George Kenney wrote:

>>
September 8, 2004
Washington DC

Mr. Milosevic,

After due consideration I had agreed willingly to be one of your defense witnesses at the ICTY. I believed then and still believe that you are innocent of all the charges in the Tribunal’s indictments. Given, however, that the Tribunal has seen fit to take away your fundamental right to represent yourself in your own defense the proceedings have become inherently unfair, amounting to no more than a political show trial with no authentic legal legitimacy. Your defense, the defense for which I had consulted with you in The Hague, does not now exist.
Consequently I cannot in good conscience act as a “defense witness” under the Tribunal’s current rules. Should the Tribunal reverse itself and allow you to conduct your own defense once more then I would again
willingly agree to be your witness.

Sincerely,
George Kenney

<<

http://blog.zmag.org/index.php/weblog/entry/show_trial3/



More from "butcher" apologists:

>>

... We the undersigned, jurists, law professors, and international criminal lawyers, hereby declare our alarm and concern that the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) is preparing the imposition of counsel upon an unwilling accused, Slobodan Milosevic.

This apparently punitive measure is contrary to international law, incompatible with the adversarial system of criminal justice adopted by the Security Council in Resolution 808, and ignores the court's obligation to provide adequate medical care and provisional release to the defendant. The ICTY, instead of taking appropriate measures to alleviate Slobodan Milosevic's long-standing medical problems, has compounded them. The ICTY has ignored repeated requests for provisional release, to which everyone presumed innocent is entitled, has imposed unrealistically short preparation periods on the defence, and has permitted the introduction of an inordinate quantity of Prosecution evidence, much of which was bereft of probative value, thereby increasing Mr. Milosevic's level of stress, the principal trigger of his illness. Chamber III has been informed of this by their chosen cardiologist. The defendant has been denied examination by his own physician, a further violation of his rights.

Now, having brought about the very degradation of President Milosevic's health of which it had been warned, the ICTY seeks to impose counsel upon him over his objections, rather than granting him provisional release in order to receive adequate and proper medical care, a reasonable measure reflected in domestic and international law and practice. The envisaged imposition of counsel constitutes an egregious violation of internationally recognized judicial rights, and will serve only to aggravate Mr Milosevic's life-threatening illness and further discredit these proceedings.

...

The ICTY and Security Council will be held responsible for the tragically predictable consequences of their actions.

July 29, 2004

Signed:

Tiphaine Dickson, Lawyer, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Christopher Black, Lawyer, Toronto, Canada

Professor Oliver Antic, University of Belgrade, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Milena Arezina, Lawyer (Former President, Commercial Court), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Smilja Avramov (Former President, International Law Association), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Sergei Baburin, Doctor of Law, Professor, (Vice-President, State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation), Moscow, Russian Federation

Dragoslava Backovic, Legal Representative, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Paolo Bargiacchi, Law of the European Union, University of Palermo, Italy

Nicole Bergevin, Lawyer, Montreal, Quebec

Professor Aldo Bernardini, International Law, University of Teramo, Italy

Gen. Dr Nikolai Bezborodov, (Deputy President, Commission for Defense of the State Duma), Moscow, Russian Federation

Pierre de Boucherville, Lawyer, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Professor Erich Buchholz, Lawyer, Berlin, Germany

Dr Milan Bulajic, International Law, (President, Fund for Genocide Research), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Raffaele Cadin, University Researcher, University "La Sapienza", Rome, Italy

Professor Kosta Cavoski, University of Belgrade, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Panayotis G. Charitos, LLD, International Law, Supreme Court Attorney, Greece

May Chiu, Lawyer, Montreal, Canada

Professor Gian Luigi Cecchini, International Law, University of Trieste, Italy

Ramsey Clark, Former US Attorney General, New York, USA

Professor Ivan Cukalovic, International Law, University of Kragujevac, Serbia and Montenegro

Goran Cvetic, Lawyer, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Trendafil Danailov, Lawyer, (Former President, Sofia District Court), Sofia, Bulgaria

Jean-Marie Dermagne, Lawyer, Rochefort-Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium

Professor Stevan Djordjevic, International Law, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Bjørn Elmquist, Lawyer, (Former MP), Copenhagen, Denmark

Professor Peter Erlinder, (past-President, National Lawyers Guild, NYC), William Mitchell College of Law, St. Paul, MN, USA

Armin Fiand, Lawyer, Hamburg, Germany

Jeff Frazier, Lawyer, Houston, Texas, USA

Dr Mikhail Fomichenko, (Head, Center for Human Rights and Legal Protection), Moscow, Russian Federation

Paolo Gemelli, Lawyer, Italy

Sergei Glotov, Doctor of Law, Professor, (Deputy President, Commission on Administrative and Organizational Issues of the State Duma), Moscow, Russian Federation

Piera Graffer Ljubibratic, Italy

Gerry Grainger, Lawyer, Ireland

Veljko Guberina, Lawyer, (Former President, Lawyers Chamber of Yugoslavia, Lawyers Chamber of Serbia), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Branimir Gugl, Lawyer, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Maria Paola Guidace, Lawyer, Italy

Dr Heinrich Hannover, Lawyer, Worpswede, Germany

Professor Yuri Ilyin, Lawyer, Moscow, Russian Federation

Viktor Ilyuchin, State Counselor of Justice of II Order, (Deputy President, Commission for Security of the State Duma), Moscow, Russian Federation

David Jacobs, Lawyer, Toronto, Canada

Vladislav Jovanovic, (Former Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs of FR Yugoslavia), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Zivadin Jovanovic, (Former Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs of FR Yugoslavia), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Strahinja Kastratovic, Lawyer, (Former President, Lawyers’ Chamber of Belgrade), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Mikhail Kuznecov, Lawyer, (President, Tribunal for NATO Crimes in Yugoslavia), Moscow, Russian Federation

Nada Lazarevic-Jovovic, Podgorica, Serbia and Montenegro

Mark Littman, Q.C., London, UK

Dr Djordje Lopicic, International Law, Ambassador, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Jennie Lusk, J.D., Lawyer, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

André Mazy, Honorary Magistrate, (Former First Advocate of the Court of Appeal of Brussels), Brussels, Belgium

Mikhail Menev, Lawyer, (Former President, Sofia City Court), Sofia, Bulgaria

Dr Alexander Mezyaev, International Law, (Deputy Head, Department of Constitutional and International Law, Academy of Busyness, Kazan’; Member, Russian International Law Association; Member, Experts’ Council of the Ombudsman of the Republic of Tatarstan), Kazan’, Tatarstan, Russian Federation

Professor Dimitar Mikhailov, Criminal Law, (Former Vice President, UN Committee Against Torture), Sofia, Bulgaria

Oksana Mikhalkina, Lawyer (President, Moscow Lawyers’ Association), Moscow, Russian Federation

Ilija Milanovic, M.A., (Former Consul and Deputy District Prosecutor), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Oleg Mironov, Doctor of Law, Professor, (Director, Institute for Human Rights), Moscow, Russian Federation

Dr Miodrag Mitic, International Law (Member, Legal Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Serbia and Montenegro), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Claudio Moffa, Ordinario, University of Teramo, Italy

Dr Elvia Muscoli, Jurisprudence, Italy

E. Olof, Lawyer, Zeist, Netherlands

Professor Norman Paech, University for Econonomy and Politics, Hamburg, Germany

Giuseppe Pelazza, Lawyer, Milan, Italy

Vidosava Petkovic, Legal Adviser, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

John Philpot, Lawyer, Montreal, Canada

Dmitrij Potockij, Lawyer, Moscow, Russian Federation

Miljenko Reljic, Lawyer, Australia

Antonio Ricca, Italy

Professor Franco Sabatini, Labor Law, University of Chieti-Pescara, Italy

Edoarda Sanci, Lawyer, Italy

Professor Enyo Savov, International Law, Sofia, Bulgaria

Professor Schirmer, International Law, Woltersdorf, Germany

H.E. Schmitt-Lermann, Lawyer, Munich, Germany

Dr Heinz Juergen Schneider, Lawyer, Hamburg, Germany

Elena Semenovna, Lawyer, Moscow, Russian Federation

David K. Sergi, Lawyer, San Marcos, Texas, USA

Jitendra Sharma, Senior Advocate, Supreme Court of India (President, International Association of Democratic Lawyers)

Dr Taras Shamba, Moscow, Russian Federation

Sergei Shtin, Lawyer, Moscow, Russian Federation

Valentina Shtraus, Lawyer, Rostov, Russian Federation

Professor Augusto Sinagra, Law of the European Union, University "La Sapienza", Rome, Italy

Cristiano Sinagra, Lawyer, Italy

Professor Bhim Singh, Advocate, Supreme Court of India (President, National Panthers Party)

N.M.P. Steijnen, Lawyer, Zeist, Netherlands

L.P.H. Stibru, Lawyer, Zeist, Netherlands

Professor Zoran Stojanovic, University of Belgrade, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Dr Milan Tepavac, International Law, Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Professor Andre Tremblay, Lawyer, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Jakob Trümpy, Lawyer, Switzerland

Professor Velko Valkanov, (President, Bulgarian Committee for Human Rights, Former MP), Sofia, Bulgaria

Anna Lucia Valvo, Lawyer, Italy

Jacques Verges, Advocate at the Court of Appeal, Paris, France

Sava Vidanovic, Canada

Pasquale Vilardo, Lawyer, Association of the Democratic Jurists, Rome, Italy

Milan Vujin, Lawyer, (Former President, Lawyers Chamber of Yugoslavia, Lawyers Chamber of Serbia), Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro

Stephen Whatham, Retired Barrister, Inner Temple, UK

Dr Friedrich Wolff, Lawyer, Berlin, Germany

Professor Ivan Yatsenko (Vice-President, European Peace Forum), Moscow, Russian Federation

Professor Claudio Zanghì, International Law, University "La Sapienza", Rome, Italy

<<

http://www.icdsm.org/Lawappeal.htm

[The Magistrate]

27. Mere Blatherskite, Dear

The chief of state is responsible for the actions of his soldiery andpuppets. The prosecution has proved its case beyond any reasonable doubt in the on-going trial. There are always some who will continue, whether through ideological commitment or sheer perversity of mind, to deny facts obvious to their fellow men, and well established as the course of the sun through the skies. There is, for example, a vast literature compiled by persons who deny that Hitler systematically slaughtered the Jews of Europe, or that Enver Pasha massacred the Armenians of Ottoman Turkey. The apologists for this more modern murderer are cretinous slime of the same order, and will find no more respect than their fellows before the bar of history....

"If a man will continue to insist that two and two do not make four, I know of nothing in the power of argument that can stop up his mouth."

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[reorg]

31. the prosecution so far has proven nothing of relevance

- so if you know of anything bad that Milosevic did, hurry up and offer them your secret information! I mean, really, given that the trial may be ending prematurely since almost all defense witnesses have announced they will not participate in this charade.

Your ill informed remarks only attest to the fact that you never bothered reading any of the the actual testimony at:

http://www.un.org/icty/transe54/transe54.htm

The journalist who was questioned on October 12 and 13, Mr. Hutsch, confirmed earlier testimony that Mladic did not act on orders of Milosevic.

Mr. Hutsch also told the court that, interestingly, information is available and known to NATO as to the whereabouts of Mladic and Karazic (Sarajevo- that's also where he interviewed Mladic).

Makes one wonder why these guys are still running around freely, don't you think?

[reorg]

35. beyond any reasonable doubt

Milosevic: 'no link to genocide found'

Chris Stephen
Sunday October 10, 2004
The Observer

Fresh controversy has hit the war crimes trial of Slobodan Milosevic with a claim from a senior intelligence analyst that the Yugoslav leader is innocent of genocide.

Dr Cees Wiebes, a professor at Amsterdam University, now says there is no evidence linking Milosevic to the worst atrocity of the Bosnian war, the massacre of 7,000 Muslims at the town of Srebrenica.

Srebrenica, which was overrun by Serb forces in July 1995, forms the basis of the genocide charge against Milosevic, but Wiebes, a member of a Dutch government inquiry into the atrocity, said there is nothing to link Milosevic to the crime.

'In our report, which is about 7,000 pages long, we come to the conclusion that Milosevic had no foreknowledge of the subsequent massacres,' he says in a radio programme, The Real Slobodan Milosevic, to be broadcast by BBC Five Live tonight. 'What we did find, however, was evidence to the contrary. Milosevic was very upset when he learnt about the massacres.'

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1323864,00.html

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26. wrong question

US involvement in the Yugoslavian mess preceded the Serbian takeover of Srebrenica.

Google MPRI* and Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and maybe you will see the light. It is clear now, much easier to see now in hindsight, that the wars in the Balkans were in fact pipeline wars, manipulated by the western press and mainly directed by the Pentagon.

Those Muslims who feel like the west is undertaking another crusade are merely misguided by religios ideologues, much to the mirth of the actual players of this game. It is in fact a huge "undertaking", as Breszinski recently pointed out, again, to get the entire region between Egypt and China, between Russia and the Arabian sea under the thumb of US corporations.



* >> Due to the very nature of their task, ‘soldiers of fortune’ - or mercenaries - have played a destabilising role throughout history, and whereas in the past their paymasters have been such as Alexander the Great, and feudal barons, in today’s capitalist world their paymasters are fast becoming business corporations. In his study of mercenaries, David Isenberg notes this phenomenon, stressing that “the important distinction here is that such firms are bound by the terms of a business contract and not necessarily those of international law” (1). On the face of it, this would seem to mean that nothing much has changed since those earlier days of Alexander and the barons, but in view of the enormous potency of modern weaponry coupled with the increasingly global spread of capitalism - with its inherent inequitable class structure - it follows that today the destabilising role of these mercenary groups now poses a far greater and more wide-spread hazard than in times past. Furthermore, this hazard is exacerbated when, as in the case of Western capitalist ‘democracies’, the corporate establishment wields immense political clout. This is particularly true of the USA - that quintessential dominant capitalist state, with its de facto corporate-controlled Administration.

The most influential of these American mercenary groups is the Military Professional Resources Inc. (MPRI) which, to quote its website homepage “is a professional services company engaged in defense related contracting in the USA and international markets”. A brief resume of some of the more high-profile board members since its incorporation in 1988 confirms its prestigious standing within the military/Intelligence community (though it is of interest to note that these Washington-based corporate mercenaries - all retired military officers - are known , among themselves, as ‘beltway bandits’. This is justified cynicism):

President/CEO: General Carl E. Vuono (US Army Chief of Staff ‘87 to ‘92 - and, as such, oversaw both the invasion of Panama and the Gulf War)

Snr.Vice-Pres.: General Crosbie ‘Butch’ Saint (Commander US Army Europe ‘88 to ‘92)

Executive Vice-Pres.: General Richard H. Griffith (Asst. US Army Commander Intelligence in Europe ‘89 to ‘91)

Vice-Pres Operations: General Ed Soyster (Asst. US Commander Europe ‘82; later Head of Defense Intelligence Agency - retired ‘88)

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http://www.spectrezine.org/war/Mpri.htm

[The Magistrate]

28. This Is Hardly The News You Seem To Imagine, Dear

President Clinton attempted intervention by proxy in an early stage of the conflict, and had some success by it.

But of course, on the basis of earlier exchanges with you on this matter, it is clear to me your interest in the subject does not extend to any understanding of what actually occured, but extends only to using it as a platform from which to spout a peculiar delusion concerning events that there is no chance you will be disuaded from.

"There are none so blind as them that will not see."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[reorg]

33. again, as usual you don't seem to get it

Those who managed the break-up of Yugoslavia were not in the least interested in preventing slaughter and mayhem. On the contrary, they did their best to first fan the flames and then extinguish the fire from the safe heights of bombers in the sky above.

This simple truth escapes many a well-meaning liberal in the US who solely rely on heavily manipulated media coverage, and maybe due to their naive trust in a sympathetic, if somewhat flawed leader figure.

All the more disappointing is this sad fact after all we have seen in the run-up to the Iraq war. And before that ... remember the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter?