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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:47 AM
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U.S.: Do Voting Scandals Taint Role As Democratic Standard-Bearer?
U.S.: Do Voting Scandals Taint Role As Democratic Standard-Bearer?

By Daisy Sindelar

For the second time in four years, the U.S. presidential election was marred by allegations of dirty tricks, long lines, and a bias against black and minority voters. To be sure, the controversy of this year's vote appeared milder than the chaos of 2000, when George W. Bush was named president after an emotional 36-day legal battle leading all the way to the Supreme Court. Is the U.S. electoral system looking increasingly flawed to the rest of the world?


Prague, 5 November 2004 (RFE/RL) -- The votes were counted. Irregularities were investigated. In the end, the process was deemed free and fair.

For newly elected Afghan President Hamid Karzai, all that remained was the formal blessing of the United States -- which State Department spokesman Richard Boucher soon delivered.

"We congratulate the Afghan people on turning out in record numbers to choose their country's next head of state, and we congratulate the more than 100,000 Afghan election workers and friends of Afghanistan who helped make this election possible," Boucher said. "Everyone involved has much to be proud of. The election is the latest milestone on the Afghan people's road to democratic government and a vibrant civil society."

But even as Karzai was celebrating his victory in Kabul, voters in the United States were anxiously wondering if their own election had been free and fair.After a few hours of uncertainty, Bush's team claimed victory in Ohio, and thus the presidency, even though Senator John Kerry had not yet conceded.

From Wisconsin to Pennsylvania to Nevada, voters complained of being turned away from polling stations after their names were removed from registration lists. Others applied for absentee ballots that never arrived or cast their votes on antiquated -- or overly futuristic -- voting machines prone to breakdown....cont'd

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/11/c8cf7629-9c09-42a9-8a00-198a923f41ea.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:48 AM
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1. Hasn't noticed we're the laughing stock of the world?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:49 AM
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2. the chaos apeared milder
true, just wait if the BBV comes up, and grows legs, 2000 will seem midler
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:57 AM
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3. That would be the 3rd time in 4 years
Max Cleland's vote went bye bye in the computer voting machines.

Paul Wellstone's assassination.

Citizens world wide know more about American politics than most Americans -- or so it seems when I speak to non-Americans.

Remarks I've heard from South Americans -- "if we had rigged the elections like the Americans did in 2000 -- the USA would have forced us to re-do our elections."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:43 AM
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7. Isn't this hideous?
It was almost humorous to hear Bush's ex-HUD Secretary, Mel Martinez, who just won Florida's Senate seat vacated by Bob Graham on C-Span when he claimed he still feels there was something crooked in the last election in Venezuela.

What pathetic, deceitful nerve that one's got. As we've heard recently, that election was completely transparent. Given a clean bill of health by international observers, including Jimmy Carter.

Bush doesn't care if anyone laughs at us, as long as he's got the men who must obey him, and the firepower to erase entire civilizations from the face of the earth.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:12 AM
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13. Blast fax the European press!
Send them EVERY COLUMN inch that puts the legitimacy of the election in question. THEY are NOT AFRAID to ask questions! ;-)
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:00 AM
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4. Did they use e-voting
in Afghanistan?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:32 AM
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9. Can they even read the ballots in Afghanistan?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:55 AM
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16. They used the same technology we proved works for many years.

Paper and Pencil. It works.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:03 AM
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5. The only one who might still believe the US is any kind of a standard ...
bearer also believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. The world knew after 2000 that democracy in the US was an illusion and it was only further verified by the events of Nov 2, 2004. The only thing left for discussion is how far into the fascist philosophy the US public is will to travel and at what point, if ever, they will resist.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:23 AM
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6. Taint
taint, taint?
Noooooo, they show what hypocrites corporate U$ is and how ignorant Murikans are.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:55 AM
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8. Democrats Need To Get The Truth Out!
Democrats should simply let the truth out and not be so quiet as they were after the 2000 coup!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:32 AM
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12. the silence is deafening...
isn't it? :(
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:42 AM
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10. Can you spell m-e-g-a b-a-n-a-n-a r-e-p-u-b-l-i-c ?
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 04:45 AM by Amigust
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:53 AM
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11. Well, yes!
So does thinking you can impose your system of government on another population! Democracy comes from the people, from the bottom up, not from the top down.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:14 AM
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14. Yes, they do.
Next question?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:19 AM
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15. Damn. Now we have to rely on Russia to provide us objective news.
Shit. Things are getting scary around here.
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:23 PM
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17. This article actually serves to support BushCo*
Note that this is Radio Free Europe--isn't this a US propaganda organ? OK, there is mention of "irregularities." but then the article continues with assurances that the election was mostly smooth with only a few glitches.

The international team that came to observe was invited by the US government. They did note problems, but then they gave a general OK to the election--which is now being used to say, 'See? No problems.' So they are part of the problem now. I do think the OSCE report is being mis-used, so it really isn't all their fault, but maybe they can come out with some stronger criticism?

I think we need to send our data and concerns to the OSCE Parliamentary Assn. and beg them to reconsider the "pass" they gave to the elections. Here is their website and an article about their observation team. AT THE BOTTOM are email addresses to communicate with them.

http://www.oscepa.org/index.aspx?articleid=+367+367&newsid=260

<<OSCE observers view U.S. electoral reforms as work in progress

11-04-2004 WASHINGTON, D.C., 4 November 2004- The 2 November elections in the United States were conducted in an environment that reflects a longstanding democratic tradition, including institutions governed by rule of law, free and professional media and an active civil society involved in all aspects of the election process.

The elections mostly met OSCE's commitments for democratic elections, agreed to by the 55 OSCE participating States, concludes the Election Observation Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). The Mission focused primarily on election reforms, particularly the implementation of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002.

"The high turnout indicates the importance of this election for the electorate and the strong democratic tradition in this country. Although it was not possible for our observers to access polling stations in all states, due to lack of provision in federal or state legislation, it appears that the voting and the processing of ballots proceeded in an orderly manner," said Barbara Haering, Vice-President of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly and Special Co-ordinator of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office for the Short-Term OSCE Observation Mission. "We commend the interest and patience of voters who often had to wait in long lines to cast their votes."

Professor Rita Suessmuth, Head of the OSCE/ODIHR long-term election observation mission, said: "The impact of the HAVA reforms was positive but limited due to delays in its implementation and varying interpretation of parts of it. It is a work in progress. Clearer rules for handling of provisional ballots are undoubtedly needed. In order to meet allits the country's OSCE commitments the U.S. election reforms will have to go beyond HAVA, particularly regarding access for international observers."

According to the limited OSCE observations on election day, staff in polling stations appear to have coped well with new voting procedures across many parts of the country, despite warnings of a significant shortage of poll workers and the introduction of new technology. The use of electronic voting machines was broadly successful.

The OSCE observers were able to assess aspects of the pre-election environment and were granted access to polling stations in a number of states, sometimes only in specific counties. The OSCE believes that in order to further enhance transparency and to meet its U.S. international commitments, Congress and individual states should consider introducing legal provisions allowing unimpeded access for international observers invited by the U.S. government.

The Mission was deployed by the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) and the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly. It published its preliminary findings today, based on the work of 92 observers from 34 countries, including 56 parliamentarians.

For further information, please contact:

Jan Jooren, Counsellor, International Secretariat of the PA, Radhusstraede 1, 1466, Copenhagen K, Denmark, Tel.: +45 33 37 80 40, 40 41 16 41 (mobile), Fax: +45 33 37 80 30, E-mail: jan@oscepa.dk

Urdur Gunnarsdottir, ODIHR Spokesperson, Press and Public Information Adviser, Public Affairs Unit, Aleje Ujazdowskie 19, 00-557, Warsaw, Poland, Tel.: +48 22 520 06 00 ext. 4162, 48 603 683 122 (mobile), mobile +1 202 459 8032 (mobile), Fax: +48 22 520 06 05, E-mail: Urdur.Gunnarsdottir@odihr.pl
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:43 PM
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18. No. The world is too busy admiring us for Abu-Ghraib to notice ...
... election fraud.
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