Keith Olbermann (Countdown MSNBC) ran segment on voter fraud!!!

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

He had Rep. Conyers on, who, along with 5 other congressmen have written congress about voting problems, asking for an investigation. Conyers said that it may go to the Judiciary Committee, of which he is a member.

The segment also got into how some of the counties in northern FL have what seem to be backwards voting (heavily democratic counties with oddly heavy vote preferring Bush), and lots more.

I am going to look for the transcript, and will post it here.

This is so great...the word is finally getting out!

[madfloridian]

1. It was excellent, re-airs at 12 I think.

Very good job by him.

[Kellis]

2. I saw it !!!

I was so happy to see someone finally talking about this on the news!!

[johnfunk]

88. For those who missed it: TRANSCRIPT HERE

Read the full transcript here.

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. I got bluffed!

I'm staying up until 12:00 to see it. Let me know if the time changes.

[olddad56]

15. don't stay up until 12, watch it at 9 PST.

joke

[Maat]

7. Some good news!

I needed it.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

23. Oh yes! Haven't we all.

[Ducks In A Row]

4. Did he call it fraud? Or just glitches, irregularities?

Did he point out that someone is behind it, or that it was just something that happened?

Did he mention that all the owners of the diebold-type machines had strong ties to bush, or did he leave that out?

You can report on the "problems" and it's still not highlighting it's fraud, and that bush didn't win anything.

Did he have Bev Harris on as promised earlier? No.

Did he treat bush as the winner later? I think he did. He isn't reporting the fraud, and he is going along with the fiction of bush as president.

Reporting on a few problems isn't going to get any attention from the rest of the media.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

8. We all owe Olbermann a big THANK YOU! Not one other anchor has

had the courage to even touch this story, from what I have seen, so lets not shoot arrows at our friends! He also mentioned that there is an AP poll that was done since the election that shows 39% of voters doubt the results. This is BIG progress! This story has gone from zero coverage to at least 10 minutes of national news. And it really did raise the issue of fraud, albeit perhaps indirectly. He is a newsman, he isn't supposed to take sides.

For anyone wanting to thank him...
email address:
Keith Olbermann
[e-mail]

[0007]

16. Your absolutely right. Thanks for the e-mail link, now my

e-mail is on its way!

[BayStateBoy]

41. Olbermann Did All He Could. Even Tried to Make Conyers Use the "F" Word...

I don't know how we could have asked any more of Olbermann.

He pushed as far as anyone could on the issue and generously used the tampering and fraud words to try to beat some action out of Conyers.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

71. Hey! We should thank Conyers too! He has really shown courage in

taking the issue even this far. Here is the list of the congressmen who wrote the letter to the GAO:
Conyers
Nadler
Wexler

And these congressmen signed on a bit later, as I understand it:
Holt
Scott
Watt

They need a thank you as well.

[itzamirakul]

63. I sent email Thanks

It is important to let the media makers know when we appreciate what they do as well as castigating them when we hate what they do.

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

73. done - we need to all send him positive

feedback - Keep the ball rolling...

[AKing]

9. Office of Homeland Security was primarily mentioned as to why ......

the media was locked out of a building counting votes. Seems they got some sort of warning. Olberman was joking that maybe Osama wanted to take out Kings Island.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

20. Some clerk there said a FBI agent told them that on a 1 to 10 scale, that

area was at a risk of 10. That was very odd...how could anyone think that southern OH would be a terrorist's first choice?

[MADem]

46. It is NOW....

According to the latest video by OBL, the red states are gonna get it (he distinguished between state and nation-state--sophisticated old fuxker, that Osama).

Had they counted all the ballots, fairly and properly, I think Ohio would be cheerfully blue.

You have to wonder about all these odd pipeline explosions in TX of late....how much bad maintenance can they have??

[roseBudd]

67. DUers! Thank the Cincinnati Enquirer for breaking Warren County story

the ball is in their court. If they are stoked and stroked hopefully they will pursue whether there was fraud and not just 1 st amendment rights.

Contact:
Erica Solvig
(M-F, 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) Warren County community affairs [e-mail] 513-755-4155

Dan Sewell
(M-F, 8 a.m.-5 p.m.) Ohio Suburban Chief [e-mail] 513-755-4142

and local news editor:
Ron Liebau
(M-F, 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) Local News [e-mail] 513-768-8396

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

14. I should also add hat he presented it in such a way as to raise eyebrows

even though he didn't go as far as you would have liked. He didn't mention the Bush ties to Diebold, but he DID mention that the odd results (heavy Bush vote in heavily democratic precincts) occured only where Diebold and two other manufacturer's machines were being used. And only in Bush's favor, and despite one other measure that was favored among democrats passing overwhelmingly.

So, he didn't go as far as you would have liked, but he did a DAMN good job!

[loritooker]

79. Olberman on voter fraud

I thought it was very strong. He referred to fraud. He didn't spin it as "glitches". He had on a reporter from Cinncinati would complaiend that the media wasn't let in in a certain county. He covered a lot of ground. This is the first TV report of voter fraud and it went on for 12 minutes or so, I'd guess. My take was that this was a good report.

[Kittycat]

5. Reairs at 12 EST or 12 CST?

thanks.

[AKing]

6. Showed Florida counties.....

where precincts that were overwhelmingly registered Democrats suddenly voting for W. Funny how all the irregularities seem to go W's way in Fla and Ohio.

[rodeodance]

12. He was great

The other major broadcasters ought to be ashamed of themselves for ignorning the growing evidence.
Keith O. is taking Kerry's and Edwards departing words seriously--they both said that every vote will count.

[loritooker]

80. Yes he was great.

The word is getting out!

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Any chance we can get a visual so we can send it around the

internet world?

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

19. Here is the link to the Countdown site at MSNBC:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
Here is part of what is said on his site:
"There is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat," blogs Keith Olbermann. "And while the group’s ultimate home remains unclear— so might our election of just a week ago."

The above is part of his blog, which you can find here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

And this is the link to the MSNBC show transcript site, although tonight's transcript is not posted yet:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

[Buns_of_Fire]

65. And it includes Words to the Wise from Mr. Olbermann...

Having said all that - for crying out loud, all the data we used tonight on Countdown was on official government websites in Cleveland and Florida. We confirmed all of it - moved it right out of the Reynolds Wrap Hat zone - in about ten minutes.

Which offers one way bloggers can help guide the mainstream at times like this: source your stuff like crazy, and the stuffier the source the better. (bold mine)

[meganmonkey]

40. self delete

[cal04]

10. Just read about Sequoia's software in washingtonSt and Nevada

I’m a lawyer researching Sequoia Electronic Voting systems used in Washington state. They are also used in the swing state of Nevada (in all counties) thanks to federal grants.

In August of 2004 Sequoia wanted to get its software into the Reno area (Washoe County Board of Commissioners). How much do you think it costs to license their software for voting purposes? $30,000 a year, plus an annual adjustment for increased costs and inflation EXCEPT THAT THE FIRST FOUR YEARS ARE FREE. That’s right, free. See page 743 (PDF). Sequoia wanted to get their software into swing states like Nevada so badly, they gave away the first $120,000 in licensing fees for four years to get the counties to sign on. Nevada’s population is 90% urban, consisting mainly of Clark County (Las Vegas) and Reno (Washoe County). Nevada also previously received around $15 million in federal grants to defray the anticipated $17 million cost of the voting machines themselves.

Washoe County Clerk Dan Burk stated in the minutes of the Washoe County Board of Commissioners that although the prior investment of Washoe County in Diebold voting machines would in a sense be lost, the new Sequoia machines "would be paid for through the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) and not with County funds." See Page 429 (PDF). Consequently, both the Sequoia voting machines and the Sequoia voting software licensing was free to Washoe County, Nevada.

The link and the relevant paragraph showing the software was free to Washoe County is below my automatic signature. Support for the free machines via HAVA federal grants is in the Review-Journal article linked to above.

Paul R. Lehto, Attorney at Law
Everett, WA

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04490.html

[happynewyear]

25. Sequoia Gives Away Electronic Voting Machines in Swing State Before Novemb

Sequoia Gives Away Electronic Voting Machines in Swing State Before November Election

Thanks for the link to this.

So, they got these machines for free in August of 2004! My GAWD can you say FRAUD?????????

Very interesting information to say the very least!!!! :grr:





:dem:

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

11. Whoops! I meant to say the congressman have written the GAO.

[Native]

17. A full 15 minutes & it was the lead story!

Congrats are definitely in order: [e-mail]

[Sparkle]

28. When I click on your link it gives 4 n's after Olbermann.

Speaking of computer glitches....

[Ilsa]

18. Does this show get repeated on CNBC?

I don't get MSGOP, but CNBC, most of the day, when they aren't running infomercials.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

22. I really don't know...you might check with your cable people. Also

I posted a link earlier in this thread to the MSNBC page where transcripts are available, and there is a blog there that gets into the issue too.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

21. My goodness

You mean he wasn't locked down? He didn't get the marching orders that so many here were talking about last night?

That grain of salt I need to read DU just keeps getting bigger and bigger with each visit.

[krkaufman]

24. VIDEO: MSNBC's Olbermann/Countdown on voting issues

Here's video of Keith's segment from tonight's 'Countdown' on the voting "irregularities"...
http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/countdown_on_voting_irregs.wmv


Also, here's the '60 Minutes' segment on BlackBoxVoting, from 2 weeks ago... Especially frightening is the segment from 11m30s-12m10s; specifically, the comment by Toni McCormick, Los Angeles county's election supervisor, regarding recounts....

http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/60Minutes_BBV_100.wmv

[HighJinx]

26. A ray of hope

:kick:

[Judi Lynn]

27. Thanks so much. Listening now!

Sent the link to friends, as well. You've done us all a great favor.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

30. Yes, thanks for video. I've already begun circulating it. You are fast!

[krkaufman]

35. Yeah, I figured this clip was important enough...

... that I stopped recording right at the end of the voting segment, in order to get it downloaded faster. Didn't want to wait until the end of the show -- at which point the file would have been even larger, and slower to download.

[Kurovski]

39. Thank you!

Olbermann promises to keep reporting as long as Conyers keeps investigating.

And a big "Woo-Hoo!" to Kieth for not being forced into "lockdown."

And a Woo-Hoo to you krkaufman, for bringing this to us.

Unfortunately, I no longer get MSNBC on my cable.

-Kurt

[flying_blind]

57. I'm sending this all 'round

cry for bandwidth help if needed!

A great service you have performed indeed!

[mzmolly]

33. Thanks!

:toast:

[RyomaSakamoto]

52. MSNBC's Keith OLBERMANN is reporting it ----------------> mp3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/fraud04/fraud04.mp3

psst... pass the word - ipod it ;->

[alfredo]

59. Keith said the word we need to keep repeating.

I will be putting this graphic all over town. If you want to use it. Go right ahead and download it to your drive.

[roseBudd]

68. New memme: Bush used a corked bat

[elf]

60. kick for later

[burrowowl]

29. Re-airs 10:00 pm MST

gonna be watching

[Newsjock]

31. Darn thing is gonna make me cry!

And that's not easy to do to this 43yo grizzled soul. The silence has been broken. Earlier today, this letter was posted at the Poynter Institute's Romenesko blog, read daily by many of The Names in journalism:

From WARREN BERGER: I'd like to get opinions on the following: How difficult do you think it would it be right now for a major news organization to aggressively pursue a story on possible election fraud? Obviously, there were lots of cautionary stories before the election about Diebold, etc., but I haven't seen much post-election follow-up so far (other than a few smatterings about isolated voting booth mishaps). One could say, well there's no big story to pursue, but there are some interesting tidbits floating around. This comes from a site that is not impartial, and I'm not vouching for the reliability of this particular story, but it does show that there are some unsettling questions being raised on the fringes right now.

The question is, are these rumblings on the fringes likely to be picked up by the mainstream press -- or might there be a reluctance, because no one wants to run the risk of being "Rathered?"  Especially given the post-election mood -- which tells us "the people have spoken," and "This is not 2000" and "time to move on." It just seems to me that any major news outlet that questions election results in the current environment is likely to find itself on Fox News facing charges of being a sore loser, a divider, or of refusing to accept "the clear message that America has sent."

[leftchick]

62. DAMN......

This fellow needs to read on the internet more. Hint: ttry googling election fraud 2004 and see what you get!

At least he ended with the right attitude for a journalist,,,
~snip~
From MATTHEW MILLIKEN, reporter, Henderson, N.C. Daily Dispatch: Regarding Warren Berger's question , I'm not aware of any election fraud. (!!!???!!!)<-me

~snip~
I think the answer to that is clear, no matter how you feel about Tuesday's election returns or your own bank statement.

Also, if I allowed my popularity, or the imagined reaction to my stories, to be a key factor in determining what I reported or how I reported it, my newspaper would probably not be as useful a source of information for the public.

~snip~

Not checking facts is bad journalism. So is avoiding controversy just for the sake of going along and getting along.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

32. Has anyone located a link to that AP poll that the segment mentioned?

I've been searching with no luck so far. Olbermann said that the poll found that 39% of voters had doubts about the fairness of the process (or some wording along those lines). I'd like to see a copy of it, so if anyone knows how to find it, please post.

[CTD]

37. He was referring to this poll

http://news.bostonherald.com/election/view.bg?articleid=53108

I've been trying to find an article regarding this poll that's not just the straight AP story with no luck. But this is the poll he was referring to.

[Liberty Belle]

34. Olbermann report

Overall Keith Olbermann did a very good job, though I wish he'd interviewed Bev and pointed out the Diebold connection to Bush. I more upset with Congressman Conyers, however. Olbermann repeatedly asked Conyers what he thought should happen about THIS election, not future ones, if proof of tampering is found. Conyers insisted he's only trying to fix things for the future.

When are prominent Democrats going to come out and say clearly that if the election was rigged, the results must be overturned? Bush should be stripped of electors from any precincts with fradulent results. We need a new election, at least in those precincts where tampering is evident. We also need a Democratic leader with enough courage to call for a reversal of this outcome. Howard Dean or Bill Clinton, are you listening?

Miriam

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

38. Walls can only be built one brick at a time...these guys are laying the

foundation. If the letter Conyers writes get action, there will be an investigation. That is the first step. You can't reasonably expect some of these guys to stick their necks out too far, too fast. The only way to determine if there is rigging is through investigation. That is where you get your proof. The current political climate is such that Conyers IS sticking his neck out, so he should be thanked, along with Olbermann.

[AKing]

43. We need to take it here......

The last thing we need is another Dan Rathergate

[barb162]

48. what you are saying is TOTALLY OBVIOUS, beyond totally

obvious, but we are met by deafening silence, aren't we? Maybe we should be writing to more news organizations.

[Liberty Belle]

36. Tell Keith how to spend $100,000

Keith Olbermann recently offered to pay $100,000 of his own money for the Bill O'Reilly sex tape, urging the woman suing O'Reilly not to settle if it meant keeping the tape hidden from public view. Olbermann disclosed on air that he was once fired from Fox News and paid a large sum to not air any Fox dirty laundry, but fortunately the time limit in the contract ran out. So Olbermann was going to pay the woman suing O'Reilly with the money Fox once paid him!
Unfortunately she settled with Fox and agreed to bury the tape.

I e-mailed Olbermann, thanked him for tonight's story, and suggested he take that $100,000 and donate it to Bev for her investigation or better yet, take out ads in major newspapers across America to inform readers about the theft of this election that the other networks are refusing to report. Hmmmm...Maybe if others do the same, he'll go for it!

Miriam

[demgrrrll]

42. You know what has been bugging me is that on his blog he wrote about

"blood curdling" stories. I keep trying to imagine what those stories could be. I have read many different scenarios here but none I would describe as blood curdling. Does anyone have any ideas?

[gauguin57]

49. He mentioned a whole bunch of Opti-scan counties in FLA where

the vote counts are absolute anomalies, in favor of Bush. Just the opti-scan counties. Obviously a vote-count fuck-up that must be corrected. These have a paper trail. THESE can be recounted.

I find that blood-curdling. I also find the fact that the media was locked out of a courthouse where they were counting the votes to be BLOOD-CURDLING.

[demgrrrll]

53. Yes I understand. My thought on blood curdling would be a conspiracy

that would take down the whole government. Not minimizing in the least what you wrote and I agree with you.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

44. My Letter To Countdown

Dear Mr. Olbermann:

I have been a fan of yours since your days on ESPN, and you have always been entertaining, intelligent, and professional. And tonight, you have proved that third trait to be the most important. Bringing to the air what few network or cable anchors consider newsworthy, yet is more important than any 25 Kobe stories combined. I speak of the voter fraud story which ran at #5 tonight, but which should be at #1 on every TV news show in America. I thank you for it.

We have come to a most dangerous place in this country, where daring to speak out has become an easily accusable Offense Against The State. It is sad to know that others will remain silent on this story, or even worse, demean your integrity and character in the days and weeks to come for simply HAVING the integrity and character to run this piece. I pray you whether the storm to come and remain with us, for yours is a show that always informs and entertains, and is invaluable to those of us who find little to smile about not only in politics, but in the state of the world as it is.

May it ever be so. And may you be with us for decades to come.

Warmest Regards and Thanks
Bob Gatenby
Wherever I am, PA

[meganmonkey]

45. There wasn't fraud in those counties

Unless it's been going on since 1988.

I didn't see the Olbermann segment (no TV) but if it's the same counties that have been mentioned in other articles (Dixie, Hamilton & Franklin), he is correct that they are heavily registered democrat counties, but they have been voting very republican at least as far back as 1988. I checked this out the other night when another article referenced these Florida counties. I think it's a 'dixiecrat' thing.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/8/88&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

Please understand that I am confident that fraWd happened in many counties, in many states. I think that they should all be investigated, and I am not trying to be a downer. It is just VITALLY IMPORTANT that we check the background and focus on the right situations. As soon as this particular situation gets more press, someone is going to shoot it down and I am afraid the whole fraud argument will be publicly discredited.

[reprobate]

47. You are so sure that there was no fraud that you had to post this twice?

[meganmonkey]

51. after I posted it up top, I realized it may get overlooked

and I think it's important as hell. If it makes you feel better, i'll edit out the one up there. I have to go to sleep soon, so I figured I'd be able to see responses sooner at the bottom. Plus, it's really a response to the original poster.

To answer your whole question, I am reasonably sure there was no fraud in those counties. However, I am pretty damn sure there was fraud in a lot of places. It really worries me that this is the one getting all the press, because it didn't take me long to find evidence against it. And rest assured, when I looked at this link I was looking for evidence to SUPPORT ithe theory.

[reprobate]

70. OK. Sorry to jump your case, but we get som many disruptors here.

Didn't mean to lump you in with them. And I was really tired and irritable too. In any case, I fear the fraud will not grow legs as IMHO the media is owned by repugs.

I also fear that the nation will have to go down all the way before we recover the democracy we were given in the eighteenth century.

As Ben Franklin said: "I am in favor of this Constitution, as flawed as it is, because we need good government and we need it fast. And this, properly enacted, will give us, for a space of years, such government.
It will fail, as all such constitutions have in the past, because of the essential corruption of the people." He pointed his finger at all the American people. "And when the people become so corrupt," he said, "we will find it is not a republic that they want but rather despotism — the only form of government suitable for such a people."--Quotation by Gore Vidal

[meganmonkey]

86. I appreciate your response

And I know it's hard to tell who is disrupting and who is sincere. But it looks like Olbermann mentioned it on his blog (see ByeBye Bushie's post #72 below), that certain counties he mentioned were full of dixiecrats, which I am very happy to hear. This thing is really getting legs and I want those legs to Go Go Go!

:hi:

[gauguin57]

50. He wasn't just talking about three counties ...

... and all the "anomaly" counties had the opti-scan ballots in common.

There's at least smoke, if not fire.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

55. Are you sure that is accurate? That site also shows Miami-Dade and

Palm Beach counties going for the Republican candidate in 1988, and that just doesn't sound right. Could you be in error? Is that a bogus site, somehow?

[meganmonkey]

56. It's from the Fla Department of State

I wouldn't necessarily put it past them, changing old numbers. That would be some freaky big brother shit. But unless that's the case it should be the most accurate info available. I was only 14 in 1988, so I don't know what was going on then. I do know that Cubans voted much more Republican back then, that may explain Miami-Dade, at least to some extent.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

58. I just looked at the '88 table again, and it looks like only ONE county,

Gadsden, went democrat that election. Could that possibly be true? Anyone know much about FL voting? I had always heard that certain counties were heavily democratic in voting patterns, not just registration, but if this table is correct, that's just not true. I hope someone can help with this.

AND you are correct in saying that its crucial that the info that does make it to the media be absolutely airtight. It would be a shame to lose the momentum with something that wasn't accurate if there is a lot of valid info.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

72. Whew...Olbermann addresses that in his blog. Nice catch though.

Here is what he says:
"...there was a solid point raised about some of the incongruous voting noted on the website of Florida’s Secretary of State.

There, 52 counties tallied their votes using paper ballots that were then optically scanned by machines produced by Diebold, Sequoia, or Election Systems and Software. 29 of those Florida counties had large Democratic majorities among registered voters (as high a ratio as Liberty County - Bristol, Florida and environs - where it’s 88 percent Democrats, 8 percent Republicans) but produced landslides for President Bush. On Countdown, we cited the five biggest surprises (Liberty ended Bush: 1,927; Kerry: 1,070), but did not mention the other 24.

Those protesting emailers pointed out that four of the five counties we mentioned also went for Bush in 2000, and were in Florida’s panhandle or near the Georgia border. Many of them have long “Dixiecrat” histories and the swing to Bush, while remarkably large, isn’t of itself suggestive of voting fraud.

That the other 24 counties were scattered across the state, and that they had nothing in common except the optical scanning method, I didn’t mention. My bad. I used the most eye-popping numbers, and should have used a better regional mix instead.

More juicy stuff on Keith's blog:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[meganmonkey]

87. Thanks for following up!

That's great news!

:)

[Khaotic]

54. I Posted This Earlier and It Was Moved ...

I posted this about Keith getting ready to talk about this earlier and DU moved it to the editorial section.

I guess it wasn't late breaking enough.

Want to know where there's even more of a focus?

If you have Dish Network or DirecTV you should be able to watch Democracy Now on "Link TV."

Democracy Now is an awesome program and the show host is ALL over this.

If you don't have the channel you can check it out online. http://www.democracynow.org/streampage.pl

There are multiple outlets that are all over this, but Keith is the first national outlet to pursue it.

Thom Hartmann is another progressive that's all over this.

Check him out at http://www.thomhartmann.com/ and start blogging there too.

Thom is a VERY smart guy and friends with Randi Rhodes. They're both making this the hot subject matter of the decade.

To listen to Thom you can hear him on Sirius sat radio or online. If you live near one of the stations that carry him you can listen also (of course).

This isn't done by a long shot.

If there's enough evidence and the GOP powers that be continue to ignore it then I think it will be time to get other countries involved and file a breach of international law.

As far as I'm concerned the NeoCons have hijacked Democracy. We either take it back through the courts or it gets real nasty.

I can't imagine how the people that stood in the rain for 9 hours to vote are taking this. I'm REALLY surprise that Cleveland hasn't had some major uproar. The amount of voter supression is unreal.

This CAN'T fester for 4 years, something has to be done soon.

Thank you Keith for stepping up to the plate!

... and can you believe he got his start at ESPN. I guess that's why he "stepped up to the plate."

I know, ha, ha.

[Laelth]

75. Excellent! Thanks for the links.

There's a transcript of the segment on election fraud in which Bev Harris was interviewed. One of the more chilling things she reported was this:

"The other thing I'm seeing is that in some parts the media gave a huge push to hurry, hurry, hurry, certify. This was happening in New Mexico. They're saying -- they're putting tremendous pressure on Governor Bill Richardson to hurry and certify the election. Well why? You have x-number of days to certify the election. One would think you would want it to be right, and you’d think would you want to go through and you want to check out the information. And understand, a lot of this is already election procedures. We keep saying that election procedures are what really save us from the insecure and mysterious machines, and that the election procedures would catch anomalies. Understand, that they have not done the election procedures yet in most cases. They have chosen to go ahead and call elections without doing the very procedures that they say protect the system."

Looks like the R's strategy now is to head off any recounts by certifying quickly. Perhaps we have less time than we thought to question these results.

Here's the link to the specific transcript.

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--added link.

[pacalo]

61. I watched & I thought he was excellent!

I'm proud of him for showing some principle.

[JoFerret]

64. No doubt about it -

- something rotten in the state of Denmark.
How ridiculous is it too to have people waiting in lines for hours to cast a vote. Makes us the laughing stock of the industrialised nations.

[Jester_11218]

66. Isn't it a shame...

that when a news person actually reports news...it causes such excitement? Shouldn't this thread be discussing the one or 2 news shows that have NOT discussed this? This is the perfect example of how the news media have failed us!

Peace

[Tellurian]

69. Oh, and BTW...Tell Ariana Huffington to "put a sock in it!"

for all her verve and vitality, when the chips are down, she sure doesn't waste any time climbing on the bandwagon and kicking JFK in the ribs...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/huffington/2004/11/08/caution/index.html

[goclark]

74. Imus talked about it this morning!

He was good and as is his fashion,took a parting shot at Keith.

At first he said that Keith was talking about the votes being stolen.
At least he mentioned it. That is more than most have done.


He gave some examples and then I guess his meds started in, he said something like:Keith should be kicked off the air."

[Tellurian]

82. What else do you expect...

from an ass kissing wannabe, washed up flower child?

[PeteGammons]

76. There are 7 counties in Florida...

...where * won the vote, and the difference between his percentage of the vote and his registration advantage was more than 100%. That sounds VERY suspicious.

Baker
Calhoun
Dixie
Holmes
Lafayette
Liberty
Union

Until you look a little deeper. Those are all northern, rural counties. Rednecks, good-old fundie bible-thumpers, dixiecrats, registered Democrats since time immemorial, and wouldn't ever vote for a Northern liberal. Not only did chimpy win them despite the nominal Democratic registration advantage, he won them 4 years ago, and so did Bob Dole - against a southern Democrat, an incumbent on his way to landslide re-election - in 1996. In other words, while it certainly sounds suspicious to say "hey, these democratic counties went for the smirking chimp", they aren't really democratic counties, and haven't been for a long time.

Furthermore, those 7 counties amount for fewer than 45,000 votes total, and fewer than 20,000 votes in the lead, in a state that currently shows a difference of more than 370,000 votes.

Obviously, Olbermann's heart's in the right place. But when you bring this shit up, it's going to get laughed at. It's ridiculous, and it further serves to cast doubt on any ACTUAL evidence of fraud that comes up. It's the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome, just like the people crying that the exit polls didn't match the votes. If we whine to much about stuff that's patently NOT evidence of fraud, when we do find some, it's going to get laughed off.

I know that this pisses people off when I point this out, and that's NOT my intention. But this is not productive. If you've got one football coach who says "we got outplayed on offense, outplayed on defense, out-couched - beaten all around", and you've got another who says "the refs screwed us", which one is better prepared to improve?

It's the message, people. There are too many people in here focused on any little glitch in the system, any excuse to avoid dealing with the fact that, as much as I hate to say it, WE LOST! If we don't deal with that, and figure out WHY, we'll play the same game next time, and LOSE AGAIN! And I CANNOT BEAR that...

[goclark]

83. Tx you 17 posts but

I'll keep my own thoughts about this issue.


First of all, few have said we did not LOSE.

We know that even if we WON we really LOSE because they have a "MANDATE" to do whatever the hell they want to do.

We can focus on any god damn thing we want to. While you were earning your 17 posts we have been working Day and Night to see that "Every Vote Counts."

You will not change our direction so get over it.

[CTD]

77. MORE KO coverage of irregularities tonight (Tues) - email count breaks 6K

From a recent update to "Bloggermann":

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Naked Promotional Announcement (Keith Olbermann)



SECAUCUS -- A quick and haplessly generic answer now to the 6,000 emails and the hundreds of phone calls.

Firstly, thank you.

Secondly, we will indeed be resuming our coverage of the voting irregularities in Ohio and Florida -- and elsewhere -- on this evening's edition of Countdown {8:00 p.m. ET}. The two scheduled guests are Jonathan Turley, an excellent professor of law at George Washington University, and MSNBC analyst and Congressional Quarterly senior columnist Craig Crawford.

For Jonathan, the questions are obvious: the process and implications of voting reviews, especially after a candidate has conceded, even after a President has been re-elected. For Craig, the questions are equally obvious: did John Kerry's concession indeed neuter mainstream media attention to the questions about voting and especially electronic voting, and what is the political state of play on the investigations and the protests.

Phase Two, in which Doris gets her oats...

Keep them coming. Email me at [e-mail]

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Excellent...

[loritooker]

78. Keith Olbermann on voter fraud

I can't believe what I just saw from MSNBC! Olbermann looked PISSED!! Everyone please send him an e mail of support and thanks. MSNBC needs to know that people care about this and want them to stay on this. We are NOT "Reynold's Wrap loons" anymore. Tell everybody you meet. Keep saying "Voter Fraud" until its in everyone's mind. I have bumper stickers on my cars. Don't be stopped if people ridicule you. This is real and it can come out if we push it! Also, you all probably know, but remind people to go to blackboxvoting.ORG.

[goclark]

84. Did you see Keith today? What happened?

[loritooker]

81. Talk about voter fraud with everyone

The more we talk the more people will notice. Its going mainstream.

[jlsoaz]

85. Examination Of Florida Election Results

Hello:

This is my first post here.

I thought the Florida election result tables made a real impression, in part because of the numbers involved:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The total numbers for "odd" voting patterns extend into the hundreds of thousands... not the few thousand here or there we've heard about from isolated precincts.

When I looked at that link, and showed it to others, it came across that some folks might not be able to make sense of it too quickly. So, I spent some time analyzing the total numbers, in a spreadsheet. I have posted the sheet here:

http://www.herecomesmongo.com/ae/2004FLPresVote.xls

Perhaps some folks here could give me feedback if they think there is anything that could be improved with the way I have tried to do my calculations. I can be reached at [e-mail]. If anyone can spot any really glaring errors, I would appreciate if they are brought to my attention.

Essentially, my initial calculations are that if the Op-Scan Counter counties had gone roughly in the same proportion as the E-Touch-Voting counties, then Kerry would have won by about 3%, or about 224,000 votes, instead of losing by about 5%, or about 368,000 votes.

My calculations are isolated to the data from ustogether.com, and therefor do not touch on other important issues, such as the failure to mail out dozens of thousands of absentee ballots in a timely fashion, the critical issue of whether troops got their ballots in time to vote and whether their votes were counted, and the myriad other important issues that have been reported by Palast and others.

[jlsoaz]

89. on further consideration

I took down the sheets for now. Sorry for the bother.

jlsoaz