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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:15 PM
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Votergate 2004; We Don't Need Paper to Prove Fraud, But We Do Need Money
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:29 PM by robbedvoter
Votergate 2004; We Don't Need Paper to Prove Fraud, But We Do Need Money and Leadership, NOW.
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385
Since last Tuesday there has been a justifiable uproar about the major differences between the exit polls in Ohio and Florida and the actual results. Democrats and Republicans, who both saw the same exit polls that showed an electoral landslide in favor of Kerry, have confirmed this. Investigative reporter Bob Parry confirmed from his sources that the Bush campaign was convinced they were going to lose. George H. W. Bush also confirmed this in an interview with The Today Show. So why have the exit polls been so wrong in the last two elections? It is clear that there must have been manipulation in the voting machines. While there's been a lot of talk of problems with not having paper trails, computer fraud is uncovered most of the time without paper trails. more


from the co-founder of Air America - on Zogby's website
Fixed link
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:17 PM
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1. That link is broken. n/t
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:18 PM
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2. Link's broke. nt
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:20 PM
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3. On the subject of leadership...
I couldn't agree more. It's one thing for us to accept that the media is going to be slightly reluctant to cover issues of voter fraud, but to not demand more from our party leaders is unacceptable. I see great initiative here and across the Internet from every day citizens who are fed up with lies. What I have yet to see is any initiative from those we've elected into power.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:21 PM
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4. Not LBN
Thanks.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:30 PM
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7. The burden of proof not on us - breaking news, I think!
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:22 PM
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5. Here's the link
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:25 PM
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6. Thanks. n/t
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:35 PM
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8. Good to see Zogby helping roll the ball. nt
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:37 PM
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9. I got a good exit poll from him today - this was in the e-mail:

It's over. Mostly. But if you want to tell the pundits why you did or
didn't vote for George W. Bush or John Kerry, this is your
opportunity. Please take the time to complete this Post-Election
survey asking about voting problems, motivations, and more. Click
on the following link to begin. And as always, thanks for your participation!
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:44 PM
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10. We need some kind of centralized location --
where we can amass an army of statisticians, etc. and where people can send money.

Any suggestions -- I am ready to email several hundred people to fundraise for this -- but I don't know where to send them.
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mountain mama Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:54 PM
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11. coordinatied effort
Is Air America working with Black Box Voting. org? Can someone connect those two??
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:59 PM
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12. That's why I say we contact Kerry and ask him to investigate this.
It's not about HIM, it's about US.

Leadership and funding-- these are the two real challenges that must be dealt with in the coming days. We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes. We need to get the media to see that votergate 2004 is huge news and we need to quickly fund the investigation and get Democratic leaders behind it.

Everyone is waiting for Kerry's go ahead, screw it. He can come along or not. We need to act on this now.
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:23 PM
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14. Agreed. It's been a week, fellow bureaucrats...
Granted, a week of hard work on all our parts, but this will only stay fresh in the public's mind for a few more days.

We need progress by the minute, not the hour.
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sugargoose Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:44 PM
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16. Where do we send money?
I want this exposed YESTERDAY.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:22 PM
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17. I'm with you - where do I send the money? n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:00 PM
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13. WE GOT A GATE!
Hey, everyone, WE GOT A GATE! We're VOTERGATE!

wwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:24 PM
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15. Thank You, Thank You Zogby!!!
At the bare minimum we must avoid the upcoming 2006 Congressional SUPERMAJORITY that vote fraud will create.
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