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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:12 PM
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BBV Maker Admits ITA Certification a Sham
(Mods: This is a transcript from an interview and had no headline on the site)

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647598&nav=0Ra7JXq2

Amazing candor followed by lying about political donations. A year ago when I called BBV "faith-based voting" I had no idea that even members of the industry view it that way.

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What has increased scrutiny of the BBV industry done for the end user (voter)?

What has that done for the end user? Not a whole lot.

Aren’t there federal standards to ensure that voting systems are accurate, reliable and secure?

Unfortunately the ITA (independent testing authority) has a limited scope in what they can test and check on the system. It is based on time and economics.

So what do ITAs not test?

(Picks up electrical cord.) UL says that this will not shock you and it will not catch fire. They don’t tell you that it actually works. That’s beyond the scope of UL testing. Absolutely nothing will you see in the FEC requirements that this (puts hand on DRE voting machine) has to work. It has to have these functions. But it doesn’t have to work.

State Testing?

We've been somewhat loosely monitored by the states. There's a lot of trust that the vendors are out for the best interest of the local jurisdictions.

Maybe it's just the leap of faith that the states feel that the federal testing authorities have done an adequate job...

Local testing?

Local council, local commissioners typically don't get involved in the evaluation of equipment. And that's not a bad thing.

The core security foundation of BBV

I guess it's just a leap of faith and understanding that what we're doing is what we're presenting to the county. So there is a bit of uncertainty there. There has to be faith in their local election boards. It's one of those areas of a leap of faith. That you really do have to have a faith in your local jurisdiction, that they are conducting equitable elections in the best faith of the voters. The larger the jurisdiction, the more scrutiny should exist.

Partisan politcal ties?

I don't get involved in political donations.

We have records that show, Jim (Sr.), that you made political contributions to State Representative Kathy Richardson, a Republican who first began purchasing MicroVote equipment in 1990 when she was Hamilton County clerk. We understand she also serves as Hamilton County Election Administrator and plans to purchase more MicroVote equipment.

(According to Federal Election Commission records, the senior Ries also made a $1,000 donation to Republican John R. Price’s 1997 campaign run for the U.S. Senate. Price was MicroVote’s attorney for the Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, lawsuit and appeal.)


How does the voter know that his or her vote is counted correctly?

It's one of those areas of a leap of faith. That you really do have to have a faith in your local jurisdiction, that they are conducting equitable elections in the best faith of the voters. The security for the voter, once again, is the acceptance of good judgment by a local board. Quite frankly it's very difficult to convince somebody how do I know my vote counted.

UNFREAKIN' BELIEVABLE!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:16 PM
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1. The voter Fraud story has looong legs
I wonder if that's why the MSM and even Air America are screaming "9-11 conspiracy" stuff? Distractions are nessesary?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:35 PM
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6. Distractions.
They couldn't ignore it, so they went to mocking it. Next, they fight.

Then we win.

(Apologies to M. Ghandi)
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 PM
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2. This is unfit for American elections.
Or anyother elections.
How can we stop our government for going more for this?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 PM
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3. That Any election board approved a BBV without Paper trail
Is grounds for fraud!!! Anybody who placed these machines in their elections should be arrested!!!

They are ridiculous
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:19 PM
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12. arrested and tried for treason
to follow up on louivan's rant.

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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:22 PM
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4. Eliminate exit polling to perfect "faith-based" elections
First, the Repugs pushed "faith-based" vote-"counting" machines on us.

Today, the Repugs began their campaign for completely "faith-based" elections when they began openly pushing to eliminate the only exit poll the media conducts on the grounds that exit polls are "obviously" flawed.

Ironic, eh? Steal the election. Blame exit polls. Banish exit polls. Steal more elections.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:25 PM
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5. Do you think he was more honest than he'd planned?
Or are they just so arrogant that they figure no one will care.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:35 PM
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8. Arrogant.
Exactly what they are. Exactly.

We all know where that leads, ultimately...
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:39 PM
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9. That's the part I can't fathom
from a transcript. Would have to hear the voice and see the body language, especially when they ambushed him with the campaign contribution.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:35 PM
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7. Faith-based voting.
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 PM
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10. Is this Hamilton County, Ohio? n/t
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
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11. Now we know what awol meant about 'faith based initiatives'
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:24 PM
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13. Indeed
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