Arafat dead, just popped up on CBS breaking news

[karlrschneider]

.

[Sannum]

1. Again?

[ender]

3. anyone else reminded of the monty python parrot sketch?

he's NOT DEAD.

sorry ma'am - dead as a door nail.

[xpunkisneatx]

28. ha!

This parrot is dead...he has ceased to exist! :bangs parrot on table:

[neener3]

50. "I'm not dead, yet!"

"Oh, yes you are. Be quiet."

"Bring out your dead..."

[OrwellwasRight]

80. That, sir, is an EX- PARROT

Beautiful plumage, eh?

The plumage don't enter into it. 'E's stone dead.

[natrat]

198. come back here you pansy

[goodboy]

54. E's shuffled off e's mortal coil...he's Ceased-to-be!!!!!

[TahitiNut]

58. 'e's pinin' fo' the fjords!

:eyes:

[AngryAmish]

63. he's just pining

[Forkboy]

133. "It was a pun!"

[jdonaldball]

165. If he's just resting, let's wake him up! (Whacking Yassir's head on table

Hello Yassir! (Whack, whacking Arafat's head on table.) Wake up Yassir! I've got a nice box of bullets for you, Yassir! (Whack whack whack!)

[Dem2theMax]

185. Dang it. That's the second time in three days that I've literally

SPIT on the monitor! I'm howling with laughter at the images.
Bad jdonaldball. You made me laugh at a dead person! :evilgrin:

edited because I'm too tired to spell correctly at almost 4am, and too lazy to use the spell check. :)

[karlrschneider]

6. Maybe...perhaps he's like Al-Zarqwai.....

:eyes:

[0rganism]

2. How many times does one comatose man get to die?

Meanwhile, we can't even get a goddam recount. ;)

[Amaya]

4. No, he died last week ...

right?

[Dickie Flatt]

5. We'll see about that

[karlrschneider]

7. Oh, man...I hate to laugh about this, but I just did...

:eyes:

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

10. Also on MSNBC's home page (source: Al Jazeera)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[The Icon Painter]

243. Why ?

Why do you hate to laugh? Death does not improve a man's character nor change his vices to virtues.

[are_we_united_yet]

93. I tried to be mature when I read this one

But I failed. That was funny Dickie Flatt.

[gmoney]

8. In a related story...

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is valiently holding on in his fight to remain dead.

[countmyvote4real]

37. You beat me to it.

My first reaction is always "again?" and then I remember SNL's first season and their ongoing updates of the Generalissimo's death.

[independentpiney]

180. my first thought too, lol n/t

[Dem2theMax]

187. lmao! Boy, we are a sick bunch, aren't we?

But I love us so. :loveya: :grouphug:

I hope people make sick jokes like this when I die.
It just wouldn't be fun going if people couldn't laugh. ;)

(We have a very sick sense of black humor about death in our family.)
:crazy:

[LosinIt]

9. Next Cat I get I'm naming Arafat

so he will truly have nine lives.

[Fridays Child]

15. Arafat the Kitty Cat. You could call it Fat Cat, for short.

:)

[realcountrymusic]

30. My brother named his

Boutros Boutros Kitty

rcm

[The Sad Little Pony]

191. Damn.

That's a good cat name.

I have one named Batman.

[billyoc]

46. Arafat the Kitty Cat.

In the tablecloth hat!

Ok, ok, I'm going...

[hexola]

11. So I watched 54 minutes of CSI:NY for nothing...

They couldn't wait like two minutes for the show to end??? WTF???

Who did it???

[johnfunk]

13. Arafat did it -- and got killed in revenge

[karlrschneider]

18. The butler, with a candlestick.

:evilgrin:

[reprobate]

22. the father of the dead woman's children

[Momof1]

33. I know...they couldn't wait 5 more freaking mins.

Totally pissed me off!!!

[Scurrilous]

244. CBS apologizes for Arafat bulletin that cut into hit show

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/501071.html

<snip>


"The CBS television network has apologized to viewers for interrupting the last five minutes of a hit detective drama with a special report on the death of Yasser Arafat, saying that news of the Palestinian leader's passing did not warrant preemption of the police series "CSI: NY."

The preemption prompted grumbles from viewers and a number
of CBS affiliates. The show attracts 16.7 million viewers a week and ranks No. 8 in audience size among all shows in prime time.

"An overly aggressive CBS News producer jumped the gun with a report that should have been offered to local stations for their late news. We sincerely regret the error," the network said in a statement.

A network insider said the fact that Arafat had already been reported gravely ill and near death for several days was a factor in the network's judgment that it had erred."

[johnfunk]

12. CNN: Arafat hangs tough in his struggle to remain dead

(with apologies to Chevy Chase)

[Lindsay]

14. MSNBC also sayiing

Arafat pronounced dead.

[mr_hat]

24. No, it's pronounced AIR-uh-fat.

[opiate69]

31. That's fucking funny!

[otohara]

173. LOL

[WestHoustonDem]

16. How do I answer my daughter when she asks

Who is that guy who isn't dead?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

17. cnn.com

> BREAKING NEWS Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dies in a Paris hospital. He was 75 years old. Details soon.

[Moderator]

19. Link:Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6758713

[cal04]

20. CNN / Sky News Headlines

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dies in a Paris hospital. He was 75 years old. Details soon.

ARAFAT PRONOUNCED DEAD'

Yasser Arafat has been officially pronounced dead, several news sources are reporting.

[Jack_DeLeon]

21. For reals? Is he finally dead...

or did his health just finally take the 20th turn for the worst.

[question everything]

45. And now. on Yahoo

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/obit_arafat

[LosinIt]

23. Must be his wife finally got a settlement she was happy with

and said, pull the plug boys.

[IndianaGreen]

25. Who are the Israelis going to blame now that Arafat is gone?

For Israel Arafat was someone to blame for the blowback of Israel's Occupation of Palestine.

That Arafat was a terrorist cannot be denied, but then one could argue that Israel is a terrorist state. That Arafat is beloved by the Palestinians cannot be denied either, but one can also argue (rather convincingly) that Arafat harmed the people he championed, and that he personally profited at their expense.

I won't grief for his passing...

[Catherine Vincent]

26. Are they sure? Did they put a mirror under his nose?

Just wondering...

[high density]

27. BBC News says he's dead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3984841.stm

[realcountrymusic]

29. Who cares! They just replaced another . . .

juror on the Scott Peterson trial jury!

rcm

[Digit]

32. Yep, on msnbc now, too

[Wabbajack]

34. Hopefully the peace proccess will get a jump start now

nt

[Comadreja]

38. That would require another demise

of another fat ugly old terrorist...Sharon

[maddogesq]

53. My sentiments exactly.

I was taught young that too wrongs normally don't make a right.

And, I am not hopeful for any peace process when attention gets diverted in the Middle East to hatred of America because of a jackass bunch of neocons who like to start wars that kill kids and shit.

Goddamit, I wish Clinton or Carter were in there so things could get started again. Then again, maybe the Bushies will have no choice but to send Jimmy over to get it going...Woundn't that be a victory for our side?

[neener3]

35. HELL gains another one...

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lilli]

36. Aljazeera said his death was going to be announced later in the day

and then sort of waffled about him still being alive...saw it a few hours ago

The article sounded like there were committees getting their ducks in a row b4 making the news official

[tnliberaldemocrat]

39. He's dead? Good. May he burn in hell (n/t)

n/t

[MattNC]

40. see ya in hell n/t

[Stew225]

41. Hey, make a mental note of where you were/are

when you heard that Arafat had died. DU! Wow! Really cool, eh?

[CelticWinter]

43. I just read it in the bbc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/890161.stm

[blitzen]

44. Do you freeper Arafat-haters even know anything about him, or...

about the history of modern Palestine--other than what you've gleaned from our wonderully informative and objective news media?

[neener3]

48. You want his liver ???

[AngryAmish]

87. Criminy, snarky comment will wait

However, the world will change.

[IndianaGreen]

49. Jesus is coming back to Israel to convert the Jews

or so it says in the Book of Revelation. That's why the fundies support whatever Israel does, and they hate whoever Israel hates, including the elected leader of the Palestinian people.

The funny thing is that Sharon, Bush, and Kerry all said that they wouldn't deal with Arafat (a neat excuse for not dealing with the Palestinians at all). Now that Arafat is gone, the US and Israel will be forced to either deal with the Palestinians, or drop all pretenses that they want peace above the settlements.

[sabra]

57. Clinton and Barak Tried!!!

They gave him 98% of his requests, and he rejected it. He betrayed his own people. He could have led them to peace, and instead led them down a blind alley to self-destruction and disaster.

[IndianaGreen]

61. That was such a phony offer that Barak made!

Israel must give up Arab Jerusalem, for neither Israel nor Palestine have a monopoly over it.

[Dookus]

73. no sane leader

would've excepted the offer. The palestinians were offered non-contiguous land, no control over the roads between them, and no water.

[blitzen]

74. "The Camp David accords, and then the Oslo process...

tried to persuade the Palestinian leadership that the best they could expect would be limited sovereignty in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with neither territorial integrity nor a capital. Additionally, the Palestinian leaders were asked to forsake the only reason for their struggle since 1948: the right of return of the refugees expelled by Israel in 1948, a right recognized by the United Nations in December 1948. Arafat, Palestinian leader then president, refused to sanction such a deal as a final settlement when asked to do so in the summer of 2000. The people under occupation rose once more in reaction to what they considered the humiliating offer made by President Clinton and Prime Minister Barak that summer."

this is from Ilan Pappe's book "A History of Modern Palestine." He is, by the way, an Israeli Jew, a political science prof at Haifa University

[sabra]

92. Response to your post.

Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital, a return of a limited number of refugees and a compensation for the rest.

Arafat rejected Barak's offer, and refused to make a counter-offer!

And this is from and American/Israeli Jew.

[IndianaGreen]

95. Gush Shalom has a different point of view on Barak's offer

Found here:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html

[Malikshah]

99. Sorry, but we have some lovely parting gifts.

Gush-Shalom, B'etselem, and folks that were actually at the table (and who were *not* politicians) -- i.e. O'Malley and others-- set the record straight about this "generous" offer.

Myth-busting is tiresome but necessary.

[sabra]

112. But there was no counter!

Because the only counter would have been Arafat to state his true intentions of the destruction of Israel.

I shed no tear with his death, my tears go towards the people on both sides who are suffering and killed. My hope is for the future.

[Malikshah]

197. Keep thinking that

if it makes folks feel better

It's false, based upon myths and hatred but whatever gets folks through the days.

Arafat's gone. He was corrupt. He had the hand in the deaths of many.

Sharon's still here. He is corrupt. He has had a hand in the deaths of many.

Until there is a change in leadership on BOTH sides-- it will be more of the same.

Only difference now-- folks won't be able to pin it on Arafat...or will they???

[sabra]

215. Myths ?

I am sorry but when you see footage of him yelling "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad", that doesn't sound like a myth.

Please check out these two links:

http://www.honestreporting.com/m/legacy.asp

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/reports/Yassir_Arafat3_1929-2004.asp

[ashiebr]

217. Dishonest Reporting

When you see him yelling "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" you wonder if he said something like "Unless we get a just settlement, there will be...."

I like the "honest" way that a picture of 9/11 was inserted into the video. So you mean it wasn't Saddam's fault after all? What an appalling propagandist piece. How even more appalling that some Dems seem to go along with it.

[Malikshah]

218. Thanks--

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Myths abound around Camp David II and Clinton, Barak and others seek to perpetuate them.

It truly is a shame, as it simply destroys the path to peace in the region.

[sabra]

227. Your comment could also be applied to UBL...

>> Unless we get a just settlement, there will be
And there was, and continues to be, even last week with an attack in Tel Aviv, where a 16 year suicide bomber killed and wounded several people in a market.

>> I like the "honest" way that a picture of 9/11 was inserted into the video

But where do you think the suicide bomber originated from? But I like your spin trying to convey that video was elluding a connection between Arafat and 9/11. However, if you do recall there was footage of the people in Gaza celebrating in the streets when they heard of the attacks in the US.

[ashiebr]

245. More Dishonesty

The israelis had a choice. Deal with a Arafat and a secular organisation like the PLO, or run the risk of an extremist islamic takeover. Since they encouraged Hamas at its foundation, they presumably preferred the latter course.

Since israel virtually invented modern terrorism at the King David Hotel, I find it a bit rich for either them or "Dishonest Reporting" to try to blame President Arafat for it.

BTW. President Arafat condemned the 9/11 attacks in a very moving speech on that day. Strangely, "Dishonest Reporting" failed to show that clip.

There's only one side spinning on this. And it isn't Palestinians.

[southlandshari]

168. Tiresome, but not entirely thankless!

Because I know I speak for many (including my family in Jerusalem) when I say thank you for continuing to work to dispel the myths of the "generous offers" made to the Palestinians during the past 12 years. Anyone who bothered to read the text of the DOP from '92 would admit they wouldn't accept the terms outlined within. And the "offers" only got worse for the Palestinians from then on.

One of the horrible ironies history will illustrate is that there actually was a group of heroic Palestinian leaders who were acting with honesty and integrity on behalf of the Palestinian people during negotiations back in the early 90's - and their years of efforts were derailed by parallel negotiations involving Arafat's cronies.

Some here know who Hanan Ashrawi and Saeb Erekat are - they are still around. If anyone on this thread remembers Feisal Husseini, I'd love to hear from you. Things could have been very, very different, I believe, if he was still with us.

[mike_c]

211. the devil is in the details...

...i.e. removing the illegal settlements, guaranteeing a Palestinian right of return, Israeli control of Palestinian water, etc. Ask yourself honestly, would YOU have sold out your people to accept such a deal?

[sabra]

216. No, I would just embezzle aid money and teach them hate...

Please check out these two links:

http://www.honestreporting.com/m/legacy.asp

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/reports/Yassir_Arafat3_1929-2004.asp

[Malikshah]

222. ...teach them to hate...*click* teach them to hate....*click*

Hey anyone!??! There's a record that is stuck here.

There are more worthwhile points to discuss concerning Camp David II and the death of Arafat-- the point is to look to future with a clear grasp on what took place in the past.

The onus is now on the Israelis they must now walk the walk without their scapegoat to point to anymore.

[sabra]

228. What is your background?

It's ironic that you mention scapegoat, my family knows alot about scapegoats, with the pogroms in Russia, and my grandfathers entire family being killed in the Holocaust, and a relative being shot killed by a sniper while riding on a bus near Jerusalem, while going to her job as a teacher for autistic children ...

But I do agree with you, the past shouldn't be forgotten, and we should learn from the mistakes, and pray for a brighter future.

[Malikshah]

231. One's background should not shield them from the reality on the ground

One thing I would state, however, my screen name is based upon a figure I study in history.

A brighter future will come when both sides in this battle realize that neither has a monopoly on victimhood or morality-- Arafat relished the victim role--he is gone.

A brighter future will come when both sides recognize their future is now irretrievably combined in a symbiotic fashion-- if one side attempts to remove the other, both will suffer. If one side tries to control the other, both will suffer. If one side neglects the other, both will suffer. If one side attacks the other, both will suffer.

[mike_c]

224. that's not an honest answer...

...it's a glib one. The Palestinians have every good reason to hate the Israelis. Peace will only be possible if both sides give the other reasons to set aside their hatred. The deal Arafat turned down preserved some of the most hateful aspects of the current Palestinian situation-- it was never intended to honestly address those issues, but rather to hide them behind a smokescreen of petty "concessions."

[sabra]

51. World should go into mourning that Arafat died peacefully!

The terrorist got off easy! My only hope is that this will open some new doors towards peace.

[Calico Jack Rackham]

131. Do you consider

Sharon a terrorist as well?

[tnliberaldemocrat]

52. First, I'm certainly no freeper...

and second, the man was a terrorist. Plain and simple.

He has far too much blood on his hands for me to consider the world anything but a better place without him.

If he really gave a damn about the Palestinians he would have agreed to Barak's proposal in 1997 (think I have the year right).

[IndianaGreen]

65. Bush has more innocent blood on his hands than Sharon and Arafat combined

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder!

[tnliberaldemocrat]

70. I agree.

Bush does have more blood on his hands. Doesn't mean I'm gonna think any more of Arafat though.

[OrwellwasRight]

91. Agreed, Green

And I am more than a little disturbed to see some of this Arafat-bashing: "if he really loved his people, he would have..."

While I agree with the sentiment, it can be and must be equally directed at Israeli leaders. Why are there still settlements? Why do the Palestinians have to go through search points to travel from point to point within their own territory? Why do Israeli soldier shoot children weilding rocks?Let's not pretend that Sharon et al. are innocent.

All terrorism is wrong, one side cannot be exempted from judgment.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

97. Some answers....

There are settlements because it's Israeli territory by right of conquest as well as tradition going back thousands of years.

Palestinians go through search points because a small minority gets its kicks by blowing up innocents. If the attacks stopped permanently, I'd be willing to bet the searches would too.

And children getting shot is bad, yes. But the soldiers can't know who's carrying a bomb and who's not. If it were me and I had any doubt in my mind, I'd be shooting too. Again, stop the suicide bombings and you'll see an end to this also.

I never said Sharon, et al, were innocent but they have far less blood than the Palestinian movement.

[IndianaGreen]

105. Right of conquest? Like when Saddam took over Kuwait?

What's the difference between that and what the Israelis did to the Palestinians?

The Palestinians have as much right to kick Israeli ass as the people of Occupied Europe had the right to kick German ass during WWII.

It's the Occupation, stupid!

[tnliberaldemocrat]

113. The difference is...

when Saddam took Kuwait, the world banded together and kicked him out.

When Israel took the territory THAT THE PALESTINIANS HAD LEFT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, the Arab nations banded together and got their own asses kicked.

Why is California and most of the Southwest part of the US? Right of conquest. We took it.

With the exception of the original 13 and the Louisiana Purchase, most of the USA is ours by conquest. Do you claim that that's not our territory?

[IndianaGreen]

We should give it all back

That should get rid of a good chunk of the red states!

[tnliberaldemocrat]

123. No thanks. I live in a red state...

and I'd rather be an American regardless of who's running things.

[Imperialism Inc.]

114. Less blood in terms of raw number of kills?

Sorry but that is not correct.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

119. How many Israelis have died...

over the years due to Palestinians?

1972 - Munich
suicide bombings for years that have killed thousands.
Wars against Israel in 1948, 1967, 1973
Need I go on?

[chappaquadem]

186. Palestinians

And how many Palestinian lives have been ruined by Israeli actions? How about Deir Yassin and the massacres in 48? How about Sharon's attacks in southern Lebanon? This tit fot tat and bean counting could go on forever. Nothing will get solved this way. And US support for one group over the other has only increased the tension.

[sabra]

98. I am no Sharon fan, but...

Arafat rejected Baraks offer,who was from the leftist Labor Party. The terrorists attacks continued, and the people looked at Sharon as the answer. Where they correct with that assertion, I don't know?

[IndianaGreen]

108. Barak build a lot of settlements in the Occupied Territories

As a matter of fact, Labor has build as many settlements as the Likud has. Neither party seems able to stop settlement expansion.

[neener3]

152. It's a mess over there, fer sure.

[Malikshah]

102. Sharon has more, but Bush is indeed first in line of the three

and it was 1999-2000 approximately-- more accurately 2000.

Now that Arafat's gone, one can only hope that Sharon will fall from grace (preferably in a deep dark hole someplace) and a peace process can begin.

[neener3]

56. Genesis 12:1-3

1 The LORD had said to Abram, “Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;

[IndianaGreen]

59. The Bible is mythological bunk

I will point out that Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. The Arabs see Ishmael as their patriarch, so when you curse the Arabs, you become accursed of GAWD (using your biblical logic).

[neener3]

68. Only one son of promise....

GENESIS 17

17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”
19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.  I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 but my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”

[IndianaGreen]

77. Who wrote Genesis, and when?

I will give you a BIG HINT: The Book of Genesis was written AFTER the Book of Exodus.

[johnfunk]

107. And you know the authors of the Bible were referring to Bob Dobbs!

Three-fisted Tales of Bob, Chapter 237, Verse 1:

"Slack-filled young men and women of Yeti descent who are spread, SEEMINGLY randomly, throughout the breakthinking world, but are bent on breaching all Earthly human political and cultural barriers with the searing nonhuman truth of The Word of 'Bob': J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs, that LIVING GOD WHO WALKS THIS PLANET EARTH IN SALESMAN'S SHOES."

So what're you waiting for? Get ordained now! The Church of the SubGenius™ -- the only church that offers you Eternal Salvation or triple your money back!!

[semillama]

204. I knew I wasn't the only Yetisyn here

Praise "Bob" and pass the ammo!!!


We just need to adopt Rollins' idea of air dropping Ramones albums into the occupied territories and Israel, with different albums in each, so the youth have to trade with each other to get to listen to new albums.

[independentpiney]

183. And the people feasted upon fruit bats and tree sloths

and breakfast cereals

[Dr Batsen D Belfry]

190. Skip a bit, brother... N/T

[Throckmorton]

205. First thou shall pull out the holy pin ... N/T

[OrwellwasRight]

226. 1, 2, 5!... 3, sir. ... 3! n/t

[blitzen]

60. Do you really take that fictional narrative seriously? get a grip...

on reality!

[IndianaGreen]

64. GAWD made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

I just thought I mention some of the other biblical bullshit that fundies are fond of saying.

[neener3]

76. Bite me

[tnliberaldemocrat]

81. This liberal Democrat...

takes it seriously.

Do I believe the Bible verbatim? No. Do I believe in God and Jesus Christ? Hell yes.

Keep in mind when you make statements like that, you're insulting not just freeper Republican types, but many fellow Democrats.

[IndianaGreen]

83. Had Jesus been born today, he would be a Palestinian

Bethlehem is a Palestinian town under Israeli Occupation. Re-read your Gospels substituting Israelis for Romans and Palestinians for Jews, and you will get a new perspective on the Passion.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

90. He might be Palestinian by location of birth..

but he would be a Jew. And an Israeli citizen.

[IndianaGreen]

116. There are some questions as to who his real father was...

Some scholars have speculated that Jesus was the out of wedlock son of a Roman soldier and Mary. Mixed parentage would have denied Jesus Israeli citizenship as Israel does today to Israeli women that dare marry Israeli-Arabs.

[neener3]

120. Some scholars...

.... believe OJ was innocent and Bush beat Gore.

[IndianaGreen]

122. I don't recall Jesus ever referring to his mother as...

my mother the Virgin Miriam. It is not even mentioned in the Book of Acts! Obviously that belief system came much later after all the major players were gone!

[neener3]

132. Read

J. Gresham Machen, The Virgin Birth of Christ

BTW, in Luke the term is parthenos (virgin) and Luke wrote Acts

[IndianaGreen]

143. How do you explain Jesus's brothers and sisters?

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.

Matthew 12:46

Where they adopted? Of course not!

Remember when Kerry quoted the stuff about faith without works. It comes from the Epistle of James, who was Jesus's brother (one of them anyway).

[neener3]

149. In deference to Mod post #138

I'll save this debate for another forum.

Shalom

[IndianaGreen]

154. In deference to Mod post #138

I will defer as well...

Shalom

[neener3]

157. I enjoyed the debate, IndianaGreen

Have a great evening.

n3

[IndianaGreen]

159. You too!

I hope that Arafat's passing opens the door to an enlightened Palestinian leadership that will work for a just and fair peace and reject violence.

We need the same on the Israeli side.

I am not holding my breath...

[uppityperson]

160. define "virgin"

one of the original meanings was belongs to no man. She was not under her father's rule and was not under a husband's rule. She was independent, regardless of sexual activity. the "unused" definition came later and is applied to not only sex but stuffed toy stuffing and wool used in sweaters ( if it says virgin, it means it has not been used before). I like to be an old fogey and go with the belonging to no man definition.

Thought criminal.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

121. Maybe so.

Personally, I believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

And can you back up the claim about citizenship being denied? Israeli Arabs, to my understanding, have full citizenship rights, same as anyone else.

[IndianaGreen]

125. Israeli-Arabs are second class citizens!

Even their identity cards are different from the ones of regular Israelis.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

128. Their cards look different. Uh-huh.

My drivers license looks different from other states. Am I a second-class citizen?

[IndianaGreen]

135. If you are gay or lesbian, you are a second class citizen

The fact remains that Israeli-Arabs have to carry different identity cards than Israeli Jews, and are subjected to harassment and discrimination.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

140. Harassment doesn't equal second-class.

I'm all in favor of gay rights (I have a gay sibling) but if someone harasses him/her it doesn't make them less equal.

Agsin, what discrimination? I'm waiting for an answer.

[IndianaGreen]

144. Sexual orientation is not a protected class in federal civil rights laws

and gays and lesbians have no marriage rights like heteros do. That's second class citizenship!

[tnliberaldemocrat]

153. Look, I'm in favor of civil unions myself...

I admit I'm not comfortable with calling it gay marriage. Yes, I know it doesn't hurt me at all, it's just how I feel.

Gay men and women can marry members of the opposite sex. That's equal protection under the law, so they technically have the same rights as heteros. I couldn't marry a guy if I wanted to (and I wouldn't) so the law is applied equally.

[tnliberaldemocrat]

158. Just saw post 138...

I'll wrap this one up. Feel free to message me if you want to discuss further.

[IndianaGreen]

161. Catch you on the rebound!

Like the Chinese curse, we are living in interesting times.

Good night!

[tnliberaldemocrat]

162. Amen to that! (n/t)

n/t

[southlandshari]

170. You would be (a second class citizen)

if your id card was different than that of your next door neighbor, and that difference was directly related to the difference in your race or religion.

Come on. The state-to-state driver's license comparison is not at all the same thing as an Israeli Jew and Israeli Arab having different id cards (representing a different set of rights and privileges). You can see that, can't you?

[Bamboose]

200. if you're not from Texas

. . . you sure are a second-rater! ;)

(JK)

[neener3]

96. Read the Bible

substituting Martians for Jews and Plutoites for Romans and you will get a new perspective on Astrophysics.


He would not be ethnically Palestinian.

[IndianaGreen]

101. I have read it, digested it, and regurgitated it

and I found that regardless of what the Bible may do to influence people in their own personal behaviour, it still remains a fact that the Bible is a lousy science book and political manual.

Religion is a private matter!

[neener3]

110. Religion is a private matter!

You sure tout yours AND slam others "Mr. Religion is a private matter"

BWAHAHA

Bite Me.

[IndianaGreen]

127. Actually I prefer Marx's characterization of religion

The quote about religion being a private matter comes from Lenin.

[neener3]

136. Lenin / Lennon... Who cares...

If it is a private matter for you... why are you debating me. Just keep your religious view private and you will be consistent with your principles.

It's not that hard.

[IndianaGreen]

145. You are using religion to justify the oppression of the Palestinians

and using the Bible to excuse the Occupation.

[olddad56]

174. Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell.....

Spirituality is for people who have been there. All of these people who call themselves Christians and support the right wing fanatics in Washington, are not followers of Jesus Christ. There is nothing Christ like about them. They are biblical literalists and they are idiots.

[Seabiscuit]

147. Agreed.

Without indulging in this argument, which I care nothing about, this post rings absolutely true.

Especially "Religion is a private matter." I don't discuss my religious beliefs with anyone but my wife. I would be the last person on the planet to attempt to proselytize them, despite the fact that my beliefs are probably far stronger and far more based in reality than most religious beliefs on this planet.

I will only admit to the following: I am not a dumbed-down dimwitted slave to *any* organized religion.

Is Jesus the Son of God? I don't know. Does anyone? No. They can believe it or not. Does it matter? Apparently, today, only where politics are concerned. If I were Jesus I'd consider this blasphemy.

[blitzen]

86. One can say that Genesis is a fiction without...

denying the existence of God and the historical reality of Christ. I would bet that virtually all non-fundie Bible scholars will tell you flat out that it is a fiction (in fact it is several fictions from different eras pieced together by a later editor).

[tnliberaldemocrat]

88. True, but the way you asked the question...

made it come across as a personal insult to Democrats like myself who are practicing Christians.

I'm sure no insult was intended, though.

[blitzen]

94. no offense intended....i was referring to the actual freeper's...

claim that he was justified in cursing Arafat because the Bible told him so. (Although I am not a believer, I do think there is a lot of gold stuff in the Bible.)

[Bamboose]

199. what you and Neener said

The Christian-bashing that happens here sporadically makes me uncomfortable. (I think it should go without saying that the liberal-bashing on other sites makes me even MORE uncomfortable.)

[Scurrilous]

62. Arafat died at age 75....

...that's some slow-ass curse.

[neener3]

79. This next year is gonna be HELL for him!

[foo_bar]

104. in the words of Eddie Izzard

But there were other mass murderers that got away with it! Stalin killed many millions, died in his bed, well done there; Pol Pot killed 1.7 million Cambodians, died under house arrest at age 72, well done indeed! And the reason we let them get away with it is because they killed their own people, and we're sort of fine with that. “Ah, help yourself,” you know? “We've been trying to kill you for ages!” So kill your own people, right on there. Seems to be… Hitler killed people next door... “Oh… stupid man!” After a couple of years, we won't stand for that, will we?

http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html

[coeur_de_lion]

169. I totally love that quote by Izzard

My sister just turned me on to him a few weeks ago. I watched "Dress to Kill" 3 times. Found something new to laugh at each time.

He also said:
It looks like George Bush is going with the Sharon idea which is "okay, you hit us, we'll hit you," and then they'll come back and hit America and America hits Al Qaeda, and then Al Qaeda hits America and it just goes on and on and on. All the talking- bizarrely with Palestine and Israel it looked like they were almost in agreement and it unravels till a point of what looks like all out war, practically, on the ground, it isn't like that- its more like Northern Ireland - sporadic stuff and you watch it on the telly and say "my god the two countries are entirely in flames."
http://review.dvdtalk.com/eddieizzardinterview.html

[Seabiscuit]

139. Who's "Abram"???

The Old Testament was a compilation of a lot of historical documents, most of which are simply devoted to glorifying the Hebrews through deifications and vilifying all those damned Assyrians and Arabs they were constantly at war with. As a historical document and as a polemical text, it's virtually indistinguishable from the Koran - just opposite sides of the fence.

[neener3]

141. Abram was his name

before he was renamed Abraham (Father of a nation)

[Seabiscuit]

150. Renamed by whom? Does anyone really know?

The Old Testament and scholastic works about the Old Testament are so full of vagaries, ass-umptions, self-justifying prophecies and contradictions that who the fuck knows anything for sure about it?

[independentpiney]

188. Book of Armaments 2:9-21

And the Lord spake saying
First shall thy take out the holy pin
Then shall thou count to three, no more no less
Three shall be the number thou shalt count
And the number of the counting shall be three
Four shalt thy not count, neither shall thy count two
Excepting that thou then precedeth to three
Once the number three, being the third number reached
Then lobbest thy the holy hand grenade at thy foe
Who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

[DS1]

208. Goodbye scriptures, hello ignore

I never want to have to see someone quoting the bible on this place.

[4dsc]

194. Most rely upon revisionist history

as told by the Israeri's and American press. Most do not understand or want to understand the circumstances in which Arafat had to fight and why he fought..

[tinanator]

196. kinda makes you proud to post on the same forum dont it?

not? should I be wearing sheets or something?
You media eating hillbillies and Sharonists deserve your lord king god Bush. The rest of us do not.

[neener3]

47. Betcha he won't be an organ donor...

[Jack_DeLeon]

55. wow finally...

this is no shens...

its about time, I was wondering how long the death watch would last.

[Isere]

66. Ding dong!

Ding, dong the witch is dead!

This is a man who failed to rise to every occasion. What a waste.
Let's hope his replacement will do a better job for the Palestinian people and lead them to peace.

[Dookus]

75. And the other Witch to the West lives...

Sharon has failed just as miserably. Let's hope the Israelis will pick a better replacement to lead them to peace.

[ButterflyBlood]

67. good news for the Palestinean people

I pray they choose a more reasonable replacement. Now if only that other terrorist Sharon would go.

[whirlygigspin]

78. reminds me of the wizard of Oz

"As coroner I can attest,
not only is he surely dead,
he's really fully truly dead."

or something like that...

[Bamboose]

201. are we sure . . .

that he's not just Mostly Dead? I've been taken in by that trick a time or two.

[Algorem]

69. Who will Ringo Starr look like now?

[Bamboose]

202. Ringo

Damn, that is FUNNY!

[Solafide]

71. Are you sure?

Maybe just a way to seek out of the country...

[AlFrankenFan]

72. CNN Headline News 24/7 news ticker says it too n/t

[Fleshdancer]

82. I got the ABC breaking news email about it.

Sounds like this one is true this time. Now what?

[Alan Smithee]

84. Any word on Francisco Franco? How's he doing? n/t

[phylny]

181. That's EXACTLY what I was thinking last week!

I remember the SNL sketches, too.

"Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

http://www.fact-index.com/g/ge/generalissimo_francisco_franco_is_still_dead.html

[getoffmytrain]

85. waaaaaaaa

not!

[are_we_united_yet]

89. Is he dead?

or did he just pop up?

:shrug:

[Matilda]

109. Dead.

ABC News Sydney:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

I think he's been dead for at least a few days - I think they had
to keep him alive by machines until they sorted out where he is to
be buried.

Under Muslim law, he must be buried within 24 hours, but as Sharon
said he couldn't be buried in Jerusalem, they had to find another
acceptable place. They couldn't sort it out after he died, because
there wouldn't have been time.

I've heard that his funeral will be held in Cairo, and he is to be
buried in Ramallah. The Palestinians plan to turn his burial place
into a shrine, which is a bit of nose-thumbing at the Israelis.

[oldmanpeacenik]

100. Can't say I'll miss the bastard

...and I still can't believe he got a Nobel Prize. What a joke that turned out to be.

This shouldn't be taken as an endorsement of Sharon. I just think Arafat was a thug, and I hope someone more respectable comes up to lead the Palestinians.

[Senator Lamb]

111. even if your sympathetic to palestine

arafat was a terrorist, did not try hard for peace, refused baraks offer and ran a corrupt governent where much of the aid of the palestinan people was misdirected to his thugs. he was not for reform or democracy, he supported saddam hussein in the first gulf war. nuff said. arafat goodbye, now its time to get back to the peace table.

[Maine Mary]

103. I'm SHOCKED at many of these responses

IMHO, some of them went FAR beyond the bounds of decency. No matter what one's opinions are of Arafat's actions during his life, is it really appropriate to make fun of the death of a fellow human being? Whether you agree with him or not; this was a man who stuck to his convictions right or wrong despite much adversity to the day he died.

[neener3]

118. Substitute

Hitler for Arafat in your post and see if it make sense.

[Calico Jack Rackham]

142. Substitute

Sharon for Arafat and see if it comes out any better.

[neener3]

146. I am no fan of Ariel Sharron

I do think Anwar Sadat was a great man

[oldmanpeacenik]

124. Not sure I see the point.

Lots of people stuck to their convictions right up until the day they died. Here are a few:

Mother Teresa
Martin Luther King
Gandhi

And here are some others:

Adolf Hitler
Josef Stalin
Chairman Mao

W will probably stick to his convictions forever too. Doesn't make him right--not if they're the wrong convictions.

I think the world will probably be a better place without Arafat (though it's not guaranteed--depends on what happens next in the occupied territories). Hell, we didn't even have to have another damned war to rid ourselves of the bastard.

[neener3]

126. Good post

Burying him amid the rubble of Ramallah makes sense. You don't even need a back hoe.

[oldmanpeacenik]

129. Actually....

I worry about burying him in the compound. One day some Israeli troops will end up attacking that area (justifiably or not) and messing up Arafat's grave. The excrement's really gonna hit the fan then.

[Maine Mary]

175. OK I confess... I'm a Christian

I guess that's my problem because again, IMHO I just don't feel comfortable passing judgement on the dead. (BTW liberal Christians do exist despite what the right wants you to beleive)

Personally I feel that we are better off w/out Hitler, Stalin Chairman Mao to name just a few. And I also personally think the world will always miss Mother Theresa, MLK, and Ghandi (again just to name a few.)

But I also beleive that though they may be fair game for either our wrath or exaltation on this earth, their fate belongs to a higher power upon their death.

As I origionally mentioned, I was "shocked" by some of the responses and I still am despite some of excellent points made.

[Clarkie1]

137. He stuck by his convictions to kill innocent men, women, and children

[IndianaGreen]

148. Just like Clinton did when he bombed and starved Iraq for 8 years

not to mention the million children that died as a direct result of the US enforced UN embargo.

[JudyM]

166. Bush stands by his convictions, too. In my view, that's not character.

[peterh]

106. Is he totally dead….

Or is he just mostly dead….:evilgrin:

[uppityperson]

155. totally, not sort of or mostly

sorry.

sincerely, Miracle Max

[Clarkie1]

115. One more dead terrorist

[foo_bar]

117. duplicate thread ;)

[kuozzman]

130. I'm watching him live right now.

[Seabiscuit]

134. Saw this on the Washington Post website:

I don't get it. Did Arafart really want a Palestinian State??? Clinton handed him one on a silver platter and he spat back. Then after he initiated waves of suicide bombings of innocent Israeli civilians, Israeli voters chose Sharon to crush Arafart, and after Sharon attacked, Arafart begged for the terms hammered out with the former Israeli Prime Minister and Clinton, but by then it was too late.

This POS Arafart screwed the Palestinian cause blue. I can't believe this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41509-2004Nov10.html?sub=AR

[Moderator]

138. ATTENTION

Please keep this thread strictly to discussion of his death and what that may mean. Any more diversions into who's a bigger terrorist or purely Palestinian/Israeli debates such as go on in the I/P forum will result in this thread's being locked.

Thank you.

[Divine Discontent]

164. well, I sort of agree, but...

the main leader of the Palestinians just died, so it's breaking news and will be for the next day. I hope the thread will not be locked, I don't think you can mention his death without some type of comment of what may occur.

[peterh]

151. In case anyone had even the slightest inclination to wonder….

The crude market could care less…..:shrug:


DJ MARKET TALK: Nymex Crude Little Changed On Arafat

(Dow Jones)--December Nymex crude off 14 cents on Access at $48.72/bbl but
little changed on word of Arafat's death; his passing won't surprise markets
given rapid deterioration in health in recent days. Still, may be a negative for
oil price at the margin - when there were rumors of his death a few days ago it
helped push oil lower on hopes it'd clear way for some progress on Middle East
peace; at same time, lack of clear successor to Arafat may limit any
downside.(RXM)

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[IndianaGreen]

156. There is no oil in Israel or in Palestine

which in a way it is a good thing, otherwise our troops would have invaded the place a long time ago.

[Divine Discontent]

163. God bless...

and I suppose good riddance. He had his good times, and plenty of bad. I use to think of him being a positive figure when I was younger, but he sure went nuts with terrorism, sadly, I can't comprehend how these people feel trying to have a land to call their own.

perhaps things will get better now he's gone....

or the Israelis will just kill the Palestinians off tomorrow with Bush's blessing.

[Seabiscuit]

176. I suppose I agree with about everything you say...

but mostly, "good riddance"... I can't get the image of the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre of the Israeli athletes out of my mind. Arafart arranged that. He screwed the Palestinian cause then and he's screwed it ever since. Yes, for the Palestinians, "good riddance". They need a leader who will sit down and carve out a deal with the United States, Israel, and the United Nations to create a true Palestinian state which can live in peace with Israel. One which will provide U.N. intervention to curb all those Arafat-created offshoot terrorist groups associated with the Palestinians, but which cause them, in the end, nothing but grief, death, and horror.

[Matilda]

167. No, but there's water in Palestine, and the Israelis want it.

n/t

[Bamboose]

203. hmmm

The Dow, the S&P, and the Nasdaq are all up too.

[Rebel47]

171. He isn't scheduled to die until next week!

But first he has to give his Last interview!

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

172. George Washington was a Terrorist in the eyes of the British

I'm not crying over Arafat's death but it's no big "fuck yeah Bro" either!

Arafat was wrong in fighting a wrong with dirty sneaky tactics
...but that's just what the fighters of the American Revolution did.
Survival knows no rules.
Terror is truly in the eye of the beholder.

Maybe the next generation will move past the primal root way of being and get their dragging knuckles up off the ground by standing up and evolving into humans.
me kill you, you land my land,me right you wrong,

THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF BRAIN DEAD IDIOTS..Israeli leaders and Palestinian alike
--modern history's full of idiotic leaders-look what we've got as a "leader"-- a war criminal who's responsible for an unprovoked invasion that killed over 100,000 citizens--by the way these were human lives--doesn't matter what "team" they were on.
Let's hope the world grows the hell up and replaces them with people who respect the right of others to live their lives.

[malaise]

177. Arafat's last days

Yet again the French demonstrate that they show respect for humanity. Their willingness to welcome Arafat and the respect shown to the leader of the Palestinian people for four decades is a welcome change from the so called leaders of the free world.

My views on Arafat are irrelevant - he put the struggle of his people on the world agenda. May his people live in peace.

How ironic that CNN switched to its British commentators to find an objective view on Arafat. That in itself speaks volumes about CNN.
The BBC is once again putting them to shame.

[neener3]

206. French demonstrate that they show respect for humanity ???

ONLY if they poisoned Arafat. That would show respect for humanity. Arafat sure didn't.

Hope they bury him in a bombed out school bus in a pool of blood from his victims.

[malaise]

210. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

And will you bury Sharon in one of the many shells from the plethora of missiles he used to slaughter Palestinian people?

[Stephanjnj]

178. That's what they said about Franco

about 3 or 4 years before he finally taken off life support.

[Tight_rope]

179. It's about damn time...shit...thought this was going to go on for months!

[Merlin]

182. That wasn't Arafat who died. It was one of his doubles.

Yassir Lives!

:evilgrin:

[neener3]

184. Arafat summoned to the Board Room

"Yessir, You're FRIED!"

[matcom]

189. do any of you people actually know ANYTHING about Arafat?

for example, did you know that the Palestinians were not even referred to as "Palestinians" before Arafat came along rather simply "Refugees"?

they, as a people had been thrown to the curb.

i'm not suggesting he was a good man or leader but he DID give a people long forgotten a voice and a purpose.

i'm not suggesting praise for the man but good GAWD there are pretty ignorant people here :eyes:

[righteous1]

192. Voice

Yea he gave them a voice alright by leaving us with the wonderful legacy of terrorism. Have you forgotten Munich, Ma'Alot (where btw he ordered 21 women and children in a school machine gunned to death)The man was an animal, a terrorist down to his bones. He was corrupt stealing millions from the Palestinian people, a liar (broke every single agreement ever made with him)and a dictator. I would suggest you do some research from 1965 on before you give this guy credit for anything. You go ahead and weep for this monster, I'll save my tears for the thousnads of his victims

[matcom]

193. i'm not weeping for anyone

reread my post.

now, when Sharon shits the bed we will have 2 terrorists dead

[righteous1]

195. metaphor

I know you were not actually weeping for him, but you were defending him "weeping" was a metaphor

[tjdee]

221. Why do you assume no one knows anything about him?

Perhaps they do know about him and STILL feel as they do?

[srk6969]

229. Terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist

Ummm Excuse me while I grab a tall brew in celebration of the death of the father of terrorism! My son is over in fallujah right now trying to clean up that mess he ultimately started!

[matcom]

234. you talking about our President?

i assume you are. if you REALLY think Arafat "started" Fallujah, you are a REALLY misinformed person :eyes:

[srk6969]

237. I never said he started fallujah

I said he is the Author (father) of terrorism as we know it today. Fallujah is just the granchild of his legacy!
Lets see look at one of if not his first act of terror in the 60's i believe. Ma'Alot (where btw he ordered 21 women and children in a school machine gunned to death)
And then the birth of terrorism just blossomed.
Ignorance is admiration of people like Arafat, Hitler, Stalin and Osama!

[matcom]

238. no. sorry.

that is a rediculous statement.

you might try looking elsewhere. say, Saudi Arabia? The Ivory Coast?

and i got news for you (btw, I am a Vet) - your son isn't fighting as many "terrorists" as he is civilians defending their homes. i am sorry for that.

[srk6969]

239. Tell me how

You know that my son isn't fighting terrorists! Is your ass over there right now? Please tell us all how you know what my son and those men are doing right now!

[matcom]

240. because i am educated

and i read

and i question my government

and i have spoken face to face with experts (my father being one)

and i know when i am being lied to.

[Name removed]

241. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[matcom]

242. don't know why your laughing

its YOUR son getting shot at

[LynnTheDem]

236. Good grief.

What total ignorance.

[wordout]

207. Arafat's two purposes are(were) these:

1. To bring forth Arab leaders who are true enemies of the Pope's Zionist Israel in order to be identified and executed by the Mossad around the world. The principle of smiting the shepherd and scattering the sheep is fully employed.


2. To be used to create sympathy for "the rights of the Palestinians" resulting in anti Jewish fury in all nations harboring a large Jewish population. The purpose for this calculated agitation is to drive back the Jewish People to Israel for their attempted mass murder in the future by the final Pope who will rule the world from the Third Temple yet to be rebuilt.

Arafat is(was)the key presently being used by the Jesuit General's International Press to create massive anti Jewish fury within the United States and in Europe.

http://www.whale.to/b/phelps_q.html

[IndianaGreen]

209. Statement of Meretz USA on the Death of Yasser Arafat

Statement of Meretz USA on the Death of Yasser Arafat

New York, NY....The following statement was issued by Harold M. Shapiro, Chair, and Charney V. Bromberg, Executive Director of Meretz USA, upon the passing of Yasser Arafat.

“The death of Yasser Arafat brings to a close the remarkable and problematic career of the father of the Palestinian national movement. His long-term quest to unify the many disparate elements of the Palestinian polity is diminished by his failure, in his later years, to unambiguously make the personal and national choice for the peaceful partition of lands claimed by both the Israeli and Palestinian people.

“Prime Minister Sharon’s proposal for unilateral disengagement from Gaza was premised on the assertion that a Palestinian negotiating partner was lacking. Arafat’s passing means that this premise must now be put to the test. Among the leaders of the Palestinian Authority most likely to assume leadership are several who have, over the past four years, consistently and vigorously denounced terror and the second intifada as contrary to Palestinian national interests. Now, we look to them to take concrete measures to stem violence.

“We call on the President of the United States, who has reiterated his commitment to the creation of a viable, contiguous Palestinian state, to support quick elections which will legitimize the new leaders, and bring Israel and the Palestinian Authority back to the negotiating table without undue delay. We call upon our government, the government of Israel, and the Palestinian Authority to accept the challenge and rewards of direct negotiation which can lead to the end of occupation, the settlement of all claims, and recognized and permanent borders for Israel and a Palestinian state: in a word, peace.”

http://www.meretzusa.org/cgi-docs/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&ID=100&view_records=1&ww=1

[superconnected]

212. Better late than never

Okay, it would have been better earlier.

Note: Another anti-peace-people-supressing-blood-trail-bigger-than-any-serial-killer-leaving-world-leader, dead of old age.

See what a pact with the devil gets you.

[sakabatou]

213. May he burn in hell for all eternity (n/t)

[IndianaGreen]

214. There is no such place!

Another myth created to keep people in line!

[righteous1]

219. So sure

A wise man once said" A man who is so completely sure of that which is not known is almost always wrong but is rarely proven so"

[neener3]

220. There has to be a HELL ....

... no less punishment is warranted for the people who developed Windows Me !

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

223. Hell 'o burton...hell on earth

Hell is what you make it

[sakabatou]

225. In line?

I really don't know what you're talking about... but you understand what I mean. He doesn't deserve to go into Paradise (if there is one).

[srk6969]

230. wanna bet

Hell is sitting here watching the news reports of the fighting in fallujah when your son is in the middle of it trying to eliminate the terrorists.
Hell is going up town and seeing the military vans driving down the road going to someones house to notify them their son or daughter has been KIA, and not knowing if it is going to your house or your neighbors!
I fully support my son and his platoon and the troops! And it isn't anything like the media is reporting on tv. Most of what my son has been doing has been good things over there like building schools, distributing food, medicines, and helping people. Just the luck of the draw that this week he got to go root out the terrorists in fallujah!

[Name removed]

232. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sweetheart]

233. they should cremate him and spread his ashes in jerusalem...

gaza and the west bank, even throwing some of the ashes at the wall.

The man's final wishes would surely blow with his ashes.

Burying him and his aspirations strikes as all too symbolic.

[LynnTheDem]

235. Arafat, Nobel Peace Prize winner...

more of a hero than a terrorist to most the world. Except Israel & America.

ANd Sharon was indicted for terrorism by his own government.

But saying any of these facts means you're "anti-semitic", say the rightwingnuts.

[alank]

246. Yasser Arafat: A Fitting Eulogy

Consider this "eulogy" of Yasser Arafat in the Ottawa Citizen on Saturday Nov. 13 , (Ottawa is Canada's national capital) written by David Warren. The condensed salient points are:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"He was a monster: a man with the blood of thousands on his hands, who never cared to wash them. A man who led a whole people, the Palestinian Arabs whom he ruled as feudal lord, into a pit of hopeless squalor."

"The Syrian defense minister, for instance, once memorably called him "the son of sixty thousand whores."

"He left bloodlakes behind him when he was taken in and sheltered in Amman, and Beirut. His Black September pioneered the modern arts of aircraft hijacking and hostage butchery. The Intifadas he launched ended or destroyed the lives of countless innocents, Jewish, Christian and Muslim alike."

"It is not as if the world lacks heroes. There is no need to elevate a skunk."
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Except for the one comment on Bush below (you don't need to like Bush to dislike Arafat), I couldn't agree more with David Warren. Please let me know if you disagree.

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The world should be glad to see the back of Arafat

Yasser Arafat is still too freshly dead for anyone to be rendering the judgment of history. Ignore all obituaries. Look instead at that procession of the self-appointed great and wise, to Cairo and Ramallah (excluding minor officials, sent as part of their diplomatic duties). A self-selected rogues' gallery of the planet's most deceitful and self-serving politicians, gone to see and be seen at a carnival of hypocrisy.

But the late PLO chief was more than "a bit of a rogue." He was a monster: a man with the blood of thousands on his hands, who never cared to wash them. A man who led a whole people, the Palestinian Arabs whom he ruled as feudal lord, into a pit of hopeless squalor.

Arafat's popularity in the Arab world, which our media take so much for granted, was actually rather slight and selective. The Syrian defense minister, for instance, once memorably called him "the son of sixty thousand whores." (And something was probably lost in the translation from Arabic.) There were much different views about Arafat on and off the record, almost everywhere in the Middle East.

Of all his interviewers, I think only Oriana Fallaci, that wild Italian anarchist, captured the essence of the man, right down to the spittle streaming from his mouth, which no one else ever mentioned. Arafat intimidated; the journalists flattered. But as my colleague Lorne Gunter said in an excellent column, you have to read the flattering obituary of Josef Stalin in The New York Times for March 6, 1953, to fully appreciate the hushed tones of respect for the late Arafat today -- in the Times of New York or London, on the CBC and almost everywhere else. Barbara Plett of the BBC actually cried when the helicopter took the old guy away from Ramallah, on the first leg of his last journey. Some 150 million listeners to the World Service got to hear about that. (The BBC is about to fire half its staff to make ends meet; and she is not even among my candidates for the first row.)

I know, today's column is turning into a rant. Well, so it goes.

There was no excuse for anyone to flatter or appease this monster, in life or in death. His narcissism and corruption were his most attractive qualities. He left bloodlakes behind him when he was taken in and sheltered in Amman, and Beirut. His Black September pioneered the modern arts of aircraft hijacking and hostage butchery. The Intifadas he launched ended or destroyed the lives of countless innocents, Jewish, Christian and Muslim alike.

The hushed tones of respect -- whether from the CBC and affiliates, or from Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, Jacques Chirac -- is indicative of a posturing moral attitude that stinks to heaven.

And yet, what is new about it? The whole 20th century was a story of the charnel house, yet throughout, the self-appointed moral elect worshiped the icons of mass-destruction -- Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Che Guevara. "Islamism" appears ready to provide the 21st century with what Communism gave the one before; and the seedy old Marxist fellow-travellers of our media and academy have long since begun making their adjustments, and genuflecting to the cool new revolutionary gods. Their rhetorical hit list consists of the same old suspects -- the decent bourgeois politicians trying to defend their peoples from harm: the Bushes, Blairs, Berlusconis, Howards, Aznars.

The world should be glad to see the back of Arafat.

It should be said that the person who spits at the mention of George W. Bush, but weeps for Yasser Arafat, is beyond twitting. Such a person is sick in the head. He represents a form of judgment so totally inverted as to be indistinguishable from madness. And yet among our intellectuals, this inversion is commonplace.

"By their works ye shall know them." Look at the actual achievements of such a "hero" as Yasser Arafat. Go to the website of the Israeli foreign ministry and read a few dozen obituaries of the women and children and old men blown to pieces in the buses and pizzerias of Jerusalem.

At the moment, U.S. marines and soldiers, with freshly-trained Iraqi units, are picking their way house by house through Fallujah, trying to save Iraq from the ministrations of another generation of Arafat's terrorist progeny, now matured into full religious crazies. Good and brave men and women have put their lives on the line, to prevent another triumph of evil.

It is not as if the world lacks heroes. There is no need to elevate a skunk."

© The Ottawa Citizen 2004