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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:16 AM
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Paul O'Neill: A New Idea for Social Security (give all kids 2k per year!)
For those that remember the GOP/media put down of the Dem 1972 proposal to give everyone $1000 per year (similiar to Canada's Mothers benefit at that time - but universal), the new idea of the gov taxing folks so as to give all kids 18 and under $2000 per year while they are 18 or under, to be put in a stock market investment account that they can not touch until 65, would seem to be deja vue!

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-oneill15feb15.story
COMMENTARY
A New Idea for Social Security
By Paul H. O'Neill
Paul H. O'Neill was Treasury secretary in the Bush administration from January 2001 to December 2002.

February 15, 2005

The debate over what we should do, if anything, with the Social Security system is heating up. A political campaign-style assault has already begun; in the weeks and months ahead, prepare to be buried in markedly different versions of the truth.

If you are like me, you hunger for something better from the political class. How about a new idea to offer financial security for each American when he or she reaches retirement age? Here's one way.

If we decided as a society that we were going to put $2,000 a year into a savings account from the day each child was born until he or she reaches age 18 — and if we assume a 6% annual interest rate — each child would have $65,520 at age 18. (The worst return for a 25-year investor in the stock market from 1929 before the crash to 2004 was an average of 6% a year.) With no further contributions, again with a 6% interest rate, those savings would grow to $1,013,326 at age 65.

If we began to do this now, the first-year cost would be $8 billion; that is $2,000 times the roughly 4 million children born each year. The second year would cost $16 billion and so on until we were contributing $2,000 per year to a savings account for every child from birth until age 18. When fully implemented, the cost would be $144 billion per year. To put this $144 billion per year into context, this year's combined spending for Social Security and Medicare will exceed $750 billion.

What this plan would do is "pre-fund" for the needs of old age. It solves the long-term financing problem for both Social Security and Medicare, allowing for the gradual replacement of programs like Supplemental Security Income and Medicaid and food stamps and housing aid for those over age 65. To make this work, the savings account money would need to be invested — my suggestion would be through so-called index funds. The administrative costs would be practically nothing because there's no need for a huge separate tax collection bureaucracy; the money would come from the general revenues of the U.S. government.<snip>

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:19 AM
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1. Now that is an idea!!! Think about the compound interest or investment
return on that. Now the Democrats are getting jiggy (he is a democrat isn't he?). And take the $2000 from taxes on the rich (don't let them get away with tax reform that hides annual income from the government).

Now you are thinking!!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:22 AM
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3. Nope--Another freespending Conservative!
seems like a good investment, tho
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:02 PM
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5. Well - as a Liberal I am not against ideas. In fact that is what made
Liberals great in the past and I insist on reading up on everything to keep up to date on the best solutions to problems. Where will the $2000 come from. I hope from increased taxes in a progressive way (because if not then it is just bullshit).
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:46 AM
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4. O'neil is a Republican.
Bush's former Sec. of Treasury...
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:20 AM
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2. Very interesting....sounds like a good idea
$144 billion/yr. vs. $750 bil/yr........very interesting.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:19 AM
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6. If it comes from Paul O'Neill, it's probably a good idea
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 04:28 AM by BanzaiBonnie
It definitely seems like something that should be put out for discussion.

If you want an interesting read, try his view from inside the Bush administration, "The Price Of Loyalty" By the time I was finished I knew * had responsibility for 9/11.


Review of the book from Optusnet:

Former US treasury secretary Paul O'Neill has blasted his former boss, President George W Bush, describing Cabinet meetings with him as "a blind man in a room full of deaf people".

Mr O'Neill, who was sacked by Mr Bush in December 2002, told CBS television the President did not ask him a single question during their first one-on-one meeting, which lasted an hour.

"I went in with a long list of things to talk about and, I thought, to engage (him) on. ... I was surprised it turned out me talking and the president just listening. ... It was mostly a monologue," Mr O'Neill said in the interview to be aired this weekend.

He says his description of the President as a "blind man" was a reference to his dislike of a free flow of ideas or open debate.

http://www.optus.net/news/story/abc/20040111/06/business/1023195.inp
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