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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 06:46 PM
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Rich: Just How Gay Is the Right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/opinion/15rich.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

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Their cronies are no different. As The Washington Post reported, Rick Scarborough, the Texas preacher and Tom DeLay acolyte whose "Patriot Pastor" network is a leading player in the judiciary battle, first became active in politics in 1992, when he helped oust a local high-school principal for the crime of presiding over an AIDS-awareness assembly. The American Family Association, whose leader, the Rev. Donald Wildmon, is a Scarborough ally, had been whipping up homophobia long before anyone suspected SpongeBob SquarePants of being a stalking horse (or at least a stalking sea sponge) for same-sex marriage. So-called research available on the Wildmon Web site for years - and still there as of last week - asserts that 17 percent of gay men "report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners" and 15 percent "report sex with animals."

Which judges do these people admire? Their patron saint is the former Alabama chief justice Roy S. Moore, best known for his activism in displaying the Ten Commandments; in a ruling against a lesbian mother in a custody case, Mr. Moore deemed homosexuality "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature" and suggested that the state had the power to prohibit homosexual "conduct" with penalties including "confinement and even execution." Another hero is William H. Pryor Jr., the former Alabama attorney general whose nomination to the federal bench was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday. A Pryor brief to the Supreme Court on behalf of the Texas anti-sodomy law argued that decriminalized gay sex would lead to legalized necrophilia, bestiality and child pornography. It was Justice Anthony Kennedy's eloquent dismissal of such vitriol in his 2003 majority opinion striking down the Texas statute that has since made him the right's No. 1 judicial piñata.

What adds a peculiar dynamic to this anti-gay juggernaut is the continued emergence of gay people within its ranks. Allen Drury would have been incredulous if gay-baiters hounding his Utah senator had turned out to be gay themselves, but this has been a consistent pattern throughout the 30-year war. Terry Dolan, a closeted gay man, ran the National Conservative Political Action Committee, which as far back as 1980 was putting out fund-raising letters that said, "Our nation's moral fiber is being weakened by the growing homosexual movement and the fanatical E.R.A. pushers (many of whom publicly brag they are lesbians)." (Dolan recanted and endorsed gay rights before he died of AIDS in 1986.) The latest boldface name to marry his same-sex partner in Massachusetts is Arthur Finkelstein, the political operative behind the electoral success of Jesse Helms, a senator so homophobic he voted in the minority of the 97-to-3 reauthorization of the Ryan White act for AIDS funding and treatment in 1995.

But surely the most arresting recent case is James E. West, the powerful Republican mayor of Spokane, Wash., whose double life has just been exposed by the local paper, The Spokesman-Review. Mr. West's long, successful political career has been distinguished by his attempts to ban gay men and lesbians from schools and day care centers, to fire gay state employees, to deny City Hall benefits to domestic partners and to stifle AIDS-prevention education. The Spokesman-Review caught him trolling gay Web sites for young men and trying to lure them with gifts and favors. (He has denied accusations of abusing boys when he was a Boy Scout leader some 25 years ago.) Not unlike the Roy Cohn of "Angels in America" - who describes himself as "a heterosexual man" who has sex "with guys" - Mr. West has said he had "relations with adult men" but doesn't "characterize" himself as gay. This is more than hypocrisy - it's pathology.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 06:53 PM
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1. The sheer hypocrisy is breathtaking
Edited on Sat May-14-05 07:02 PM by acmejack
What in the fuck is wrong with these people? It is incomprehensible, these folks must have some really serious sexuality issues
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:33 AM
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7. very sad how someone can live like that
speaks to the absolute power of extreme homophobia - it even strikes homosexuals themselves
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 06:57 PM
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2. All I can figure is that this is all a big joke to them-- and maybe doing
something so "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature" is a big turn-on for them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:03 PM
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3. Rich missed that anti-gay Virginia rep. outed before GOP convention
who just happened to be Pat Robertson's rep from his district.

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AndreaCG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:47 PM
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5. He also missed Gannon
I didn't notice an email address or I would write to him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 03:54 PM
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21. Ed Schrock is the name of the Virginia GOP hypocrite who was outed.
Funny how the media avoided talking about the reason Schrock REALLY decided not to seek re-election.

Would a Dem have gotten the hands off treatment?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:27 PM
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4. It all fits in in a way with
everything the right says it is:
pro family---not
fiscally conservative---not
Christian---not
etc, etc

It's all so Orwellian.
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Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:53 AM
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6. whoops. just started another thread. sorry.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:23 AM
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8. Clearly, people like West, Gannon, etc.,...
are self-loathing hypocrites. They have serious psychological problems. Not because they're gay (of course) but because they align themselves with people who are public about their irrational hatred of gays. And because they actively seek to, essentially, disenfranchise gays - or worse. I'd suggest some serious couch-time for West and Guckert/Gannon.

Bill Hicks said it best years ago (paraphrased): "Anyone that far to the right is hiding a deep, dark secret." I have yet to hear it put any better than that.
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Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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9. NYT OpEd Just How Gay Is the Right? More than hypocrisy - it's pathology
Edited on Sun May-15-05 05:54 AM by KathmanduKid
on edit... didn't see Rambo's thread. Sorry for starting a new one.

I get the Times online here in Nepal... find this interesting reading.

snip, snip, snip...even as it has ceased to be a crime or necessarily a political career-breaker to be gay, unprincipled gay-baiting has mushroomed into a full-fledged political movement. It's a virulent animosity toward gay people that really unites the leaders of the anti-"activist" judiciary crusade, not any intellectually coherent legal theory (they're for judicial activism when it might benefit them in Florida). Their campaign menaces the country on a grander scale than Drury and Preminger ever could have imagined: it uses gay people as cannon fodder on the way to its greater goal of taking down a branch of government that is crucial to the constitutional checks and balances that "Advise and Consent" so powerfully extols.

Today's judge-bashing firebrands often say that it isn't homosexuality per se that riles them, only the potential legalization of same-sex marriage by the courts. That's a sham...

...What adds a peculiar dynamic to this anti-gay juggernaut is the continued emergence of gay people within its ranks. ...Terry Dolan, a closeted gay man, ran the National Conservative Political Action Committee, which as far back as 1980 was putting out fund-raising letters that said, "Our nation's moral fiber is being weakened by the growing homosexual movement and the fanatical E.R.A. pushers (many of whom publicly brag they are lesbians)." (Dolan recanted and endorsed gay rights before he died of AIDS in 1986.) The latest boldface name to marry his same-sex partner in Massachusetts is Arthur Finkelstein, the political operative behind the electoral success of Jesse Helms, a senator so homophobic he voted in the minority of the 97-to-3 reauthorization of the Ryan White act for AIDS funding and treatment in 1995.

But surely the most arresting recent case is James E. West, the powerful Republican mayor of Spokane, Wash., whose double life has just been exposed by the local paper, The Spokesman-Review. Mr. West's long, successful political career has been distinguished by his attempts to ban gay men and lesbians from schools and day care centers, to fire gay state employees, to deny City Hall benefits to domestic partners and to stifle AIDS-prevention education. The Spokesman-Review caught him trolling gay Web sites for young men and trying to lure them with gifts and favors. (He has denied accusations of abusing boys when he was a Boy Scout leader some 25 years ago.) Not unlike the Roy Cohn of "Angels in America" - who describes himself as "a heterosexual man" who has sex "with guys" - Mr. West has said he had "relations with adult men" but doesn't "characterize" himself as gay. This is more than hypocrisy - it's pathology.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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10. Of the 60 million who voted Pub...if the 7% rule is applied...4.2 mil are
The Levites had their Canaanites, Hitler had his Jews, and the Repubs have their....(Gasp) ...Gays....and Liberals...."and those Demorats".

Disparaging your enemies is old as civilization itself.

Those Pubs<GOP>......they are a selfinterest lot...its more about themselves than Human interest......Damn.....
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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11. I started to post, then thought because I am not gay that maybe I
shouldn't.

Welcome to DU.

I love to find out our members are from other countries. Our DU family is great.

:hi:
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Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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17. i'm not gay either
but i try not to let that stop me from appreciating new info about the current regime...

I'm an American expat. Not sure i can ever stomach living in the good ole USofA again.

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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12. In the Third Reich, everyone knew Ernst Roehm was a homosexual including
Hitler. But Hitler used Roehm to build up the Brown Shirt Army, then Hitler combined the competing factions, and took over. He then imprisoned Roehm (one of the charges: homosexuality) and Roehm "died" on the Night of the Long Knives, when multiple political assassinations took place in the early years of the Third Reich.

The Third Reich was replete with homosexuals, but it did make for poor public relations, as the Hitler gang was trying to get as many SS and other German purebloods to impregnate German maids in order to get the next group of cannon fodder ready in 17 years.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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13. Link? thx!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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14. Thanks for the heads up on that.
Like probably most here, I was aware of several such instances, but I didn't have the (almost) complete picture. Thanks to the above, I was able to Google out the original NYT op-ed to here: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/opinion/15rich.html?pagewanted=1 I'll use this to good effect.

pnorman
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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15. Frank Rich is a nat'l treasure. Kick. Recommended.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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16. I'll go so far as to say
that a "recommended for greatest" is also recommended.

pnorman
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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18. There is an important distinction
as "powerful men" who display this behaviour are NOT "gay" in your garden-variety-next-door-neighbor sense. I prefer the term "RoyCohns" as even a cursory examination of his life will reveal the pathology being played out. It is NOT about a healthy orientation, experimentation or "gay sex." It's about POWER, DOMINATION AND CONTROL.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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19. yeah, they're "heterosexual men who have sex with guys"
I admit the distinction escapes me (and the rest of the common-sense world), but you're probably right. I've seen this alluded to in my fave genre, crime novels. Guys who have been in prison a long time will admit to having sex inside but get real testy if you suggest they are gay.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:31 AM
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20. Perfect time to pull out Jon Stewart's line from last week
"how many of the homophobes need to get caught in a gay tryst before everyone realizes they're all gay"
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