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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:10 PM
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Killing the Dollar in Iran--A Times (inc. war talk a la Iraq)
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1//Asia Times Online, Hong Kong Aug 26, 2005

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GH26Dj01.html



KILLING THE DOLLAR IN IRAN

By Toni Straka
(Toni Straka is a Vienna, Austria-based independent financial analyst and portfolio manager, who worked as a financial journalist for over 15 years and now evaluates global market trends. He runs a blog, The Prudent Investor, where this piece first appeared.)

Could the proposed Iranian oil bourse (IOB) become the catalyst for a significant blow to the influential position the US dollar enjoys? Manifold supply fears have driven the price of crude oil to its recent high of US$67.10 - only a notch below its highest price in inflation-adjusted dollar terms. With the world facing a daily bill of roughly $5.5 billion for crude oil at current price levels, it becomes apparent that sellers and purchasers of the black gold are looking into all ways that could lead to a financial improvement on their respective sides.

Non-US-dollar holders so far have been the victim of additional transaction costs in the oil trade. The necessary conversion of local currencies into oil-buying greenbacks can be considered a hidden tax, charged and enjoyed by the international banking sector. The IOB, by eliminating this transaction cost, will become a factor that could unsettle the dollar's dominant position. While the worldwide bottleneck of inadequate refining facilities and partly dramatic declines in production - for example in the North Sea - are two factors that cannot be eliminated in the short term, there is one area left which could result in smiling faces of oil producers as well as most buyers.

Oil consumers are entangled in a web of supply fears that span the globe. In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez threatens to divert oil supplies from the US to China, which faces severe gasoline and diesel shortages these days. Attacks on Iraqi oil installations have slowed exports there. Ecuador's oil industry is still recovering from a strike, while Nigerian oil companies are in the middle of efforts to avoid a strike there.

Until now, oil has been solely priced, traded and paid for in the greenback on markets in both London and New York. But monthly worldwide oil revenues of over $110 billion (on a 20-trading-day basis) - a third of which ends up with OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) members - raise the question of what happens to these cash mountains. According to the most recent data from the US Treasury Department, OPEC members have parked only a skimpy $120 billion in direct dollar holdings, which are almost equally split between equities and American debt paper. This is a clear indication that oil producers are investing their windfalls elsewhere. The yield spread between US and EU debt papers in favor of the EU is another hint where the petrodollars might be heading.

Especially in the case of Iran, it does not make sense to accept dollars only for its much-desired commodity. Given that Iran is seen as a hostile country by the current US administration for its intention to build its own nuclear reactors, one wonders whether the new IOB will not try to attract buyers other than Americans. Iran has recently announced that the new oil exchange will start up its computers in March 2006.

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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:14 PM
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1. It's Coming
The next war is on it's way. Nominated & Kicked!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:17 PM
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2. Agreed!!! Worse than a Nuclear War!!!
:nuke:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:50 PM
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3. This article really lays it all out....shameless kick!!
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:02 PM
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4. It sure goes a long way in explaining Bush's "Iranian Nuke" fears.
It doesn't make sense that European countries are concerned about the Iranian nuclear program and Bushco is frothing at the mouth, even taking Israeli concerns into account. Not until you consider the implications of an Iranian oil bourse (the first time I ever typed the word bourse).:)

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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:18 PM
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5. Saudi Arabia just pulled many billions out of the US I think
Looks like a killing of the dollar may well be on it's way. The US bomb-based currency may fall out of favor given the limited applicability of aerial bombardment and near total lack of ability to control and occupy territory (including our own, look at the southern border). Where have the chants of, "Merikass nummer whun" gotten us? After the crash will the US spend a generation or more blaming the world for it's problems? I hope not, but I fear it will be so.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:43 PM
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8. $360 billion is being repatriated from abroad
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:23 PM
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6. The topic seemed familiar to me, there had been another post..
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 11:41 PM by Theduckno2
on the same subject. I checked and it is on page 20 of the Editorials

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=145956

It went down in flames with only me posting a reply. I am going back to get the link to the article before the post slips into the archives.

"Petrodollar Warfare : Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Bourse"
by William R Clarke

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450

edits to include second link and punctuation.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:00 AM
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14. Thanks for the links.
Useful.
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:40 PM
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7. Important stuff here- Petro-dollar Warfare
been talkin' about this for years and now it's come to a head with peak oil and the political goons in DC.

Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse
by William R. Clark
(Friday August 05 2005)

"A successful Iranian bourse will solidify the petroeuro as an alternative oil transaction currency, and thereby end the petrodollar's hegemonic status as the monopoly oil currency. Therefore, a graduated approach is needed to avoid precipitous U.S. economic dislocations."

Contemporary warfare has traditionally involved underlying conflicts regarding economics and resources. Today these intertwined conflicts also involve international currencies, and thus increased complexity. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran's nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian "petroeuro" system for oil trade. Similar to the Iraq war, military operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of 'petrodollar recycling' and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450

Nominate it up and know this.

Thank you
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:34 AM
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16. Thanks for the article. These are the most alarming two paragraphs...
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 02:37 AM by Dover
The most recent, and by far the most troubling, was an article in The American Conservative by intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi. His article, "In Case of Emergency, Nuke Iran," suggested the resurrection of active U.S. military planning against Iran – but with the shocking disclosure that in the event of another 9/11-type terrorist attack on U.S. soil, Vice President Dick Cheney's office wants the Pentagon to be prepared to launch a potential tactical nuclear attack on Iran – even if the Iranian government was not involved with any such terrorist attack against the U.S.:

The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing – that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack – but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections. <11>

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:26 AM
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21. but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections
These are the chickenshits we call "leaders".

Not the brightest bulbs in the pack, are they?

:kick::kick::kick:
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:46 PM
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9. I was told PetroDollar Warfare is one of our own....
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:24 AM
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10. yep, Cheney's going to nuke 'em n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:05 AM
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11. So how does the U.S. auto industry's gas guzzler bravado
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:13 AM by Dover
and lobbying for relief from fuel efficiency standards, etc. fit into this scenario?

Is it all a confidence game?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:47 AM
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12. BElieve it or not, I think the only thing saving the dollar now
is the huge undeground economy. Ny that I mean drugs, smuggling and nefarious doings. These folks are as influential as any oil producing country and have their assets all tied up in Dollars......

The interantional currency of he underworld.....

Russian Mafia are a big part of what is going on in the former Soviet Union and they transact with greenbacks... They also have the largest oil reserves....

If the mob jetison the Buck, the US and Britian will both be in for a major economic jolt as vast swaths of the US banking business will become irrelivent over night....

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mojavekid Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:14 AM
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15. A good point,
I do recall - though no link, sorry! an article on Yahoo, about a Colombian Drug Lord who announced that he would no longer accept Dollars, but wanted to settle his transactions in Euros!?

- This was before the referendums in France and the Netherlands on the E.U. Constitution.
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:44 AM
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17. Narcotics is second to oil and arms trade in worldwide revenues
Narcotics: Second to Oil and the Arms Trade

The revenues generated from the CIA sponsored Afghan drug trade are sizeable. The Afghan trade in opiates constitutes a large share of the worldwide annual turnover of narcotics, which was estimated by the United Nations to be of the order of $400-500 billion. (Douglas Keh, Drug Money in a Changing World, Technical document No. 4, 1998, Vienna UNDCP, p. 4. See also United Nations Drug Control Program, Report of the International Narcotics Control Board for 1999, E/INCB/1999/1 United Nations, Vienna 1999, p. 49-51, and Richard Lapper, UN Fears Growth of Heroin Trade, Financial Times, 24 February 2000). At the time these UN figures were first brought out (1994), the (estimated) global trade in drugs was of the same order of magnitude as the global trade in oil.

The IMF estimated global money laundering to be between 590 billion and 1.5 trillion dollars a year, representing 2-5 percent of global GDP. (Asian Banker, 15 August 2003). A large share of global money laundering as estimated by the IMF is linked to the trade in narcotics.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAS20050809&articleId=822
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:49 AM
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13. March 2006 it opens.... IF the US doesn't have other plans
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:36 AM
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18. How does one plan to survive the coming economic firestorm?
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:16 AM
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19. Definitely a MIHOP situation.
nuclear blast within the US, we nuke Iran and destroy its oil exporting capabilities, and the rest of the oil producing world gets the message. The petrodollar is king.
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:41 PM
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20. kick
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