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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:47 PM
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Will New Orleans survive?
Will New Orleans survive? (I hope so :cry:)

Tuesday, 5 p.m.

By James Varney
Staff writer
On the southern fringe of New Orleans' City Park there is a live oak with a branch that dips low, goes briefly underground, and comes up the other side still thriving.
It's ancient and gnarled, this tree, and filtered sunglight slants through its crown at dusk. It's a sublime thing.
When we talk about these majestic items that dot New Orleans' landscape we say, "is," but we may mean, "was." The reports are still scattered, the news from the ground still incomplete, but Hurricane Katrina may have annihilated New Orleans.
It looks bad to everyone. "It's impossible for us to say how many structures can be salvaged," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said late Tuesday. But can the birthplace of jazz truly be wiped from the face of the earth?
New Orleans may yet surprise. Too often the city is written off as a whiskey nirvana, where one guzzles Pimms cups at Napoleon House in the French Quarter at night, and eggs and grits at the Camellia Grill in the Riverbend at sunrise.
In truth, however, New Orleans is as sublime as it is Rabelaisian. For example - and this is a thing few tourists know - the French Quarter, home of Bourbon Street and jazz and possessor of a global reputation for parties, is in fact a National Park. Now and then, through the spokes of a horse-drawn carriage taking honeymooners up Royal Street, one can spot the distinctive, "Smokey," hat of a park ranger telling a more earnest visitor some genuine history.
That could include the iconic statue of Andrew Jackson, rearing back on his mustang between the Mississippi River and the St. Louis Cathedral. At its base - and this is a thing few locals know - are the words, "Our Union: It Must and Shall be Preserved."
Jackson said that as president, and his toast was first carved into the statue by Union troops during the Civil War, a reminder to the former Confederate citadel that even one of the South's greatest sons was, at heart, a Union man.
Of course, the locals in 1864 didn't cotton to that sentiment. Legend holds the ladies residing in the Pontalba, the graceful brick apartment buildings that flank Jackson Square and are reputedly the oldest such edifices in the United States, would dump their human waste pots on the caps of officers strolling underneath.
Fortunately - and how odd that word sounds in association with New Orleans today - the French Quarter was still mostly dry, largely intact, late Tuesday. In another Big Easy quirk, the impossibly charming neighborhood Uptown, which is hard against the Mississippi River, is one of the highest spots in the city.
The true highest spot is an upriver paddlewheel ride away: Monkey Hill in the New Orleans zoo. No one reportedly sought refuge there as Katrina surged about the city, although it might not have been that bad a spot since it's at the opposite end of the zoo from the king cobra and the Komodo dragon.
The zoo itself is another example of how New Orleans, for all its famous decay, can survive. What was once dubbed an "animal ghetto" was turned around by the city and was, until the dreaded "Big One" grazed the city, a bucolic spot.
Other areas, too, may weather the storm. Certainly the fishing spots in the bayous of eastern New Orleans will remain; the fate of the gorgeous trellis of live oak branches arching over St. Charles Avenue is less certain.
Those 19th century trees are one symbol of New Orleans. A 20th century symbol, William Faulkner, was first published in The Times-Picayune while he was living in the city and writing his first novel. He called the city, "a courtesan whose hold is strong upon the mature, and to whose charm the young must respond."
Now, in the 21st century, the courtesan cries for help. The response from young and old will decide if she lives or dies.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075161
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:53 PM
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1. They'll have to reconsider their location below sea level.
I'm sure the city will survive in one form or another, but I don't see how they can continue exactly as before, in the face of climate change.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:01 PM
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2. New Orleans rests on 70 ft. of very unstable soil. However,
just 70 ft down is solid bed rock, an excellent base for construction. In fact, all of the large buildings rest on 70 ft pilings that stand on the rock. If New Orleans is to be rebuild, there will need be a plan that basically builds the entire city on a platform, resting on pilings. It would cost a lot but the entire city would be permanently safe from floods.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:42 PM
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4. perfect for parking garages and subways? n/t
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:28 AM
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8. New Orleans can also be built to resemble Venice, Italy
Replete with canals and boats.
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SlackJawedYokel Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:16 PM
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3. 2 years from now you won't even notice
the differences... except for a few empty lots, maybe.

Don't get me wrong... what has happened is awful bad.
But folks down there are used to bouncing back from this kind of thing.
This isn't the first flood they've had to deal with.
And it wasn't the "killer" it could have been.
Trust me, the one that hits NO dead on or slightly west of the city bringing that 25+ foot storm surge and/or flooding from the Ponchartrain will be the killer.

They'll fix the levee, pump out the water, collect their insurance and FEMA checks and rebuild.
Who knows, maybe even * will send some NG troops to help.
Meh.

If they're *smart*, the local politicians will push to build a more sturdy solution(like the Dutch dike system) for when the "killer" comes... and it will come.
NO took one in the leg, but it wasn't a headshot.

They'll recover.
There will be a Mardi Gras, even.

Take heart here, folks... it takes a lot to keep a Yat down.

Cletus
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:59 PM
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5. I suspect you are correct, Cletus
And I will be hoping and praying for just such an occurrance.

"Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then agin' some folk'll...like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel!"

:evilgrin:
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:00 AM
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9. 2 years?
There are people still living in trailers on their home lots in FL almost 18 months after the Hurricanes rolled through their area.

I'm doubtful that the city will be back up and running in 2 short years.

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SlackJawedYokel Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:21 PM
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11. Well, I posted that before I realized the extent of the flooding.
And yea, it'll take a bit.

But, nah, the city will be back up and running as soon as the water gets pumped out... dealing with flooding is something NO and south La. have beend doing for generations.

In one since you're right... it will take much longer than 2 years to get back to normal... especially given the chaos there now and the damage being caused by looters and fire, etc.

My point had more to do with the will of the people of that city.
I said something about maybe celebrating Mardi Gras next year to my dad and he laughed and said they'd do it tomorrow in barges and bass boats if they had to.
It's just that kind of city with that kind of people.

You might knock them down, but you can't knock them out.
I mean they've spent the past century making a city in a swamp.
Who in their right mind does this?
;)

Cletus
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:02 AM
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10. Two years from now, there will have been at least two more Katrinas.
Everybody needs to stop thinking of Katrina as a fluke. It's the new normal.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:50 PM
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6. I do not know if y'all had a chance to see the incredible program
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 07:55 PM by MasonJar
on PBS about jazz. It was a multi-night show; some of its episodes looked at New Orleans before, during and after the War Between the States. New Orleans was a very cosmopolitan city from its inception. The French settled this great city; the Spanish, the West Indes, etc. lived there. Everyone got along. Even after the end of the Reconstruction, NO refused to go the way of the rest of South; the city did not institute the new voting laws, etc. Finally La. required the city comply, but it still remained the most cosmopolitan city in the country. New Orleans is a wonderful city. It is a place without the puritan influence which has created a country which wants to elect losers like GWB. New Orleans please restore yourself. You are the city of brass band, funeral marches, the home of Louis Armstrong, the most incredible benets (sp) and cafe au lait. I love u, NO, city of my dreams. Oh, I may be a Kentuckian but I did spend part of my college in New Orleans. Never got to the Blue Room, but did have Jimmy Durante (who was playing there) hold the door of a store open for me...a thrill I still remember.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:25 PM
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7. I'd like to see that. Mr. CB is a NO native. He lived down near the zoo.
Have you read "A Confederacy of Dunces"? There is a quote in the preface: "New Orleans is a Mediterranean City, separated from the rest of the Mediterranean only by the Atlantic Ocean."

As a Landcape Architect, I am so very worried about retaining and rebuilding the cultural, architectural and natural character of this truly unique American city. God bless New Orleans and God have mercy on us all.
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