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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:32 AM
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Conservative Author Is Seeing Red in America--WaPost
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083001862.html?referrer=email


By Dana Milbank and Alan Cooperman

Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Page A05

Cindy Sheehan: anti-American communist?

That was the accusation coming yesterday from the Heritage Foundation, which hosted author John J. Tierney Jr. for a forum titled "The Politics of Peace: What's Behind the Anti-War Movement?"
Cindy Sheehan's protest was called unprecedented -- and more. (Jeff Mitchell - Reuters)

Tierney researched the movement for a book and came up with some choice descriptions. "I have to say it is communist," he told an audience at the conservative think tank, also describing the groups involved as "revolutionary socialistic" and "cohorts" of North Korea, Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro's Cuba. "We're really dealing with . . . a comprehensive, exhaustive, socialistic anti-capitalistic political structure," he said.

Tierney, of the Institute of World Politics, identified five groups: ANSWER, Not in Our Name, Code Pink, United for Peace and Justice, and MoveOn.org. He said these groups "come from the Workers World Party" and are an "umbrella" for smaller groups, such as the "Communist Party of Kansas City" and the "Socialist Revolutionary Movement of the Upper Mississippi." Of the last two, he said, "I'm just making these up."

Tierney singled out Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq and who camped out at President Bush's ranch this month to protest the war. "I've never heard of a woman protesting a war in front of a leader's home in my life," he said. "I've never heard of anything quite so outrageous."

....

(You couldn't put that in a sitcom, it's so implausible.)

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 AM
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1. Bush is employed by the people of the USA, and hes no leader
Tierney sounds like he has a problem with democracy. If he doesnt like democracy, he can move somewhere else.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:40 AM
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2. Tierney is now a regular NYT columnist. Ugh.
I have not read any of his columns... the headlines made it obvious he is a RWer.

I am saddened by what has happened to the NYT. If it were not for Krugman, Herbert and the occasional good Dowd column, I would not bother with the editorial section.
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:42 AM
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3. So did he make up the REST of his book too?
Sure looks like it to me.
Where's this guy been his whole life?

Bruce
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:43 AM
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4. And, as expected...
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 08:43 AM by Amonester
The author said he ... wouldn't want to see his 20-year-old son go there (Iraq).


More (chickbushidiots) of the same...
:wtf:
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:44 AM
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5. GOD if one more person says the word
COMMUNIST I think I'll explode

:nuke:
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:48 AM
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7. I am a member of Moveon, as well as a local peace group
this guy is seriously checked out from reality.
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LunaSea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:46 AM
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6. sounds like infomercial, not forum.
did anyone question his assertions?
Or nod knowingly.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:19 PM
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18. waist deep in the big muddy and the big fool say push on
Thanks for the concise visual. That should be a billboard.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:50 AM
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8. But apparently he's heard of president's lying us into war
and that is NOT outrageous. He sure gets outraged at the strangest things. An American speaks her mind and grieves for her lost son, that is outrageous and something he's never heard of. However, is quite accepting and forgiving of liars whose actions kills tens/hundreds of thousands.

These right wing extremists sure are...extreme.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:53 AM
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9. Workers World Party?
Is that the Wobblies?

This is sooo 1919.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:31 AM
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13. ignore
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:33 AM by K-W
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:44 AM
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14. A little confused, and had fun with my confusion.
Wobblies was the IWW, Industrial Workers of the World, purported by writers such as this in the early last century of being communists.

This does sound like 'Red Scare' shit from a hundred years ago.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:55 AM
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10. He's insane
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:06 AM
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11. "I've never heard of a woman protesting a war in front of a leader's home"
Although no leader lives there, the White House is directly across Pennsylvania Avenue from Lafayette Park, where a woman has been camped out forever protesting a variety of things. This is the back of the White House as well, so I guess, technically, Tierney may be correct.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:19 AM
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12. "comprehensive, exhaustive, socialistic anti-capitalistic political struc
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:21 AM by higher class
Comprehensive. Hmmm. Did you know that? Is that the same thing as a 'majority of U.S. citizens'.

Exhaustive? Hmmm. Does that mean we are exhausted from the filth, lies, theft, deception, and the pounding of dis-reality?

Socialistic? Hmmm. Does that mean the people can't be for fellow people? That we can't want others to not want? Does that mean we don't pay taxes or pledge allegiance for our freedoms and therefore, should bow down to phoney christian reverends and their corporate partners? Does that mean we don't have a choice to protect our country against religious and corporate predators?

Anti-capitalistic? Hmmm. Does that mean we can't own businesses or work for other people who own businesses?

I think he has some 'splainin to do to be credible.
I think there are a lot of nutcakes in the Heritage Foundation that fight against the people under the UMBRELLA of of their self-fashioned form of religion.




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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:59 AM
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15. jeez...it never ends with some people
bring back the HUAC!!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:15 PM
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16. So demonizing us as friends of Al Queda isn't working...
So they have to bring up an older fear mantra of:

Better Dead than Red!

What he's actually saying in effect is:

Better a dead state through being a red state!

These fascists have to be pushed aside and out of positions of power and influence!
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:45 PM
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17. Communist?
Not Cindy. Me? You bet. I just read a story in the Seattle Post Intelligencer (Paper) where the census showed that poverty has increased, the middle has shrunk and guess what, the wealthy have grown in number. I wouldn't mind grabbing some of Gates assets in a turnabout.
The hand-jobs are afraid they might lose their summer homes, or winter getaways.
Capitalism is dead.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:25 PM
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19. "What's behind the anti-war movement." Gee, let me think.
You would think "anit-war" might be a give-away answere to the
question.

When I read that, I thought it was a joke.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:45 PM
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20. The name calling by gilded and guilty elites
...is reflective of the extremes in the inequitable disposition of property, income and taxes by the top one percenters. This is bushes base, the haves and the have mores. At this point, having exported virtually all American production and massive amounts of capital overseas, their final financial strategies consist of war mongering, war profiteering and fleecing the treasury and banks.

The decline of this country has been accelerated by war, repressive measures, and bogus laissez faire gilded age tripe.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:03 PM
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21. demonstrating a profound ignorance of economic and govt systems
what is "communism" - dude couldn't give an answer that any "test scorer" (eg think all the NCLB tests) would accept. Try answering that as:

someone who doesn't agree with the president.

0 points on the question.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:11 PM
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22. "Everyone who opposes THE PARTY is a Communist!"
My Lord, the irony!

The Bushies are even more like Communists than actual Communists!
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:36 AM
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23. No one is supposed to question der Fuhrer n/t
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