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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:52 AM
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No school, no books, no teacher's dirty looks
It's a child's dream. Wake up whenever you want, with nobody telling you what to do and when to do it. And here's the kicker: No school to rush off to.

An extension of home-schooling, "unschooling" is when parents give their children total freedom to learn and explore whatever they choose...The expectation is that along the way they will get an education.

Nailah's day starts about 11 a.m...until her day comes to an end about 2 a.m. "I actually don't know what I'm learning," Nailah said. "I think I'm just having a good time."


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/27/gutierrez.unschooing/index.html

Oh, great. Let a 10-year-0ld kid decide what he or she should learn. And stay up until 2 in the morning every night. This kid'll have a damn tough time adjusting to the real world a few years down the road, yes?

Redstone
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:55 AM
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1. my children do the same thing....
it is called summer vacation....

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:58 AM
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2. Not necessarily - there is nothing any more inherently moral or ethical
about a 9 am - 5 pm than an 11 am - 2 am system, or a 5 pm - 5 am system.

If she has the mind of an artist, and grows up to be one, the hours will be well-suited to her.

While I'm not saying this method of "schooling" is a great idea, though it certainly has its merits and public schools could learn a lot from this system of letting kids have a chance to go where they need to go, if the hours work for her, she should be allowed to go by them. In fact, I think most of our schools should start and end later and be more in tune with the natural rhythms and physical needs of the age groups.

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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:00 AM
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3. Give Home Schooling a bad name. That's the point.
Being from a rural area I know a lot of very successful people who were home schooled and now have admirable jobs and lives. None of them watch Fox News. This is why Home Schooling is being attacked.

The problem with home schooling is that it is harder to shove abstinence programs and pseudo-science down our kid's throats.

Gosh, what if people actually began to think for themselves?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:04 AM
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7. I'm not attacking homeschooling.
I'm commenting on this "unschooling," which strikes me more as laziness on the parents' part than a real alternative curriculum.

Redstone
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:01 AM
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4. And when they "graduate" at the age of 18 they can begin "unworking"
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:01 AM
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5. the result will have a great deal to do with the environment...
in a meth lab home, of course, little will be learned.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:01 AM
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6. How'd that song go?.....Tramp tramp the boys are marching
teacher standing at the door in I only had the chance I'd kick her in the pants and then she wouldn't be so crabby anymore.
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:07 AM
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8. Oh yes!
I forgot that public education has worked wonders.

They're right - Home Schooling and Un-Schooling should be outlawed. That'll stop crime in it's tracks.

Plus, it will limit free spirits from evolving. Better all around, eh?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:19 AM
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9. Considering that American students
test very high up through the third grade, after which test scores rapidly decline, there is something to be said for the idea of giving kids a chance to pursue the things that interest them once they have a solid grounding in language and mathematics. Kids live to learn--at least until it's burned out of a solid majority of them through rote and pressure to conform. If given the opportunity to pursue things that interest them in particular, it could provide them with an internal stimulus to learn how to research.

What our children need to learn, more than anything, is how to collect, critically examine, and disseminate information. Our education system these days leans more towards force feeding specific kinds of data, which then the kids are expected to regurgitate back upon command. There is almost no expectation of critical thinking.

I've thought for a long time that our schools were being turned into little more than indocrinization centers...little hothouses of conformity and groupthink.

We need some alternative ideas out there, even if they don't work.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:27 AM
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10. Great Article on "Unschooling"
The kid is not exactly goofing off. When you leave a kid to follow their own curiosity in a learning environment and make it fun, they'll go far. John Taylor Gotto published this in Harpers' two years ago:

Do we really need school? I don't mean education, just forced schooling: six classes a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve years. Is this deadly routine really necessary? And if so, for what? Don't hide behind reading, writing, and arithmetic as a rationale, because 2 million happy homeschoolers have surely put that banal justification to rest. Even if they hadn't, a considerable number of well-known Americans never went through the twelve-year wringer our kids currently go through, and they turned out all right. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln? Someone taught them, to be sure, but they were not products of a school system, and not one of them was ever "graduated" from a secondary school. Throughout most of American history, kids generally didn't go to high school, yet the unschooled rose to be admirals, like Farragut; inventors, like Edison; captains of industry like Carnegie and Rockefeller; writers, like Melville and Twain and Conrad; and even scholars, like Margaret Mead. In fact, until pretty recently people who reached the age of thirteen weren't looked upon as children at all. Ariel Durant, who co-wrote an enormous, and very good, multivolume history of the world with her husband, Will, was happily married at fifteen, and who could reasonably claim that Ariel Durant was an uneducated person? Unschooled, perhaps, but not uneducated.

...

It was from James Bryant Conant-president of Harvard for twenty years, WWI poison-gas specialist, WWII executive on the atomic-bomb project, high commissioner of the American zone in Germany after WWII, and truly one of the most influential figures of the twentieth century-that I first got wind of the real purposes of American schooling. Without Conant, we would probably not have the same style and degree of standardized testing that we enjoy today, nor would we be blessed with gargantuan high schools that warehouse 2,000 to 4,000 students at a time, like the famous Columbine High in Littleton, Colorado. Shortly after I retired from teaching I picked up Conant's 1959 book-length essay, The Child the Parent and the State, and was more than a little intrigued to see him mention in passing that the modem schools we attend were the result of a "revolution" engineered between 1905 and 1930. A revolution? He declines to elaborate, but he does direct the curious and the uninformed to Alexander Inglis's 1918 book, Principles of Secondary Education, in which "one saw this revolution through the eyes of a revolutionary."

Inglis, for whom a lecture in education at Harvard is named, makes it perfectly clear that compulsory schooling on this continent was intended to be just what it had been for Prussia in the 1820s: a fifth column into the burgeoning democratic movement that threatened to give the peasants and the proletarians a voice at the bargaining table. Modern, industrialized, compulsory schooling was to make a sort of surgical incision into the prospective unity of these underclasses. Divide children by subject, by age-grading, by constant rankings on tests, and by many other more subtle means, and it was unlikely that the ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would ever re-integrate into a dangerous whole.


More from this must-read essay: http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 11:42 AM
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11. Similar to my son's Montessori experience
My son was in Montessori for 1 year of preschool and then for Kindergarten. I felt it was an excellent experience for him overall. The problem came this year, when he started First Grade in public school: he had not learned how to budget his time or to work hard! In Montessori, he worked on what he wanted, when he wanted, and could take as long as he wanted. But the real world doesn't work that way, at least not the one I'm in (our sky is blue, grass is green, yours may differ).

He's finally up to speed, and is thriving and enjoying his public school experience, but those first few months were a nightmare. The public school curriculum in our area is very rigorous, the schools are excellent and we're very pleased with them. But looking back, it would have been better to have put him into public school for Kindy to help make the crossover a bit easier.

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