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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 03:55 PM
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Hate vs Anger, Bush, and 2004 - EXCELLENT blog article
IMHO, this is the absolute best reading I've read in a couple of YEARS.

It's clarified my position: I don't hate, I'm just ANGRY. I will remember that.

Hatred, anger, and the 2004 election
dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_09_21_dneiwert_archive.html#10646167860009800


All of the hand-wringing currently circulating among the pundit class about the rising tide of "Bush hatred" misunderstands the nature of what really is happening. They mistake anger for hatred -- though in the case of conservatives, it's fair to say that the confusion is intentional.

Anger, for the most part, is a righteous and largely rational thing -- it arises from genuine grievances, and is typically a response to outrages of some form or another. Hatred, on the other hand, is an irrational thing; it comes from deep in the soul, and is usually an expression of some deep-seated imbalance on the part of the hater.Naturally, if anger is allowed to fester unaddressed long enough, it can easily mutate into hatred. But they are distinctive in nature.

We can all recall the Clinton hatred of the 1990s: wild accusations that he planned to enslave America in a "New World Order," that he'd had Vince Foster murdered, that he ran drugs out of the Mena airport, that he had fathered a black "love child," and on and on and on. As Bob Somerby recently observed on the topic, this wasn't just emanating from the fringe elements of the right, though it certainly had a significant audience there; this was coming from supposedly mainstream conservatives inside the Beltway, and it was broadcast throughout mainstream media. This hatred was grotesquely irrational, especially considering that Clinton was a political moderate by any lights whose policies on many fronts (international trade, welfare reform, balancing the budget) presented victories for conservative ideals.

Of course, the same conservatives who engaged in this lunacy -- projectionists that they are -- have a habit of accusing liberals of the very behavior in which they themselves avidly participate and foment. Thus they have now invented the "Bush hatred" meme, suggesting that liberals who attack Bush are the moral equivalents of themselves. ("I know you are, but what am I?" is the essence of these charges.)

But, as I have argued at length previously, the majority of this "hatred" is predicated on real policies and real actions by both Bush and his administration. This is not hatred: it is anger -- real, righteous and well-grounded anger.

Anger can be a healthy thing, especially if it is based on solid reasons and real grievances. Anger over real injustices motivated the American Revolution, the anti-slavery and civil-rights movements, and women's suffrage. History is replete with righteous anger.

Anger only becomes unhealthy hatred if it festers. And one of the ways it can fester is if the grievances underlying them are dismissed out of hand as irrational -- not just by the perpetrators of the injustices, but by the supposed allies of the victims.

This is what is happening currently to the critics of the Bush administration who are angered over his war policies, his mishandling of the economy, his pillaging of the environment, his crass cronyism, his multitude of lies, his gross hypocrisy. Any one of these is reasonable cause for anger -- and when piled one on top of the other, it becomes a real mountain of anger. But to hear the hand-wringers of the pundit class chatter, you would think these causes are no different than New World Order conspiracy theories.

The most egregious case of this is Nick Kristoff's recent New York Times column:

Liberals have now become as intemperate as conservatives, and the result — everybody shouting at everybody else — corrodes the body politic and is counterproductive for Democrats themselves. My guess is that if the Democrats stay angry, then they'll offend Southern white guys, with or without pickups and flags, and lose again.

This nonsense has already been well-limned by Somerby, who points out the ludicrousness of Kristoff's comparisons. And Kristoff, nominally a liberal himself, is only one of many from the left side of the aisle wringing their hands in such fashion; another example is David Kusnet's attack on Howard Dean in Salon, in which he describes the kind of election-year blueprint now being tailored by the GOP:

This strategy serves four goals: portraying Bush as the unifying leader that he could have become after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Diverting attention from his own high-risk policies. Painting his eventual opponent -- especially if it's Dean -- as the real extremist and a hothead as well. And blaming Bush's lack of legislative accomplishments on the Democrats' refusal to work with a president they despise.
It is indeed apparent that conservatives are making "Bush hatred" the centerpiece of their 2004 election strategy. But what is especially silly about warnings like Kusnet's is that Republicans are going to attack any Democrat in similar fashion, regardless of who it is. The only productive counterstrategy is not to defuse or muffle the very real anger out there, but to emphasize its rational content -- and thereby help make it spread. As the bumper sticker says: "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention."


Unsurprisingly, conservatives continue to play up the "Bush hatred" theme, including David Brooks' latest New York Times column, in which he attempts to advise liberal presidential candidates to chill out. Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I do find such advice from oh-so-thoughtful conservatives -- George Will likewise makes a habit of advising liberals how to behave -- extremely helpful. It's a very handy reverse barometer of exactly the kind of strategy that liberals should pursue.

In this case, muffling the anger and playing "nice" is effectively unilateral disarmament in the face of naked aggression. Liberals did not invent or even foment the nastiness of the current political climate -- it has been foisted upon them by a decade's worth of panting, raving, frothing conservatives whose power-mad agenda has become all too clear now that they control literally every component of the federal government. It is not far afield from the advice often given to Jews back in 1932-35 to lay low, play nice, and not upset the applecart in Germany.

I don't often use Holocaust analogies, but given the increasingly violent and hateful nature of the attacks on liberals -- and the increasingly apparent fascistic tendencies of the opposition -- it is becoming all too apt.

The most disturbing aspect of this trend, as I described in the above post, is the clear emergence of an eliminationist agenda aimed at liberals, replete with all kinds of rhetoric fomenting violence against them. (One example I failed to mention was this one.) The past few days have provided even more examples of this behavior.

One of the most noteworthy recent cases (as Jesse at Pandagon explored recently) was Mark Byron's bizarre Turner Diaries-like fantasy about running mass assassinations of liberal Democrats:

A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about 200 CLF commandos stormed the Supreme Court building, killing 35 people, including five Supreme Court Justices. At the same time, a contingent of 1,000 CLF paramilitaries attacked the Hart Senate Office Building, where a Senate Democratic Caucus meeting was being held. Approximately 50 people were killed in the attack. Once the commandos had seized the building, they systematically killed Democratic senators from states with Republican governors.

A similar fantasy recently appeared among the comments at Little Green Footballs, responding hysterically to Ted Rall's admittedly lame satirical column, whose purpose clearly flew right over the heads of the troglodytes who post there:

"Dear Recruit:

Thank you for joining the American resistance forces. You have been issued an illegal bolt-action rifle, a drum of improvised explosive material and an address where you can pick up supplies of ammunition and fuses. Please let your cell leader know if you require additional materiel for use against the authoritarian left.

You are joining a broad and diverse coalition dedicated to one principle: freedom for America. Our leaders include generals of President Bush's secular government as well as fundamentalist Christians.

We are Christian and Jew and atheist, white and black, Anglo and Hispanic, native and immigrant, Democrat and Republican. Though we differ on what kind of future our country should have after liberation and many of us resented Bush, we are fighting side by side because there is no dignity under the brutal and oppressive jackboot of the People's Coalition Provisional Authority headed by the terror-apologist and traitor, Ramsey Clark or their Vichyite lapdogs in the media, the academic community, and the elitist corporate foundations.

Because we destroyed our weapons of mass destruction, we were unable to defend ourselves against Iranian nuclear terrorism.

This was the Left's plan all along.

Now our only option is guerilla warfare: we must kill as many Leftists as possible at a minimum risk to ourselves."


And then there was this charming and oh-so-hilarious essay at IMAO:

So what do we do with these idiots who annoy us?

Mass slaughter you say?

No, though we can easily do that, we need to find solution more tolerant, such as showing them the errors of their ways. …

Carefully Explain the Errors in Their Logic: They think Bush is like Hitler, so show them the difference. Have them wear a sign in front of the Whitehouse saying, "I hate the government." and then have them wear the same sign in some country like Syria. Maybe they'll understand the difference in the moments before death.


The author goes on to explore other methods, such as forcing liberals' hands into a fire, administering shock therapy, breaking their kneecaps, and punching them in the face. Commenters at the site go on to recommend machine-gunning liberals and forcing them into slavery.

As I observed last time, this kind of violent eliminationism is a core component of fascism, especially in the context of Richard Falk's definition of the term as "an ultranationalist ideology that views its enemies -- internally and externally -- as evil and subject to extermination or extreme punishment."

These are not mere jokes. They describe an underlying attitude about the writers' fellow Americans that not only demonizes them, but reduces them to subhuman level, prime targets for violent elimination. The authors may think they are publishing mere jokes, and perhaps in their own minds, they are. But they have a concrete real-world effect -- because inevitably members of their audience (particularly the more hate-filled and mentally unstable types) will eventually act them out. Recall, if you will, that William Pierce often protested that The Turner Diaries was a mere work of fiction; but that did not prevent either Robert Mathews or Timothy McVeigh from attempting to enact its blueprint.

But as Falk also warns, this kind of rhetoric, and the resulting behavior, has a flip side: Hatred inspires hatred, violence inspires counterviolence. Eventually the provocations from conservatives will inspire a response in kind. This means we are treading into extremely dangerous territory.

Contrary to Kusnet's thesis, I think it's clear that Howard Dean's candidacy is an important sign of a healthy response. As Falk puts it:

If the Democratic Party in the United States doesn't elect a candidate who will challenge these policies, I think it would lead an increasing number of people to become disenchanted with normal politics and be more inclined to feel that the only way change can come about is by more extreme political tactics, which in turn would lead the government to feel justified in expanding its powers of control over the citizenry.

Liberals' anger is mounting so rapidly that there is indeed a real danger of it teetering into irrational hatred. This is already beginning to bubble up, and it in fact can be found among commenters on left-leaning blogs (see, for instance, some of the vicious comments catalogued by Keith Berry in his comments after a post about Barbara Bush), though no liberal bloggers have yet waded into Mark Byron, Rottweiler or LGF territory.

Moreover, liberals are now so angry that they are itching for a fight, and will almost certainly pounce on any serious provocation. If violence comes their way, there is certain to be counterviolence.

Somehow, I expect, conservatives and hand-wringing pundits will find a way to blame it all on liberals. And that's all the pretext the Bushites will need.

Anger at Bush is a healthy sign. But liberals must find a way to continue to channel that anger in a constructive direction. If we become haters, like the conservatives who are fomenting violence against us, we ALL will be lost.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 03:56 PM
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1. I love my countrymen thus am ANGRY about bush and his policies
:thumbsup:
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Jonte_1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:01 PM
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2. Please provide a link
Thank you.

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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:18 PM
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6. The link is there. nt
nt
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:06 PM
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3. Get rid of Bush.
Re-enter the international community. Do something stupid like, I dunno, supporting our veterans or funding education in America. The hatred disappears. Liberal hatred of Bush has justified cause, and if the neocons don't like that fact, they should just "get over it."
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:09 PM
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4. Orcinus website is excellent
I recommend everybody read it at least weekly. The series "Rush, newspeak and fascism" is excellent as is the current in-progress series "Manifestly unfit" - in fact almost everything is deeply thought provoking.

This guy (David Niewert) is a shining example of a real journalist.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:10 PM
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5. I've got news for the "Christian Fascist Front"
If they take their fantasies and act upon them, they will find themselves in a civil war in this country and they will lose because the entire free world will side with those of us on the side of western enlightenment democracy.

At that point I would no longer advocate non-violent resistance against the forces of fascism in this country.

It is bizarre to live in this country at this moment in time.

Of course, white liberals are just getting a taste of what black Americans faced daily in the south for decades, for generations.

As American fascists try to resurrect the demons of Hitler, they better be careful what they ask for. Anger is a powerful force for good when justice is denied.
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:21 PM
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7. Good comments. I have to say, I predict violence in 2004

And I have been since 2000.

Rove WILL try and steal the election again, but making mountains out of election irregularity molehills in states he needs.

And the right wing will support the coup, with vengeance.

And here's the difference: I, not a violent man, will go apeshit. I will take to the streets, and can even imagine killing someone in the right circumstance.

And I believe I speak for many liberals with similar sentiments.




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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:46 PM
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8. please check that link . . .
doesn't work for me . . . a hot link would be appreciated, if possible . . .
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:57 PM
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10. It cuts and pastes for me. Not you?
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_09_21_dneiwert_archive.html#10646167860009800


You have to look around now for the article, newer stuff shows up on the front page.

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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:55 PM
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9. Anger versus Hate
"It's clarified my position: I don't hate, I'm just ANGRY. I will remember that."

I'm proud to say that I passionately HATE George W. Bush and everyone who supports him. The crux lies in the definition...

"Anger, for the most part, is a righteous and largely rational thing -- it arises from genuine grievances, and is typically a response to outrages of some form or another. Hatred, on the other hand, is an irrational thing; it comes from deep in the soul, and is usually an expression of some deep-seated imbalance on the part of the hater."

This individual defines hatred as an "irrational thing." Fair enough; if we want to define irrational hatred as irrational, that's fine with me. But I don't buy his definition for a moment.

I think of hatred as a hatred that's visible or very extreme or prolonged. If someone steps on your foot, you might be angry, but you don't hate the person. If a person steps on your foot intentionally, you're going to be a lot angrier. If he stomps on your foot, repeatedly - breaking bones in the process - you will likely be even angrier, and people will see your anger in your face. You now HATE someone - and you have every right to hate him.

Note that hate is a verb, anger isn't. When you're angry, you hate something; when you're happy, you love the source of your happiness. I love Nature, children and good music. I hate George W. Bush, teachers unions and the media. I also hate people who are so stupid - or self-centered - they can't understand that. Anyone who can't understand why I hate teachers unions should spend a decade working in the classroom with their knives sticking out of your back. They should see what teachers unions do to children.

Similarly, George W. Bush is one of the greatest threats to the environment AND world peace AND democracy in world history. And you're merely ticked off??? How do you think that sounds to Europeans? How would you feel if you learned that ordinary Germany citizens didn't hate Hitler - they were just a bit peeved that he killed so many Jews?

"Naturally, if anger is allowed to fester unaddressed long enough, it can easily mutate into hatred. But they are distinctive in nature."

Mutate? I would argue that anger and hate go hand in hand; when the ultimate source of anger and hate isn't reformed, then normal hatred can mutate into a more irrational and violent hatred.

"We can all recall the Clinton hatred of the 1990s: wild accusations that he planned to enslave America..."

Compare that to hatred for Adolph Hitler. Millions of people wanted to KILL Hitler - for obvious reasons. Clinton bashing was largely an example of manipulation. It was based on lies and was therefore largely irrational from the beginning. If conservatives had bashed Clinton because he sold America out to the World Trade Organzation, then I'd respect their hatred.

Hate is the opposite of love, and it's entirely natural for someone who passionately loves something to passionately hate that which destroys that something. I HATE George W. Bush.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:35 PM
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11. Rational Hate
Hatred can be rational, cool-headed, healthy, and necessary.

What Bushco and the right-wingers are doing to the country we love is a crime and a tragedy of massive proportions. If left unchecked, the damage to our democracy, our prosperity, our safety, and our environment will be felt for generations.

To be aware of what is being done to your childrens' future and not feel hatred is unnatural and unhealthy. What is important is how this hate is channeled.

We must work towards attainable goals, the most important of which is regime change in Washington in 2004. This requires cool-headed thinking, and not lashing out in hatred in ways that will be counter-productive in attaining that goal.

The chief task is informing and convincing our fellow citizens, many of whom may still have a favorable view of Bush and will be reluctant to listen to arguments that challenge their beliefs and opinions.

It is very easy to hold these people in contempt, and to criticize them rather than to embrace them as potential allies. Some are beyond convincing, but most are good citizens who have been influenced by the propaganda that permeates our information media. Let us not forget how effective this propaganda has been, and how important it is for us to debunk the misinformation that has had wide acceptance.

Our hatred is important because it motivates us, but we must not wear it on our sleeve or we will be dismissed by those we need on our side. If we can show them how they have been betrayed and how our their childrens' future is imperled, then they, too, will develop a rational hatred of their own.

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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 12:52 AM
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12. Damn, you guys are psycho!!
Watch out, BIG BROTHER MAY BE WATCHING!
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BeyondLeftist Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 05:01 AM
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13. "I want to kill the killers.."
I certainly relate to that Alannis song, I go through mood swings a little too often for my mental health. I am like the sage where all is divine and cool as long as I am alone on my mountaintop deep in an altruistic meditation of loving and sharing that love with all of humanity, but then...I HAVE TO LEAVE MY MOUNTAINTOP AND DRIVE-then I shapeshift into Morrison and 'break on through to the otherside', whereas I fanatically write down the plate numbers of the ones who have taken the mark of the beast by their adhering SUPPORT BUSH AND OUR TROUPS signs to their vehicles, probably just to instigate some energy.I look at them and they ALWAYS look so mean and ugly, this is THEIR man, they love the killin and the thievin and the bombing. The republicans I know, for some reason,are racist and like to portray theirselves as 'Christians', 'Mormons', 'Catholics'. They are a busy social bunch with big mouths and little tiny brains.

These types get very shocked and very scared when you call them on their lies and their deceptions, they back down very quickly when confronted with just a taste of intelligent righteous rage.

I was at a PTA board meeting where we were protesting the Bush like lies and lamer/blamer deceptive actions by our school's new principal. The PTA higher council scolded and lectured the PTA board about our 'petty behaviors' and then stated that, 'we must support the principal and stand by her whether or not we liked her, that we must have faith in her and her decisions, just like we must support the President, whether we voted for him or not, we must have faith in him and his decisions'. I jumped her so hard and thoroughly for this outrageous command which was , "even if that person is a liar and a thief and a murderer? You support that and demand that I do as well? Is that the PTA policy or your own lines? That attitude is totally unPatriotic and unAmerican and that behavior is why our country is in the sad sorry shape it is in". She was like a robot saying these most incredible statements. After we get through using her to get rid of a totally unqualified taxpaid principal with very alarming decision making abilities and who lies and blames to your face, I will go to the state PTA board and get some answers from them about their party line.

The mentality of these people who due to their lack of care about anything other than their own power is very alarming, they are usually very bodacious characters, bullies, and to stand up to them and to call them out is very gratifying to me. Fight them up and get dirty, they also seem to be super shocked and sensitive to any cussing directed towards them. Time to bitchslap them all into next week. And shun them afterwards time for teaching them the obvious is over, time to realize that they have been attracted to the lowest of the low of humanity and have made their own choices is now.
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