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fiorello Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:48 PM
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The New York Times condemns Bush: "Hideous... horrific... shocking"
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 01:53 PM by sanfo
Hideous. horrific. Shocking. Immoral. Utterly false.
These are the words used by the New York Times lead editorial to describe Bush’s proposals to ignore the Geneva Conventions and strip the courts of power. This is no left-leaning blog or commentator, this is the New York Times. I’ve never seen them write like this.

Please bring this excellent summary of the White House horrors (there's a historic phrase) to everyone's attention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/opinion/15fri1.html

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Yesterday, the president himself went to Capitol Hill to lobby for his bill, which would give Congressional approval to the same sort of ad hoc military commissions that Mr. Bush created on his own authority after 9/11 and that the Supreme Court has already ruled unconstitutional. It would permit the use of coerced evidence, secret hearings and other horrific violations of American justice.
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The idea that the nation’s chief executive is pressing so hard to undermine basic standards of justice is shocking. And any argument that these extreme methods would be used only against the most dangerous of international terrorists has been destroyed by the handling of hundreds of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, many of whom appear to have been scooped up in Afghanistan years ago with little attempt to verify any connection to terrorism, and now are in danger of lingering behind bars forever without a day in court.
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One section of the administration bill would put American soldiers in grave jeopardy by rewriting the Geneva Conventions, condoning the practice of hiding prisoners in secret cells, and permitting the continued use of interrogation methods that violate the Geneva Conventions at the C.I.A. prisons....He also wants Congress to rewrite the War Crimes Act, which makes it a crime to violate the Geneva Conventions. The administration’s goal here is to avoid having C.I.A. interrogators, private contractors or the men who gave them their orders called to account for the immoral way the administration has run its terrorist detention centers.
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The White House wants to strip the federal courts of any power to review the detentions of the prisoners in Guantánamo Bay. This provision has no real bearing on the handful of genuine terrorists who were recently shipped there from abroad. Their cases are likely to be brought before military commissions, whose judgments could be appealed to higher courts, including the Supreme Court. But it has a profound impact on the hundreds of others at Guantánamo Bay. Many of them, perhaps the majority, committed minor offenses, if any. The administration has no intention of trying them, and wants to prevent them from appealing for help in court.
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Many members of Congress who succumb to the strong-arming will know, in their hearts, that they were doing the wrong thing out of fear for their political futures. Perhaps the voters will not judge them harshly this fall. But history will.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:59 PM
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1. K&R
:kick:
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:11 PM
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2. He's a dictator, NY Times. Where have you been?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:12 AM
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29. Read the Daily Howler
Bob Somerby shows you where the Screw York Times has been; still speculating on Bill and Hillary's sex life!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:38 PM
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3. 15 R's and only 2 K's, so I thought I'd give a K
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:07 PM
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4. Uh...too late now.
Shoulda thought about that when the Times was busy holding back & agreeing to not publish stories at the behest of the Bush administratio, and allowing Judith Miller to run amok. Screw the NY Times.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:44 PM
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9. Better late than never,
but not by very much.It will take a hell of a lot more than this ti redeem themselves.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:11 PM
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5. k&r
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:11 PM
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6. totally k&R
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:23 PM
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7. Let's not forget he did a signing statement so that
Pentagon expenditures in Iraq could not be investigated for fraud by the DoJ!

So Bush is also a crook giving away billions to war profiteer cronies and using the Fog of War and National Security to cover up his crimes...
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:33 PM
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8. Signing Statements??
"We don' neeeed no steeeenking signing statements!!"

Attributed to AG Alberto Gonzales



(Tip of the the hat, for the thought, to John Ford & Bogart in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" circa 1947)





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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:26 PM
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10. Why has it taken them so long?
A simple Google search of Bush's early years will yield a lot of info about our president's arrogance and ability to inflict pain when necessary.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:51 PM
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11. Dems raise bottoms high for a thorough bushering

"Only eight of the 28 Democratic members (of the House Armed Services Committee) had the courage to vote “no.”"
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:03 PM
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13. Where's the list of who voted yay or nay? Thanks. n/t
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:59 PM
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12. Bush is making a power grab because...
he is simply incapable of using the power that is already in place as a president. Although the Presidency is largely a symbolic position, understanding symbolism and translating it into real influence takes a greater intellect than an intellectual-hating elitist can comprehend. Clinton was very deft and very capable of doing so and didn't need to try to strip Congress or the courts of the powers given to them by the U.S. Constitution. If Bush were really the likeable sort of man he makes himself out to be then he wouldn't be doing this (for one thing because of course no one will like you after that) because he could have used the power that comes with the office to begin with.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:40 PM
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14. I think you're pretty much right on...
He knows the court will find it unconstitutional again, but that will be years from now, since it takes forever for a case to get to the Supreme Court (unless it involves a certain fortunate son and stopping a recount). So in essence, this is a way to keep on doing what he's doing anyway for several more years.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:13 PM
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15. And still they will not say 'torture'.
Even as they condemn the criminal Bush regime they refuse to call it what it is.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:31 PM
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16. It is a very sad day when our nation/congress has come to this point
very sad :(

:kick:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:45 PM
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17. History will judge them harshly...
...if there is any history left to judge.
Anyway, "Hideous. horrific. Shocking. Immoral. Utterly false." are all good ways to describe the Bush administration itself.
The NYT is waking up at last. Is it too late?
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wagthedogwar Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:53 PM
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18. i'm the decider, don't blame me...
It's all about covering his ass, he doesn't want to be held accountable for anything...he's had a free pass all his life--like most republicans, blame everyone else and send the bill to the taxpayer.

And he STILL believes treaties signed by the US are some 'foreign' thing.

Why people still support this republican ideology is beyond me,

God help the United States of America.

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:44 AM
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19. so even the msm is choked up full
with the bushit spewing from his demented mouth.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:52 AM
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20. The US military is sworn
to uphold the Constitution, are they not? We, the people have been waging a losing battle to retrieve our Nation from the hands of dangerous, unlawful criminals. We have failed, to date. All the drama has not made one iota of change, except maybe to bond ourselves together.

The military OWES it to us, their payroll, and as Sworn by their duty to protect and defend.
This abomination must be removed from power. He leads down one death road to the next. He is blood hungry and has no regard for human life. The BOR tells us we all have a GOD given authority to the right of HUMAN life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Put happiness on the back burner. Let's get life and liberty back for now.

Come, soldiers. Come, men and women sworn to duty. There is a traitor in our house. He would destroy you and does every goddam day he lives. Your duty, to yourself and your fellow Americans, is to stop this madman. Will you follow his every folly, even unto to death of you and yours? We know his oath meant nothing. Men like that take no head of oath. Are you the same? Have you integrity, a short supply commodity to be sure. Honor. Is that just a word to you? You would rather be blown to bits or maimed for life than stand up to the brute who doesn't care? Your choice. Your Oath. Your word. You live with it. And the rest of the world lives or dies according to your decision.

One section of the administration bill would put American soldiers in grave jeopardy by rewriting the Geneva Conventions, condoning the practice of hiding prisoners in secret cells, and permitting the continued use of interrogation methods that violate the Geneva Conventions at the C.I.A. prisons...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:21 AM
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21. Cheney you, NYT. You knew this election was stolen
and you refused to report it.

You created this situation.

Congratulations.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 10:14 AM
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22. What do we expect from an unelected dictator?
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:17 PM
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23. Proud to give the 100th recommendation
Sad that it is neccessary. :puke:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:43 PM
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24. A copy of this should be sent to our congresspeople with one question
attached: "Why hasn't this man been impeached?"
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:05 PM
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25. Splendid idea. k & r
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:52 PM
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26. The wheels are coming off DUUUUHbya's tricycle
The training wheels, that is.

Torture, rendition, secret prisons, signing statements, footdragging on global warming, failure to protect ports and borders, huge deficits from Clinton's surplus, Iraq, stem cell research, tax cuts for the wealthy during a war, no raise in minimum wage, Katrina...

Why is Laura always on top? 'Cause DUHbya can only fuck up.

Newsprism
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:38 PM
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27. K&R /nt
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:55 AM
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28. will they stay consistent of this attack on bush?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 09:40 PM
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30. Dictatorship has been implicit in everything done since 2000.
The corporatist spokespeople now want to shove bush off the train. The implications of GITMO, tribunals, torture memos, belligerent militarism, torture, summary killings, "rendition," evoting and electoral fraud, have been clear from the start. We're on a slippery slope.

Bush could be evicted and the same crowd of corporate fascists that brought us 911, terra, terra, terra, fraud, war crimes, and unconstitutional rule, will still be with us.

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