Iraq - Unwinnable and Unsolvable! Exactly as Planned

[veracity]

Exerpted with permission:

<b>Iraq - Unwinnable and Unsolvable! Exactly as Planned

Don’t kid yourself. This is exactly the way they want it to be: chaotic, devastating, confusing, horrendous, and right on target. Clever bastards, these neocons – their goals were always so damn clear, and they finally got there: get into Iraq and find a way to stay there forever. Forever, folks, - that’s always and into eternity. That was the plan from day one, and that’s the way it’s working out.

Henry Kissinger came out of the woodwork this past weekend and said it in terms that were impossible to misunderstand if you really listened closely. In a television interview the aging assassin and war criminal of yesteryear played a little game of bait and switch. First, he lured the public into a moment of reality by acknowledging that the war against Iraq was “unwinnable.” But then came the zinger: “But” he said as he delivered the follow up punch, “I don’t think that the alternative is between military victory…or total withdrawal."

I learned early in life that you can’t be a little bit pregnant or a little bit dead. You’re either one or the other. The lesson of recent history is that the same applies to waging a war and being an occupying nation. You’re either at war or you’re not. You’re either an occupier or you’re not. And Kissinger made it very clear. The same doctrine that gave us the horror of Vietnam is alive and well today. The despair that Henry of the Death Squads felt when the US finally ended the debacle of so many decades ago must be rectified in Iraq. We must stay. People must continue to die. Soldiers must continue to be sacrificed. But we absolutely will not relinquish our goal to dominate both the country of Iraq and the region we have inflamed. Withdrawal is not an option. No way.</b.

Full article: http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=497

[pberq]

1. Kick & Nominated

[ixion]

2. given the number of 'superbases' being built

I don't see how someone could believe anything else.

[mom cat]

13. Not to mention an embasy bigger than the Vatican. I fully agree

with the OP and have been saying the same thing for several years now.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

14. Have you seen any photos of the embassy?

I'd like to see what it looks like and pass it around to family and friends as a concrete example of Bush's idiocy.

[mom cat]

15. Not yet. I think that it is still in the phase of cost over runs.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

17. Ah, pre-construction cost overruns, even, huh? eom

On edit, from the website of the US Embassy in Iraq:


Travel Warning
United States Department of State
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, DC 20520


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This information is current as of today, Tue Nov 21 19:59:07 2006.

IRAQ
August 28, 2006

This Travel Warning updates the current security situation and reiterates the dangers of the use of civilian aircraft and road travel within Iraq. This supersedes the Travel Warning of December 29, 2005 and the Public Announcement dated March 24, 2006.
The Department of State continues to strongly warn U.S. citizens against travel to Iraq, which remains very dangerous. Remnants of the former Ba’ath regime, transnational terrorists, criminal elements and numerous insurgent groups remain active. Attacks against military and civilian targets throughout Iraq continue, including in the International (or “Green”) Zone. Targets include convoys en-route to venues, hotels, restaurants, police stations, checkpoints, foreign diplomatic missions, international organizations and other locations with expatriate personnel. These attacks have resulted in deaths and injuries of American citizens, including those doing humanitarian work. In addition, there have been planned and random killings, as well as extortions and kidnappings. U.S. citizens have been kidnapped and several were subsequently murdered by terrorists in Iraq. U.S. citizens and other foreigners continue to be targeted by insurgent groups and opportunistic criminals for kidnapping and murder. Military operations continue. There are daily attacks against Multinational Forces - Iraq (MNF-I), Iraqi Security Forces and Iraqi Police throughout the country.

There is credible information that terrorists are targeting civil aviation. Civilian and military aircraft arriving at and departing from Baghdad International Airport for other major cities in Iraq have been subjected to small arms and missiles. Civilian aircraft do not generally possess systems, such as those found on military aircraft, capable of defeating man-portable, surface-to-air missiles (MANPADS). Anyone choosing to utilize civilian aircraft to enter or depart or travel within Iraq should be aware of this potential threat, as well as the extremely high risk to road transportation described below. As a result of a recent security incident at the Baghdad International Airport (BIAP), the U.S. Embassy is prohibiting all U.S. government employees from departing BIAP on commercial airlines until further notice.

All vehicular travel in Iraq is extremely dangerous. There have been numerous attacks on civilian vehicles, as well as military convoys. Attacks occur throughout the day, but travel at night is exceptionally dangerous. Travel in or through Ramadi and Fallujah; in and between al-Hillah, al-Basrah, Kirkuk, and Baghdad; between the International Zone and Baghdad International Airport; and from Baghdad to Mosul is particularly dangerous.

Occasionally, U.S. Government personnel are prohibited from traveling to certain areas depending on prevailing security conditions. There continues to be heavy use of Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), (especially new-type Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFP), and/or mines on roads, concealed in plastic bags, boxes, soda cans, dead animals, and in other ways to blend with the road. Grenades and explosives have been thrown into vehicles from overpasses, particularly in crowded areas. Overland travel should be undertaken only when absolutely necessary and with the appropriate security.

The U.S. Embassy is located in the International Zone. The Embassy can provide only limited emergency services to U.S. citizens in Iraq. At present, travel to and from the International Zone is extremely limited. The U.S. Embassy does not provide visa services to the general public. American citizens who choose to visit or reside in Iraq despite this Travel Warning are urged to pay close attention to their personal security, avoid crowds, especially rallies or demonstrations, and to inform the U.S. Embassy of their presence in Iraq. All Americans in Baghdad are strongly encouraged to register with the Embassy at the following website: https://travelregistration.state.gov/ibrs/home.asp.

American citizens may obtain the latest security information or other information about Iraq by calling the U.S. Embassy, located in the International Zone, via landline at: 1-240-553-0584 x5340 or x5346, via Iraqna cellular phones at 07901-732-134 or 07901-168-383, via e-mail to [e-mail], or via the U.S. Embassy's website at http//iraq.usembassy.gov. The after-hours number in case of extreme emergency is 1-914-822-5493.

Updated information on travel and security in Iraq may be obtained from the Department of State by calling 1-888-407-4747 within the United States, or, from overseas, 1-202-501-4444. For further information, please consult the Consular Information Sheet for Iraq, the current Worldwide Caution and the Middle East and North Africa Public Announcements, all of which are available on the Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet website at http://travel.state.gov.

[grytpype]

3. I am so sick of this "chaos was the plan" bullshit.

Because it is bullshit. Chaos was not the plan. The plan was to make Iraq a friendly oil supplier and military base for us to rule the Middle East from. Now, it's neither. What's happening now is the Administration's worst nightmare.

I know Bush's cronies are making money on this, but they always make money, and they would have made tons more if they were pumping Iraq's oil and selling it on the open market.

And I know they planned to stay in Iraq indefinitely, but not like this -- not as a hated occupying force fighting for its life.

Try using some common sense.

[some guy]

5. Nicely stated.

Some seem to forget that the PNAC agenda drove the invasion of iraq, and that agenda had Iraq as the first country to be toppled, followed by Iran, Syria, and total dominance of the mid-east.

I think the other aspect which is over-looked is that Iraq isn't as much comparable to Vietnam as it is comparable to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

:(

[rateyes]

8. You are correct about that...

and, look at the end result for the Soviet Union because of the distraction of Afghanistan. It would not surprise me one bit to learn that the Soviets are supplying the insurgency in Iraq they way we did in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. Now, wouldn't that be a bite in the ass?

[The Count]

10. Agree. They screwed up. They really believed the cakewalk and the fact that

like Goering said, once victorious, no one would care anymore why the war was started in the first place. But they are losing, so the lies are coming back to bite them and all PNAC-ers are angry at W for spoiling their beautiful dream

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/18/AR2006111801076.html

Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush

while their base is coming apart.(THAT's why we overwhelmed the theft this past election - defections were not predicted)

[burythehatchet]

12. Get over it.

You don't
...disband an army with all their weapons
...leave ammo dumps unguarded
...lose record of 500,000 firearms

ON PURPOSE.

[CJCRANE]

19. Their only nightmare

is that the American people aren't happy with losing even just a few soldiers per day in a seemingly pointless war. Bush-Rumsfeld-Cheney seemed to think that they could just leave the occupation simmering in the background and persuade the MSM to ignore it.

[Martin Eden]

4. The permanent Green Zone

I don't believe the war's architects wanted a debacle in Iraq that elects a Democratic majority in congress and has so thoroughly discredited neoconservatism.

However, the author makes a good point about the permanence of our presence. How many in congress are actually calling for a COMPLETE withdrawal -- including from the GREEN ZONE? keeping a large embassy in the Green Zone means keeping troops to protect it means a continued military presence that will continue to prop up the government we installed.

Who thinks anyone in our government is contemplating a helicopter rooftop moment like '75 in Saigon?

I don't think anyone wants to see a situation where we can't even staff an embassy like we normally do in most countries, but the nature of our presence in the Green Zone is such that it can't easily be distinguished from the occupational force that attracts jihadists and sustains the insurgency.

What would a full redeployment consist of?

[grytpype]

6. Right, a permanent presence was always intended.

That is correct, but what was supposed to happen was, we would have as many troops there as we WANTED to have, not as many as we are FORCED to have to avoid total catastrophe.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. No prob. Before they come for my children, they had better deal

with Bush and the neo-cons who got us into this mess. We don't need their kind telling us what to do anymore and we'll have a better time finding allies after we show the world that we aren't any more happy with them. It will raise our credibility.

[understandinglife]

9. Whatever. And, irrelevant. "We the People ..." are ENDING the US occupation of Iraq.

That is the message of 7 November 2006, and it will be what 'We the People ...' make happen, whatever it takes.

We are getting America out of Iraq.

We are getting America out of the business of war of aggression.

We are going to apologize to the world

And, then we can begin being what most of us recognize is the legitimate version of the United States of America.

Period.

p.s. As for that wretched criminal Kissinger - who gives a shit what he has to say .....

[indepat]

11. Forever or at least until the readily harvestable oil reserves have been harvested (100B barrels)

mostly for the benefit of four of W and Dick's four major oil company buddies at a cost of trillions of taxpayer dollars. :D

[grasswire]

16. exactly

The goal was chaos because chaos = profit.

More chaos = more profit.

[Wilms]

18. Quite simply.

And sort of obvious from the get go. But some insane # of Americans supported it back then.