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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:23 PM
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More Farmers Seek Subsidies as U.S. Eats Imported Produce
FRESNO COUNTY, Calif. — For decades, the fiercely independent fruit and vegetable growers of California, Florida and other states have been the only farmers in America who shunned federal subsidies, delivering produce to the tables of millions of Americans on their own.

But now, in the face of tough new competition primarily from China, even these proud groups are buckling. Produce farmers, their hands newly outstretched, have joined forces for the first time, forming a lobby group intended to pressure politicians over the farm bill to be debated in Congress in January.

Nobody disputes that competitive pressures from abroad are squeezing fruit and vegetable growers, whose garlic, broccoli, lettuce, strawberries and other products are a mainstay of world kitchens. But the issue of whether the United States ought to broaden farm subsidies beyond the commodity crops like corn and cotton, which have historically been protected, is a big flashpoint.

“This is like the tectonic plates of farm policy shifting, because you have a completely new player coming in and demanding money,” said Kenneth A. Cook, president of Environmental Working Group, a research group in Washington that has been critical of farm subsidies, which are mandated by federal laws that date to the Great Depression.

Although some farmers may be suffering, American consumers have been big beneficiaries of cheap food imports. On the United States wholesale market, for example, Chinese garlic costs almost half the price of garlic that is grown domestically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/business/03farm.html?ei=5094&en=9937619938f1b815&hp=&ex=1165122000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:43 PM
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1. If we lose our farmers
we are in big trouble. Outsourcing jobs is bad enough. It should be a matter of national security that we can grow enough to feed our citizens.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:19 AM
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8. This is exactly the argument used by Japanese producers in the '80s
Back then the American government at the behest of American ranchers and farmers hammered the Japanese unmercifully over their agricultural subsidies, and their protectionist stance regarding rice, beef and fruit in particular.

The Japanese position was that various forms of protection against imports were needed in order to provide a stable livelihood for Japanese producers as well as to maintain at least a minimal degree of self-sufficiency in food products. The Americans rejected these arguments pretty much out of hand and forced Japan to make substantial concessions in terms of opening its markets. Now it seems that we are finding out what it's like to be on the other side of the issue. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander?
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:52 PM
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2. I have a real problem with the picture of American farmers
with their hands out to the government while we buy imports, and then pay the high price of trade imbalances. I come from a long line of farmers, and just don't understand why we are allowing foreign produce to ruin our own farmers. It can't be possible to import at cheaper rates unless by slave or near-slave labor. Do we condone that?

We have also used the farm subsidies far too long to subsidize people who have absolutely no agricultural interest in their land. People who happened to build a subdivision on formerly ag land, and then get government ag support. What the f*&) is that?

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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:10 PM
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3. I'm with you. nt
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:58 AM
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7. Agreed brer cat
maybe that is why the US is importing more produce because of farm subsidies.

It is all about money,why pay a farmer in the US a fair price, when you can get it cheaper in Chile, Taiwan, India, Argentina, Indonesia?
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:42 AM
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9. Don't blame the consumer (too much)
The consumer is eating the food that the corporations are placing on their table (so to speak). The bottom line and "free" trade rule the day.

It is time for a little protectionism to return.
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humus Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:50 PM
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4. lost footing on the land
"a people who are entirely lacking in economic self-determination,
either personal or local, and who are therefore entirely passive in
dealing with the suppliers of all their goods and services, including
political goods and services, cannot be governed democratically--or
not for long."
Wendell Berry

"And even today, against overpowering odds and prohibitive costs, one
does not have to go far in any part of the country to hear voiced the
old hopes that stirred millions of immigrants, freed slaves, westward
movers, young couples starting out: a little farm, a little shop, a
little store--some kind of place and enterprise of one's own, within
and by which one's family could achieve a proper measure of
independence, not only of economy, but of satisfaction, thought, and
character."
Wendell Berry


"We assume that we can have an exploitive, ruthlessly competitive,
profit-for-profit's-sake economy, and yet remain a God-fearing and a
democratic nation, as we still apparently think of ourselves. This
simply means that our highest principles and standards have no
practical force or influence, and are reduced merely to talk."
Berry

"...our country is not being destroyed by
bad politics, it is being destroyed by a bad way
of life. Bad politics is merely another result."
-- Wendell Berry (http://www.brtom.org/wb/berry.html)

"A change of heart or of values without a practice is only another
pointless luxury of a passively consumptive way of life."
-- Wendell Berry in "The Idea of a Local Economy"

It is, in every way, in the best interest of urban consumers to be
surrounded by productive land, well farmed and well maintained by
thriving farm families in thriving farm communities.
Wendell Berry

Our national political leaders do not know what we are talking about,
and they are without the local affections and allegiances that would
permit them to learn what we are talking about.
Wendell Berry

The message is plain enough, and we have ignored it for too long:
the great, centralized economic entities of our time do not come into
rural places in order to improve them by "creating jobs." They come
to take as much of value as they can take, as cheaply and as quickly
as they can take it. They are interested in "job creation" only so
long as the jobs can be done more cheaply by humans than by
machines. They are not interested in good health--economic or
natural or human--of any place on this earth.
Wendell Berry

...if you should undertake to appeal or complain to one of these great
corporations on behalf of your community, you would discover something
most remarkable: you would find that these organizations are organized
expressly for the evasion of responsibility. They are structures in
which, as my brother says, "the buck never stops." The buck is
processed up the hierarchy until finally it is passed to "the
shareholders," who characteristically are too widely dispersed, too
poorly informed, and too unconcerned to be responsible for anything.
The ideal of the modern corporation is to be (in terms of its own
advantage) anywhere and (in terms of local accountability) nowehere.
Wendell Berry

We are now pretty obviously facing the possibility of a world that the
supranational corporations, and the governments and educational
systems that serve them, will control entirely for their own
enrichment--and, incidentally and inescapably, for the impoverishment
of all the rest of us.
Wendell Berry

We can't go on too much longer, maybe, without considering the
likelihood that we humans are not intelligent enough to work on the
scale to which we have been tempted by our technological abilities.
Wendell Berry

...the neighborhood, the local community, is the proper place and
frame of reference for responsible work.
Wendell Berry

...contrary to all the unmeaning and unmeant political talk about "job
creation," work ought not to be merely a bone thrown to the otherwise
unemployed...work ought to be necessary; it ought to be good; it ought
to be satisfying and dignifying to the people who do it, and genuinely
useful and pleasing to the people for whom it is done.
Wendell Berry

Biotechnology, variety patenting, and other agribusiness innovations
are intended not to help farmers or consumers but to extend and
prolong corporate control of the food economy; they will increase the
cost of food, both economically and ecologically.
Wendell Berry

What we have before us, if we want our communities to survive, is the
building of an adversary economy, a system of local or community
economies within, and to protect against, the would-be global economy.
Wendell Berry

From now on we should disbelieve that any corporation ever comes to
any rural place to do it good, to "create jobs," or to bring to the
local people the benefits of the so-called free market.
Wendell Berry

Our mistreatment of children is not mitigated by our interest in
"reforming" the institutions into which we put them. We will not have
better children by having better day care centers, schools, and jails.
Wendell Berry

Nothing is more pleasing or heartening than a plate of nourishing,
tasty, beautiful food artfully and lovingly prepared. Anything less
is unhealthy, as well as a desecration.
Wendell Berry

It is certain, I think, that the best government is the one that
governs least. But there is a much-neglected corollary: the best
citizen is the one who least needs governing. The answer to big
government is not private freedom, but private responsibility.
-Wendell Berry, "The Loss of the Future" in The Long-Legged House
(1969),

To put the bounty and the health of our land,
our only commonwealth, into the hands of people
who do not live on it and share its fate
will always be an error.
For whatever determines the fortune of the land
determines also the fortune of the people.
If history teaches anything, it teaches that.
--Wendell Berry

To cherish what remains of the Earth and to foster its renewal is our only legitimate hope of survival.

- Wendell Berry
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:56 PM
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5. this Wendell Berry guy seems like a very smart man...
tell us more.


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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:00 AM
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6. Thanks.
good time of year to revisit Wendell Berry.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:48 AM
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10. we arent eating our fruits and veggies because they taste like crap
Fruits and veggies in the supermarket are tasteless. No way that these things have any taste when they come from China. They just dont have the freshness.

I have stopped buying most of my produce from supermarkets. I buy from a CSA or farmers market in season and freeze or can stuff for the winter. I also start eating more root vegetables in the fall and winter.

My MIL had stopped eating fruits and vegetables and was living on Ensure and sweets until she stayed with us for a while. After eating fresh fruits and veggies, she went out on her own hunt for farmers markets.

This part of the reason why diabetes and obesity are on the upswing. If you are going to make the tasteless taste good, you add fat. People dont want to eat this crap. The kids are right to spurn the tasteless; they just replace it with fat and sugar.

Also, does anyone else realize how crappy fish is in the supermarket? Shrimp is almost tasteless. The Vietnamese/Chinese/3rd World shrimp tastes icky. Fish at Acme stinks.
The middle man is making a fortune off imported food.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:58 AM
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11. Local is the way to go
Agribusiness has decided that our fruit and veggies need to travel well and flavor is hardly even a consideration. Doesn't matter whether the stuff comes from Mexico, China, or SoCal. Supermarket tomatoes and iceberg lettuce are the two most obvious examples, and when was the last time you found a truly ripe avocado? Options there seem to be baseball hard, or soft and half rotten. As for shrimp, (and increasingly salmon) it's almost all farm-raised under conditions we probably don't want to dwell on.

I'm with you. Buy local when possible, and if its organic so much the better. You not only get real food, but you are supporting your local economy. And if protection is needed, provide it for people who make a living growing the good stuff and screw ADM and ConAgra.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:15 PM
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12. As for shrimp and salmon, look on the internet
Some of the fishermen are going direct. The prices are supermarket prices or slightly higher; but it makes a world of difference. You just have to find a good supplier.

I find I can keep my weight under control when I pay a little more per/pound and eat more well rounded meals. At the end of the month, I am spending about the same on food because I dont want junk to doll it up with. Fresh fish requires remarkably little prep. You can just throw it in a pan, sprinkle with lemon and bake it or steam it.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:34 PM
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13. For a sure supply of clean food, check out Community Supported Agriculture
Good for you and your family, good for your community, good for the earth...

http://www.chiron-communications.com/farms.html

Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) offers a way for every human being to be directly involved in the care and healing of the earth, while also ensuring a supply of clean, healthy food for their families and their neighbors.


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